Do you mean the unnecessary packages in RouterOS, in OpenWRT or both?remove all the unnecessary packages can bring down the crash numbers a lot. Just think what packages you need and ones you can do without.
I normally use the TW-AC24-10 Power Supply 24V 1.0A EU.And it is not PSU related, it just requires good one, as any other device.
I believe that is the problem - most of us could not get 2 weeks of uptime with MR running.if i have metarouter with uptime of more than 2 weeks, and only reason why it is not higher is version updates. Then why not?
I'm have the same problem on a RG450G did try 4.17 then 5.0rc11 and now 5.0 stable, still reboots. And also writes the same in the logs as you have.Another case where MR would be useful came up yesterday. This time with brand new RB493G and ROS 4.17 (I understood that it was mostly RB450G with problems, so why not). And really, it was much better. Except for one strange MR lockup at the beginning (I pretended that I didn't see it), it appeared stable. There were no other problems for the whole time I was playing with it (around three hours). Then I left it running. Today I connected to host router again and oops, there was reboot by watchdog timer in the log. I talked to colleague who was sitting near the router and he said it was beeping (= rebooting) the whole day. Great. So I upgraded ROS to 5.0rc11, just to lose all hope, when first reboot came two minutes after starting MR. The only difference is that instead of "watchdog timer" the reason is now called "cause 1". The router is going to production use tomorrow, without MR of course. I don't have the nerve to explain to customer, that everything under fifty reboots a day is ok.
Thank you for your answer! Disabling unneeded packages does indeed seem to help.remove all the unnecessary packages can bring down the crash numbers a lot. Just think what packages you need and ones you can do without. And it is not PSU related, it just requires good one, as any other device.
My uptime in OpenWRT is now 20 hours with heavy load (infinite loop bash script) for at least 5 of those hours. There has been one freeze lasting about 10 minutes, with the host and guest becoming responsive at the same time and without anything in the error logs of either. There has also been two instances of the guest not responding for a very short time (less than 10 seconds), I guess that could be the kind if 6 second freeze you refer to.idea is to monitor host 450G from outside and from guest, to see freezes happen internally too, as it is not clear yet. that is, if it is possible to reaech host system from guest when from outside there are no response (6second freeze as i see them)
Im get caught too, by buing RB450G for virtualization.not all boards has this problem with metarouter. And yes there will be a fix for the issue eventually.
What routerboards actually work consistently with metarouter? Any model I have ever tried it on is unstable.not all boards has this problem with metarouter. And yes there will be a fix for the issue eventually.
i have running RB433AH, RB1000, RB800 on my table that are not rebooting. All of them have at least one metarouter guest running that is RouterOS. Also, all have 32MB of RAM assigned, since 16MB with all packages installed is not enough.
What routerboards actually work consistently with metarouter? Any model I have ever tried it on is unstable.
I had to move to RB800 too from R450G - i needed to run two metarouters - RouterOS , RB450G keeps rebooting after 15 - 20 mins, no autosupout or any other output. Tryed V4.17 and few V5.x before 5.3i have running RB433AH, RB1000, RB800 on my table that are not rebooting. All of them have at least one metarouter guest running that is RouterOS. Also, all have 32MB of RAM assigned, since 16MB with all packages installed is not enough.
What routerboards actually work consistently with metarouter? Any model I have ever tried it on is unstable.
i have running RB433AH, RB1000, RB800 on my table that are not rebooting. All of them have at least one metarouter guest running that is RouterOS. Also, all have 32MB of RAM assigned, since 16MB with all packages installed is not enough.
What routerboards actually work consistently with metarouter? Any model I have ever tried it on is unstable.
