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Re: RB1100

Fri May 28, 2010 6:44 am

I used to have a similar opinion, why would you want SFP ports on a Mikrotik router?

Well, now I too want them. We are doing a number of CWDM projects at the moment, and having a Mikrotik router with high throughput, multiple "full speed" SFP's and a multicore CPU would be perfect for us.

By full speed, I mean each SFP/port can communicate at the full 1000mbit speed, unlike the RB1100 which is technically two switches, each one with a single uplink.
Ah, so now you're twisting my own words around, I was never talking about that. Since SFP ports doesn't exist yet on Routerboard, I was talking about alternatives. If it's true that RB1100 can't handle the traffic, then why not buy a VLAN aware switch with SFP ports and PoE? That would be the ultimate solution, and that is also what I always have done, and it's the omly option right now. Well, you can OFF TO CISCO if you prefer that.

It is something I don't get, people buy a rack mounted router, but don't have place for a switch, or a tiny little media convertet. I have a feeling that it is for home use (in their living room).
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Re: RB1100

Fri May 28, 2010 6:55 am

haha, well we could buy vlan aware switches. But the fewer devices we can get away with, the more reliable, and cost effective the solution is. We would prefer to have the Mikrotik acting as the "CPE" and terminate two sets of fibre into it, then output to a VLAN aware switch on the other side.

To be honest, the price is not the issue, as long as the performance is there and it has SFP's we would happily pay more than the "cheap" RB1000. RouterOS is much nicer to use than either JunOS or IOS, provide easier visibility into what is happening, and has significantly better SNMP.
 
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Re: RB1100

Fri May 28, 2010 7:06 am

I've been working in the field of networing since the end of 1980, and what I've seen is that every server room is half empty. We have never had so many servers that we have today, but still all server rooms is half empty (i don't mind to have extra units). :)

That's due to smaller servers, and virtualization.
 
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Re: RB1100

Fri May 28, 2010 9:46 am

I've been working in the field of networing since the end of 1980, and what I've seen is that every server room is half empty. We have never had so many servers that we have today, but still all server rooms is half empty (i don't mind to have extra units). :)

That's due to smaller servers, and virtualization.
But you still can't get away from the performance and reliability problems that adding an extra physical device to a logical system brings.

Lots of our racks are half empty because we haven't got the power/cooling to put more equipment in them, so the space isn't a great deal of use :(
 
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Re: RB1100

Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:22 pm

MT does not have today any product with ability to connect it directly to the fiber. That's a shame...

So, how much empty miniGBIC or SFP slot will costs? $10-20? Today, even $100 switches come with one or two of these, so they can not be more expensive than that. Well, ok, if MT will add that price to the RB1100, we all can live with that. Even better would be add-on module (PCIe) for RB800 and some other higher end models. Right now, I connect even RB750G's to backbone via converters, which is almost same size like router, require extra power outlet, and have 5V supply, what will die on every 10th power surge.

Btw, I, personally hate media converters. They are most unreliable things I have ever seen. And I have hundreds of them ...

PS: SFP can easily be converted to Ethernet.
 
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Re: RB1100

Sat Jun 05, 2010 11:38 am

+1 vote for sfp
it's needed future.
 
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Re: RB1100

Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:04 am

Just got one for home yesterday... Played with it for 10 mins... Cant access the switch chips on 5.0b2... :(
 
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Re: RB1100

Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:34 am

Do you mean access by Winbox? The support for Winbox is added at 5.0beta3.
 
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Re: RB1100

Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:51 pm

Do you mean access by Winbox? The support for Winbox is added at 5.0beta3.
I really didnt mess with it that long. Just long enough to see that there was no switch option in Winbox. Maybe you can from the CLI. Just didnt get that far yet.
 
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Re: RB1100

Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:23 pm

Yes, you can do it from CLI. 5.0beta3 will provide you with support for Winbox.
 
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Re: RB1100

Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:26 pm

Do you mean access by Winbox? The support for Winbox is added at 5.0beta3.
When will we see beta3?

When it's ready won't cut it, so an estimation will do.. :-)

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Re: RB1100

Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:27 pm

5.0beta3 should be available very soon.
 
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Re: RB1100

Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:00 pm

I have problem with RB1100,

when I put the cable from other modem/router/switch to RB1100 port 11, 12 or 13, router always stuck / every 5-10 minutes interface/ether always disconnect/down. anyone have a same problem with me?

but port 1-10 is normal!..

bug or something??
 
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Re: RB1100

Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:38 am

I have problem with RB1100,

when I put the cable from other modem/router/switch to RB1100 port 11, 12 or 13, router always stuck / every 5-10 minutes interface/ether always disconnect/down. anyone have a same problem with me?

but port 1-10 is normal!..

bug or something??
What is your RouterOS version and RouterBOOT version?

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Re: RB1100

Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:34 am

I have problem with RB1100,

when I put the cable from other modem/router/switch to RB1100 port 11, 12 or 13, router always stuck / every 5-10 minutes interface/ether always disconnect/down. anyone have a same problem with me?

but port 1-10 is normal!..

bug or something??
What is your RouterOS version and RouterBOOT version?

Tom
firmware: "2.27"
version: "4.10"
 
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Re: RB1100

Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:57 am

I have installed a RB1100 as a networks access control, but i have a serious problem, cpu go to 100% usage all time, i have 645 users, i have disabled connection tracking, simple queue, firewall mangle eccept global mss-change, natting, pppoe compression, all queue.... i'll must to disable entire RB1100 for get a reasonable use of cpu ?

