Hi
can I use CCR1072-1G-8S+ for BGP instead of Cisco ASR 1000?
The Mix technical suggests me Cisco but can we compare it with new ccr mikrotik?
thanks

Both CCR and Cisco supports BGP. Other than that there are not enough info.

It really depends on what your use case requirements are. If you plan to use the CCR1072 to peer with an ISP and take a full BGP table, then it can easily perform that task. Also, if the intent is to use it for a BGP based private MPLS cloud, the CCR1072 would work well as an aggregation router at a data center.

Here is some BGP testing we did on the 1072 (with some comparisons to Cisco ASRs) at http://www.stubarea51.net

http://www.stubarea51.net/2015/07/25/mi ... rformance/

As far as which ASR to compare it to, it depends on whether you are looking at physical form factor or throughput.

Form factor - The CCR1072-1G-8S+ is comparable to an ASR 1001
Throughput - The CCR1072-1G-8S+ is comparable to an ASR 1006

take in count are multiple versions of ASR

ASR1001 has a second version, the ASR1001 X which can be more powerful with licenses

ASR1002 F its less powerful even than ASR1001, ASR1002F has the lower throughput of all ASR1000 line

ASR1002X its more powerful than ASR1001X with licenses as well

take in mind to compare the ASR1004/1006 to other equipment because its modular and can equip a services processor from 10gbps to 100gbps of throughput

take in count in some 1001 and 1002 the throughput its limited by licenses for example asr 1001 X can be licensed from 2.5 gbps to 20 gbps, and 1002 X can be licensed from 5 gbps to 36 gbps

http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/c ... 31640.html

I think CCR1009 can be comparable in performance with ISR4431
I think CCR1016 can be comparable in performance with ISR4451X or ASR1002F
I think CCR1036 can be comparable in performance with ASR1001 5g or ASR1002 5g
I think CCR1072 can be comparable in performance with ASR1001X 10g or ASR1002 10g or ASR1002X 10g or ASR1004 10g or ASR1006 10g

I think for some specific scenarios CCR1072 can even achieve the throughput of ASR1001X 20g, ASR1004/1006 20g or even the ASR1004/1006 40g with a light configuration because the 20g and 40g esp on ASR have the same mpps throughput

All depends from scenario of the implementation

All good points
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But if you are comparing it just on the basis of throughput, from factor and BGP, then I stand by the 1001 and 1006 comparisons (and their X models) having deployed both of those types of Cisco routers in large datacenter deployments recently as well as their MikroTik counterparts.

It's certainly true you can't compare every feature as well slot and supervisor redundancy on a Cisco ASR, 6500 or 7600 with a CCR 1036 or 1072, but if you only need certain features, then it's not too hard to make the comparison.

Very rarely do we see features deployed in Cisco that can't be replicated in MikroTik (Which isn't to say that Cisco doesn't have a bunch of them) The only ones I can think of that we typically have to use a different vendor for is something like VSS in the 4500/6500 family and VPC/VDC in the Nexus Family. That functionality can typically be handed off to a non-Cisco stackable L3 switch.

Here is a recent performance test we did where we hit 80 Gbps on the CCR1072...

http://www.stubarea51.net/2015/10/09/mi ... t-testing/

Dear experts,

I have read that one of person is using this router for his PPPOE connection and as per him provided stats he is running 30,000 PPPOE customers on CCR1072-1G-8S+

What i want to know is this router also capability to run PPTP customer where each client have 1Mbps PPTP tunnel connection along with PCQ or Simple Queue.
Than how many client are supported in CCR1072-1G-8S+ and what is total throughput with PPTP connections


Reference URL is below where 30000 PPPOE connections are connected. http://www.stubarea51.net/2015/10/23/mi ... nd-queues/

We are considering buying 2 of these CCR1072-1G-8S+ for our co-location BGP and replace our old servers running vyatta.

I've read through the BGP tests on http://www.stubarea51.net and it looks impressive, my only concern is regarding the reliability and stability of this unit. A number of people have told us to stay away from the CCR's because of hardware/software issues relating to random reboots, or locking up. We need a 100% uptime solution and will run 2 of these, but my questions are:

- How reliable are the CCR units in a co-location environment doing BGP?
- How stable is the RouterOS running on the CCR's?
- How reliable are the Mikrotik SFP modules?
- How are these units as far as uptime goes? Our existing vyatta routers have never crashed in 5 years.

I guess my question is, if we are going to be investing in two CCR1072-1G-8S+ units, am I going to be buying a white elephant that I am going to regret in 6 months to a year's time?

Murmaider

We are happy with the stability of the CCR units on RouterOS 6.19 and later.

