Hi guys,
I wanted to ask if there are plans to offer Mikrotik Hardware with integrated or even discrete VDSL/DSL Modem in the future? I am very confident there is a market for such a product, since there are many people that do need a full blown router but only need the Modem portion.
Currently it is impossible to get robust and simple devices that only provide Modem functionality.
Thanks
It is unclear to me why people who need only a modem and no fullblown router would buy from MikroTik, who focus
on fullblown routers.
However, I do see some use of a MikroTik router like the RB2011 or RB3011 but with built-in VDSL modem.
How large such a market would be I cannot estimate… often internet providers include a limited functionality
modem/NAT-router with their subscription so lots of people would not want to spend money again even if they
get better routing.
The Draytek Vigor 130 is a separate VDSL modem. I use one with my RB2011 to connect to internet. It can
bridge the VDSL connection (straight or PPPoE) over to the MikroTik router where I terminate it with a PPPoE
interface.
Everything in one box would be nice, however there is a lot of expertise in VDSL modems and it may be that
a new company entering that market will have a somewhat long learning experience before the performance
is up to par with the current players.
An integrated VDSL modem in mikrotik products would be useless for 90% of providers. Most providers nowdays use a 802.1x certificate for authentication. The authentication certificate renders an aftermarket modem useless as it is provided on the modem by the ISP.
In the UK FTTC delivered over VDSL is no longer supplied with a modem.
Its up to the user to provide their own.
So a MikroTIk with builtin adsl/vdsl modem, or even a simple 1port modem would be great.
Nick
topic previously discussed many times on the forum.
i think integrated mikrotik dsl modem on some routers would have been great on 2008 year when dsl was on rise
2016 year
optical fiber is on rise, because that mikrotik has released the gpon sfp module.
i think its too late to invest R&D resources on dsl technologies
A VDSL modem as an SFP module would be the nicest. However, it may be too small to fit it in there.
Maybe an SFP module and a short cable to a small external box with some of the components and the RJ-11 connector?
It would enable the use of VDSL with some different MikroTik products without yet another power supply.
+1
I want to get rid of ISP bridged VDSL modem 
Or just a small black box with RJ11 on one side and RJ45 on other side (PoE powered) 
I think the question of the market for DSL really depends on where you are in the world. In smaller countries, fiber is much easier to roll out and connect than it is in a larger country and the demand for DSL is low.
DSL in North America is still heavily utilized in the US, Canada and Mexico and probably will be for another 10 to 15 years because there is so much area to cover. Contrast that with a country like Latvia which is very well connected via fiber and has almost no DSL because the land area and cost is much smaller.
In fact, I had a conversation with several of the MT guys at the US MUM last year and the reason MikroTik heavily uses Ethernet in its products is due to the state of IP networking in Latvia around the time MikroTik started developing hardware in the early 2000s. Apparently after the fall of the Soviet Union, Latvia started investing in its telecommunications infrastructure and Ethernet was used to connect most of the country and DSL was not really used at all.
DSL is still heavily developed and they just reached 10 gig speeds on DSL last year:
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/04/bell-labs-shows-off-10-gigabit-dsl/
There is so much engineering that has to go into the modem side of xDSL technologies, i don’t think MT sees a huge amount of value in entering a market that already has a very diverse field of competitors.
Using an external bridged modem never bothered us much, but what we (a phone company) wanted was an FXS interface or two for analog line delivery, but it’s understandable why Mikrotik wouldn’t support such a thing. Honestly, I’d rather they spend more time shoring up and advancing the features they already have than entering yet another hardware branch, especially one as radically different as DSL.
I agree, that is why I think it might be an idea to have DSL as an SFP module, just like is done with GPON.
However, those GPON modules are relabeled devices bought elsewhere, and I don’t know if a VDSL module like that exists on the market.
Telephone: I am using a cheap (Grandstream) IP phone which connects directly on ethernet. No need for FXS port…
judging from g.fast generations performance and alikes - i think copper still serve LOOONG time, atleast for last 150m-400m-1km “last mile” :=)
same bout DOCSIS 3.1 and other legacy things :=)
ana R&D and improvements and standardization - keep flowing, albeit slower
I was looking for the VDSL2 SFP solution so I could use MT as my condo and apartment solution.
This is the only thing I could find.
I am about to use the Draytek Vigor 130 VDSL modem now. As suggested by pe1chl (thanks). As of today it runs very well, robust and stable…
We use the VC-231 VDSL2 modems. They can be paired to form a bridge with one side set in CO node. Very nice when you don’t need a 8 to 24 port DSLAM.
An ADSL/VDSL SFP is indeed possible.
Metanoia make a chipset and have a reference design specifically for this application.
http://www.metanoia-comm.com/product_d.php?id=21
This would be an easy way for Mikrotik to add DSL support to existing products such as the RB, CCR and CRS.
Email sales@mikrotik.com and let them know if such a product interests you.
Nice find dude! I would definitely order some of these SFP VDSL modules!
They have 3 types of chip sets. Two of them can operate in CPE or CO mode. I don’t think the SFP can do CO mode. Not a deal killer but would be nice if it would do CO mode. I could use a 24 port SFP cage switch and mix and match modules, VDSL2, Fiber and Ethernet. I would use the RB’s with SFP ports for my customer side.
That’s an amazing find! Do you know of any suppliers that actually sell one of these SFP modules or have them planned?
Metanoia only make the chipset. These are then used by the likes of Huawei, Planet and TP-Link in products that ship.
The best thing you can do is email Mikrotik sales at the above address and let them know this is a product you would buy.
Ideally Mikrotik will sell SFP using this chipset and add support to RouterOS for it. This is required to set the DSL options and monitor the line stats via the SFP modules I2C interface.
Hi all,
As Nick suggested a discrete VDSL type module would be great now that BT have stopped supplying VDSL modems in the UK for their FTTC services. Lots of ISPs in the UK have been using MikroTik for MPLS network installations, I’m sure this business will stop rapidly if they can no longer supply a single unit to site.
Perhaps SFP module for VDSL/VDSL2 support?
Thanks
Pete.