my advice is to read carefully . RB433AH have the same CPU but does not have same MetaROUTER problem.your advice is to buy another board with same problem
/metarouter add name=mr1 memory=32
/interface virtual-ethernet add
/metarouter interface add virtual-machine=mr1 type=static static-interface=ether5
/metarouter interface add virtual-machine=mr1 type=static static-interface=ether1
[admin@450G-2] > sy resource print
uptime: 3h57m29s
version: 5.6
free-memory: 207336KiB
total-memory: 257120KiB
cpu: MIPS 24Kc V7.4
cpu-count: 1
cpu-frequency: 680MHz
cpu-load: 4%
free-hdd-space: 464132KiB
total-hdd-space: 520192KiB
write-sect-since-reboot: 132
write-sect-total: 1324790
bad-blocks: 1.5%
architecture-name: mipsbe
board-name: RB450G
platform: MikroTik
after reading this in the morning i set up RB450G with metarouter configured as follows:
connected ether5 with ether1 using wire.Code: Select all/metarouter add name=mr1 memory=32 /interface virtual-ethernet add /metarouter interface add virtual-machine=mr1 type=static static-interface=ether5 /metarouter interface add virtual-machine=mr1 type=static static-interface=ether1
pinging the hosts (since host is one that do not respond. (looking at max RTT since packets could stay in hosts receive buffer and the replied when router unfreezes)Code: Select all[admin@450G-2] > sy resource print uptime: 3h57m29s version: 5.6 free-memory: 207336KiB total-memory: 257120KiB cpu: MIPS 24Kc V7.4 cpu-count: 1 cpu-frequency: 680MHz cpu-load: 4% free-hdd-space: 464132KiB total-hdd-space: 520192KiB write-sect-since-reboot: 132 write-sect-total: 1324790 bad-blocks: 1.5% architecture-name: mipsbe board-name: RB450G platform: MikroTik
no problems yet
will leave for some time.
edit: it was not crashing with metarouter running w/o interfaces for some time w/o crashing as described. Also, i have OSPF running on the router.
I've come to the same conclusion...The only thing i wanted it to do, was run metarouters, but stacking RB750 seems to be a better idea...
[admin@450G-2] > sy resource print
uptime: 1w6d1m55s
version: 5.6
free-memory: 207392KiB
total-memory: 257120KiB
cpu: MIPS 24Kc V7.4
cpu-count: 1
cpu-frequency: 680MHz
cpu-load: 4%
free-hdd-space: 464132KiB
total-hdd-space: 520192KiB
write-sect-since-reboot: 419
write-sect-total: 1325077
bad-blocks: 1.5%
architecture-name: mipsbe
board-name: RB450G
platform: MikroTik
[admin@450G-2] > sy package print
Flags: X - disabled
# NAME VERSION SCHEDULED
0 system 5.6
1 hotspot 5.6
2 routerboard 5.6
3 ipv6 5.6
4 ppp 5.6
5 security 5.6
6 mpls 5.6
7 wireless 5.6
8 advanced-tools 5.6
9 option 5.6
10 routing 5.6
11 ntp 5.6
12 dhcp 5.6
[admin@450G-2] > metarouter print
Flags: X - disabled
# NAME MEMORY-SIZE DISK-SIZE USED-DISK STATE
0 mr1 32MiB unlimited 277kiB running
[admin@450G-2] > metarouter interface print
Flags: X - disabled, A - active
# VIRTUAL-MACHINE TYPE STATIC-INTERFACE VM-MAC-ADDRESS
0 A mr1 static ether5 02:1B:7E:B1:B7:E2
1 A mr1 static vif1 02:16:16:90:EF:0E
[admin@450G-2] > interface virtual-ethernet print
Flags: X - disabled, R - running
# NAME MTU ARP MAC-ADDRESS
0 R vif1 1500 enabled 02:8B:7B:3C:33:B0
[admin@MikroTik] > sy resource print
uptime: 1w6d6m18s
version: 5.6
free-memory: 20776KiB
total-memory: 29708KiB
cpu: MIPS 4Kc V0.10
cpu-count: 1
cpu-frequency: 680MHz
cpu-load: 1%
free-hdd-space: 464128KiB
total-hdd-space: 464405KiB
write-sect-since-reboot: 0
write-sect-total: 0
bad-blocks: 0%
architecture-name: mipsbe
board-name: RB MetaROUTER
platform: MikroTik
[admin@MikroTik] > interface print
Flags: D - dynamic, X - disabled, R - running, S - slave
# NAME TYPE MTU L2MTU MAX-L2MTU
0 R ether1 ether 1500
1 R ether2 ether 1500
10.5.45.5 56 63 0ms
10.5.45.5 56 63 1ms
10.5.45.5 56 63 0ms
10.5.45.5 56 63 0ms
10.5.45.5 56 63 0ms
10.5.45.5 56 63 0ms
10.5.45.5 56 63 0ms
10.5.45.5 56 63 0ms
10.5.45.5 56 63 1ms
10.5.45.5 56 63 0ms
10.5.45.5 56 63 0ms
10.5.45.5 56 63 0ms
10.5.45.5 56 63 0ms
10.5.45.5 56 63 0ms
10.5.45.5 56 63 0ms
10.5.45.5 56 63 1ms
10.5.45.5 56 63 0ms
10.5.45.5 56 63 0ms
10.5.45.5 56 63 0ms
10.5.45.5 56 63 0ms
sent=80 received=80 packet-loss=0% min-rtt=0ms avg-rtt=0ms max-rtt=2ms
all i did was report back to persons interested on how the test is going. Obviously - bad. Problem did not manifest it self, but it should have done that. At least i was hoping for that to happen.You can't seriously try to tell us that there's nothing wrong.