We are using them in a variety of high throughput scenarios and they have been solid.

We also have quite a few CCRs deployed, and have not had issues.

If you know what you are doing, and doing everything properly (test config changes and version upgrades in a lab before going live), you should not have issues.

You will find that many people that complain either dont know what they are doing (RouterOS is very complex), or simply dont follow industry standard best practices regarding config management, change management and acceptance, and maintenance management.

Agree with everything that NZ_Monkey and Tomaskir said....

Having said that, here are a few thoughts on 100% uptime in general

1) It rarely happens with any network vendor. Over the last 20 years of my IT career, i've designed and implemented networks that use some of the most expensive gear that Cisco has to offer with the build cost going into the tens of millions of dollars and we still had all of the following issues you mentioned which were:

hardware/software issues relating to random reboots, or locking up

You would think the software in Cisco's most expensive data center core switches or large service provider routers would be so rock solid that catastrophic bugs couldn't take down an entire data center or service provider core, sadly this isn't the case. The reality is that all network vendors have bugs that must be worked through and there is a definite process you must follow as a network engineer in code selection and testing in your environment if you want to be successful.

Here is in example from the Cisco Nexus 7K line which we deal with extensively and is one of the most prevalent data center network core switches in the world. This is the kind of equipment you will find in Amazon, Google, Facebook, Etc.

CSCum01502
Symptoms: A Cisco Nexus 7000 Series switch running Cisco NX-OS Release 6.1(1) reboots due to a netstack HAP reset.
Conditions: This symptom has no known triggers.

I've been up in the middle of the night to go deal with catastrophic outages due to Cisco bugs twice as often as I do with MikroTik. Take a look at the resolved caveats in the code below to see just how many bugs there really are in code developed by a large network vendor like Cisco.

Reference:
http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/sw ... fId-989578


2) Trying to reach 100% uptime has far more to do with network design and planning than reliance on the code of a single piece of equipment. Eliminating single points of failure both physically and logically is a must. Every feature that is turned on increases the risk of a bug being discovered. When we plan large scale data center or service provider networks, there a risk assessment we typically do to see if the benefit of turning a feature on (like policy routing for example) is worth the risk of introducing or uncovering an unknown bug into the system and destabilizing the network.

3) The CCR series in general has been through a large amount of development in the last 2 to 3 years and is now an extremely stable platform. There are certainly bugs that exist and will continue to be fixed but MikroTik has made a great move recently by introducing a new code development cycle that introduces a bugfix version which is the most stable version of code and does not introduce new features which have the ability to cause unintended issues and bugs.

Here is an overview of the changes in MikroTik code development which have increased stability on CCRs.

http://www.stubarea51.net/2015/08/04/mi ... ent-cycle/

Response further below... Moderator took very long to publish my reply.

Dear Experts,

Please respond.

Thanks IPANetEngineer for the comprehensive and reassuring response.

It's nice to see someone with so much experience responding to questions like mine, it's much appreciated.
I've read through a lot of the articles on http://www.stubarea51.net - very awesome site I must say!

I agree with you about 100% uptime, it's not realistic, but it's a goal we set ourselves.
As for features, we have a simple network of BGP & OSPF and use the philosophy of "Simple solutions have simple problems, complex solutions have complex problems".

I been trying to find some documentation on connecting SFP+ uplink to a switch that has a SFP uplink.
So CCR1072-1G-8S+ with SFP+ transceiver -------------- Fiber --------------- HP Switch with SFP transceiver.
In my mind it should be possible the same as it works with ethernet, but would you perhaps be able to confirm this?

Thanks IPANetEngineer for the comprehensive and reassuring response.

It's nice to see someone with so much experience responding to questions like mine, it's much appreciated.
I've read through a lot of the articles on http://www.stubarea51.net - very awesome site I must say!

I agree with you about 100% uptime, it's not realistic, but it's a goal we set ourselves.
As for features, we have a simple network of BGP & OSPF and use the philosophy of "Simple solutions have simple problems, complex solutions have complex problems".

I been trying to find some documentation on connecting SFP+ uplink to a switch that has a SFP uplink.
So CCR1072-1G-8S+ with SFP+ transceiver -------------- Fiber --------------- HP Switch with SFP transceiver.
In my mind it should be possible the same as it works with ethernet, but would you perhaps be able to confirm this?

You're welcome....and certainly 100% uptime is a goal we should all work towards even if it is extremely difficult to achieve.

If you're wanting to connect the CCR1072 via a 10 Gig SFP+ module to an HP switch at 10 gig, then yes it is definitely supported.

Hi,

If you're wanting to connect the CCR1072 via a 10 Gig SFP+ module to an HP switch at 10 gig, then yes it is definitely supported.