[admin@450G-2] /interface ethernet switch> print
Flags: I - invalid
# NAME TYPE MIRROR-SOURCE MIRROR-TARGET SWITCH-ALL-PORTS
0 switch1 Atheros-8316 none none yes
Did just change mine from "yes" to "no" and has been running fine for about 5mins now (4½min longer than last test).set to switch-all-ports=no lets wait for the results.
if you set to switch all ports=yes, do the problem stop for you?
edit: left running and sending ping requests to the router. will leave it for the night.
Mine did run for 7hours! then the dude told me that is was down, then 2mins later it was up again.nope, died on me after 2 hours
/metarouter
add disabled=no disk-size=32000kiB memory-size=32MiB name=chaos
add disabled=no disk-size=32000kiB memory-size=32MiB name=chaos2
/metarouter interface
add disabled=no dynamic-bridge=none dynamic-mac-address=02:1B:7E:B1:B7:E2 \
type=dynamic virtual-machine=chaos vm-mac-address=02:45:5F:D0:20:B1
add disabled=no dynamic-bridge=none dynamic-mac-address=02:52:9C:ED:DC:EF \
type=dynamic virtual-machine=chaos2 vm-mac-address=02:A7:68:6A:E4:9B
/ip address
add address=192.168.101.1/24 disabled=no interface=vif1 network=192.168.101.0
add address=192.168.102.1/24 disabled=no interface=vif2 network=192.168.102.0
/system package print
Flags: X - disabled
# NAME VERSION SCHEDULED
0 routeros-mipsbe 5.6
1 X ipv6 5.6
2 system 5.6
3 mpls 5.6
4 X hotspot 5.6
5 X wireless 5.6
6 routerboard 5.6
7 advanced-tools 5.6
8 security 5.6
9 ppp 5.6
10 routing 5.6
11 dhcp 5.6
12 ntp 5.6
Your devs forgot to include the AR7116 in the JTAG scan chain on the RB450G?That is thanks to new board that has similar structure as RB450G where debug mode or MetaROUTER can be monitored (it cannot be done or RB450G).
just stop spamming the forums.Unfortunately, who is in charge in solving the problem has no interest
If people are asking for progress and we don't get any answer, why would you characterize my comments as spam?just stop spamming the forums.Unfortunately, who is in charge in solving the problem has no interest
send that supout.rif to support.It doesn't stable even with routeros virtualized. Crashed after 10 mins with router reboot. metarouter-fs used 40-80% of cpu first 3 mins. I have autosupout.rif file, but i can't find enything useful in it.
UPD: looks like it working after reboot.
Is this problem isolated to MIPSBE or all BE processors? LE architectures do not have the problem?I can only repeat and clarify what I said in earlier posts:
The whole MIPSBE series should be considered unusable in combination with Metarouter.
Especially with the information available from MT and the fact that they aren't capable of fixing this problem in such a long time.
@MT:
This is not intended as pun, just as a warning to everyone planing on using Metarouter on MIPSBE based MT boards.
And don't start repeating that Metarouter is stable on "some" MIPSBE boards, this is just plain luck and might change with every change/release you make.
YesWhat he meant where LE architectures in general, not necessarily MIPS-LE, I guess.
Interesting. I did not know le, and in particular x86, doesn't support metarouter! This saves me a hard lesson.le, is x86 and mipsle, both of the does not have MetaROUTER.