No I mean if I have an SFP+ transceiver in the Mikrotik and a normal 1G SFP transceiver in the HP switch, will the link work at 1G? I ask because I would rather populate this unit with the 10G SFP+ modules and when we get around to upgrading some of our older switches, I can order 10G switches.

An SFP+ module with a few exceptions won't work with an SFP module.

The SFP+ slot can usually accept an SFP on either side - in the case of the CCR1072, i was able to get an 850 nm MultiMode SFP in the SFP+ slot to work with a MultiMode SFP in an RB2011 which resulted in a 1 gig link which should be sufficient to make your HP switch scenario work.

Single mode 1 gig SFP and copper SFP did not seem to work in the SFP+ slot of the 1072.

I assume this was the http://routerboard.com/S-85DLC05D module?

On a side note, I don't suppose you know if the CCR1036 uses ECC ram or not, I know the CCR1072 does?

I assume this was the http://routerboard.com/S-85DLC05D module?

On a side note, I don't suppose you know if the CCR1036 uses ECC ram or not, I know the CCR1072 does?

I think we were actually using Antaira SFP modules, but any SFP module will work in the CCR series.

I'm fairly certain the CCR1036 uses non-ECC ram. Here is a pic from one of our CCR1036-2G-8S+ in the lab.

CCR1036 uses regular laptop type SODIMM modules. CCR1072 uses soldered-on ECC RAM.

CCR1036 uses regular laptop type SODIMM modules. CCR1072 uses soldered-on ECC RAM.

Hi Normis,

Thanks for confirming that. Do you know if the CCR1036 does support ECC ram (if we had to swop the modules out).

Also, I understand the purpose of ECC ram in a server environment, but does ECC ram matter in a network router like the CCR's?
Is there a risk of a CCR1036 catching a wobbly because of a bit-flip because it is not using ECC, or isn't this something we should be concerned about?

-Dave

CCR1036 uses regular laptop type SODIMM modules. CCR1072 uses soldered-on ECC RAM.

Hi Normis,

Thanks for confirming that. Do you know if the CCR1036 does support ECC ram (if we had to swop the modules out).

Also, I understand the purpose of ECC ram in a server environment, but does ECC ram matter in a network router like the CCR's?
Is there a risk of a CCR1036 catching a wobbly because of a bit-flip because it is not using ECC, or isn't this something we should be concerned about?

-Dave

The device itself also must be made to support ECC, so just using ECC modules will not improve anything (except maybe that ECC modules will be higher quality in general).

The device itself also must be made to support ECC, so just using ECC modules will not improve anything (except maybe that ECC modules will be higher quality in general).

So would you still recommend the CCR1036's in a data center environment doing bgp/ospf/etc, even though it does not use ECC ram?

We are considering buying 2 of these CCR1072-1G-8S+ for our co-location BGP and replace our old servers running vyatta.

I've read through the BGP tests on http://www.stubarea51.net and it looks impressive, my only concern is regarding the reliability and stability of this unit. A number of people have told us to stay away from the CCR's because of hardware/software issues relating to random reboots, or locking up. We need a 100% uptime solution and will run 2 of these, but my questions are:

- How reliable are the CCR units in a co-location environment doing BGP?
- How stable is the RouterOS running on the CCR's?
- How reliable are the Mikrotik SFP modules?
- How are these units as far as uptime goes? Our existing vyatta routers have never crashed in 5 years.

I guess my question is, if we are going to be investing in two CCR1072-1G-8S+ units, am I going to be buying a white elephant that I am going to regret in 6 months to a year's time?

Out of curiosity, have you moved on with CCR1072?

Just an FYI

The CCR1036 does NOT support ECC ram I have tested it

We are considering buying 2 of these CCR1072-1G-8S+ for our co-location BGP and replace our old servers running vyatta.

I've read through the BGP tests on http://www.stubarea51.net and it looks impressive, my only concern is regarding the reliability and stability of this unit. A number of people have told us to stay away from the CCR's because of hardware/software issues relating to random reboots, or locking up. We need a 100% uptime solution and will run 2 of these, but my questions are:

- How reliable are the CCR units in a co-location environment doing BGP?
- How stable is the RouterOS running on the CCR's?
- How reliable are the Mikrotik SFP modules?
- How are these units as far as uptime goes? Our existing vyatta routers have never crashed in 5 years.

I guess my question is, if we are going to be investing in two CCR1072-1G-8S+ units, am I going to be buying a white elephant that I am going to regret in 6 months to a year's time?

Out of curiosity, have you moved on with CCR1072?

Yes we have, and they working like a boss.