But we don't, because the machine crashes hard.P.S. if we only had access to more verbose logs...
I just use MikroTik/ROS for testing and home usage and gave up all planned and realized productive installations.
I couldn't agree moreunfortunately, we already paid for mikrotik board, so why are you wondering about no support...?
this isn`t good way to atract new customers, shame on you MT. i bought RB450G, it was my first and last product from you.
It's not just the MIPSBE, I have the same behavior with PPC platform, RB1000 and RB1100AH tested.I guess you only could try yourself, there is extremely less feedback on Metarouters altogether.
And, without wanting to bash MT, there seems to be no clear understanding of the cause on MIPSBE, so every MIPSBE based board should be viewed as affected. Even a small software update might tip those boards over the edge.
I have a support ticket that you are familiar with.what configuration you have? All problems about MR on PPC routers was resolved by adjusting configuration
Can you elaborate on this? What specific configuration changes resolve MR issues on PPC routers?what configuration you have? All problems about MR on PPC routers was resolved by adjusting configuration
Timberwolf, so your opinion is not to use MR at all, at least not until a stable version is available?Just don't configure anything and everything will be almost fine.
Yes, that is exactly my opinion.Timberwolf, so your opinion is not to use MR at all, at least not until a stable version is available?
So, your saying MR in general on all platforms including PPC platform?Yes, that is exactly my opinion.Timberwolf, so your opinion is not to use MR at all, at least not until a stable version is available?
And my impression is, that this will be never.
Tweaking your configuration until the system runs stable isn't a solution.
So, your saying MR in general on all platforms including PPC platform?
And you're not agree on the statement? :
http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php ... 11#p301963
No. I would like to think that this configuration might be usable, but I am unwilling to take the risk.Do you have any experience of ROS x86 KVM stability?
Totally agree on this.Tweaking your configuration until the system runs stable isn't a solution.
At best that's a workarround and nothing you let your customers play with.
I will setup an x86 appliance for heavy tests the KVM.No. I would like to think that this configuration might be usable, but I am unwilling to take the risk.
Some results, or to be more precise, different config settings between MetaROUTER and KVM.good, waiting for your results.
If I create the same configuration in MR with a bridge between a physical and virtual and the vif attached to the guest, all interfaces stops responding.
Maybe ... However, with a 12 volt transformer PSU 450G uptime for over 5 days. However, I did not banished tests this time, but with a 24 volt PSU uptime does not exceed several hours even under no load.the frequency of reboots of the board is not connected to PSU in any way, of course, board has to have enough resources. It was tested at full CPU load.
OpenWRT is heavily patched to run on MetaRouter. I seriously doubt you can get anything to run without heavy modifications, e.g. full paravirtualization.If I create the same configuration in MR with a bridge between a physical and virtual and the vif attached to the guest, all interfaces stops responding.
this one is interesting, now if you could give full configuration of the "same" configuration would be nice (to avoid confusions. That is mipsbe router?)
when you assign physical interface to MR tap interface is tapped into the physical interface well before a lot of stuff that works with packets in RouterOS. There are some services that can get packets on the host from that interface, but could not work around that. In KVM that is not possible. When transmit happens from MR packets are put into interface send buffer and interface just sends them out (as it usually does, as interface only concern is OSI Layer1)
MetaROUTER is not just ROS emulation, as it is possible to have OpenWRT and, as some reports say, debian running as guests. Similar to KVM, MR requires CPU virtualization support.
RouterBOARD routers will not have Virtual Ethernet tab, instead use filtering to filter out virtual interfaces if you have a lot of interfaces on the router.
all questions are delivered to MetaROUTER devsI wonder, if by any chance, one of the MetaRouter developers could chime in here and contribute something usefull or at least interesting...
No, only four active link and a regular on an Internet surfing. But even in this mode with 24V PSU uptime does not exceed several hours.
"Native" 24V PSU tried two things - with both equally unstable.
p.s. It is still checking PSU. Ahead - a study with an oscilloscope. ))
As you can read from my previous posts, the MR aren't useful in any platform.
1. Does this problem deal with only DDWRT or ROS Virtual machine too?
2. How it works on PPC architecture?
3. What device is the most stable for runing MR wit ROS Image? How long uptime they have?