I have also overclocked cpu to 1Ghz, can i overload memory bus to 533 Mhz ?

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P.s. i prefer a most expansive but usable hardware, that a low cost unusable hardware ....
 
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Re: RB1100

Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:10 pm

I have problem with RB1100,

when I put the cable from other modem/router/switch to RB1100 port 11, 12 or 13, router always stuck / every 5-10 minutes interface/ether always disconnect/down. anyone have a same problem with me?

but port 1-10 is normal!..

bug or something??
What is your RouterOS version and RouterBOOT version?

Tom
firmware: "2.27"
version: "4.10"
Oh yeah, I forgot about this place. Anyway...

Same here, 4.10/2.27 and ether11-13 issues. Ticket#2010061066000061 with MT support, waiting since 6/9/10. I can understand the wait since this now looks like a problem not specific to the unit I have.

I wonder if this is auto-MDI/X related? I think I have straight-through cables at my site, maybe x-overs will fix this?

Tom, I sent you an email. I guess this answers the question of others reporting ethernet issues.
 
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Re: RB1100

Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:13 pm

I have installed a RB1100 as a networks access control, but i have a serious problem, cpu go to 100% usage all time, i have 645 users, i have disabled connection tracking, simple queue, firewall mangle eccept global mss-change, natting, pppoe compression, all queue.... i'll must to disable entire RB1100 for get a reasonable use of cpu ?

I have also overclocked cpu to 1Ghz, can i overload memory bus to 533 Mhz ?

Thanks
FR4

P.s. i prefer a most expansive but usable hardware, that a low cost unusable hardware ....
Mine has the standard 512MB RAM. I set the RAM clock to 533MHz and it automatically scaled up the CPU clock to 1333MHz. Multiple reboots and power-cycles and it's still there. Just running on the bench right now because of the ethernet issues.
 
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Re: RB1100

Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:10 pm

Oh yeah, I forgot about this place. Anyway...

Same here, 4.10/2.27 and ether11-13 issues. Ticket#2010061066000061 with MT support, waiting since 6/9/10. I can understand the wait since this now looks like a problem not specific to the unit I have.

I wonder if this is auto-MDI/X related? I think I have straight-through cables at my site, maybe x-overs will fix this?

Tom, I sent you an email. I guess this answers the question of others reporting ethernet issues.
Thanks for the email reply, Tom.

This is related to the RB800 ethernet problems.http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php ... 00#p212336

I hope the next ROS is released soon. I need this 1100 in production.. like yesterday!
 
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Re: RB1100

Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:33 am

Seeing port issues here too. Set port 11 to autonegotiation off 1000mb fdx and router locked up and i had to drive to tower to reboot it. Something weird with the GB ports not behaving properly. Have not heard from tech support. Hopefully the fix is out soon so the flagship routerboards actually work properly on the ports that have the highest capable bandwidth, 11, 12, 13. Looking forward to 4.11...

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Re: RB1100

Wed Jun 16, 2010 2:46 pm

for 1Gbit links you have to have auto-negotiation turned on for it to work. Best you can get with that turned off is 100MBps.
 
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Re: RB1100

Wed Jun 16, 2010 2:51 pm

Well then I think you would agree if it HAS to be on to work then I should not have the option to change it and lock the router up... Do you agree?

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Re: RB1100

Wed Jun 16, 2010 2:53 pm

Furthermore... are you telling me that setting the flagship routerboard gig port hard set to 1000fdx is not an option? I've never had that problem with any other GB router or switch ever. Please clarify maybe I misunderstood what you were trying to say. Thanks.

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Re: RB1100

Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:54 pm

Behind the scenes, a gigabit ethernet connection requires auto-negotiation to properly sync up. That's just how the standard is written. The other units that allow you to turn off auto-negotiation and still force 1Gb and a duplex must have auto-negotiation still enabled in the background and are somehow forcing the connection to pick the speed you've manually set. Mikrotik's just being more literal/honest in their setup.

I do agree that it makes more sense to me to not have that option there at all if you can't actually use it.
 
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Re: RB1100

Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:53 pm

can i run 500 hotspot clients in it.
as of now i am useing a asus motherboard with quadcore processor and two gig ports but it cant handle users more than 400 users any solution
please let me know.
 
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Re: RB1100

Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:59 pm

Yes, without a problem. It scales to even more than that. 400 users without optimizations and a fairly light firewall ruleset ran at an average of 17% CPU utilization for me with plenty of free RAM when I was testing things on this hardware. I've run close to two thousand concurrent users since without any problems.

However, a quad core x86 should easily be able to handle 400 users, too. If it doesn't you have things seriously misconfigured, or the router is doing a LOT more than just Hotspot traffic. Once you don't dedicate the system to Hotspot traffic of course all bets are off on the number I gave and things depend on what else the router is busy with.
 
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Re: RB1100

Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:26 am

4.11 fixed nothing for me. Forced ethers 11-13 to 100FDX and get Rx errors due to duplex mismatch. Even though it says it's hard set to the speed and duplex, those three ports still auto-neg, always. Hardware, drivers or something is broken. A $400 router sitting on the shelf for four months.
 
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Re: RB1100

Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:19 am

Anyone still having problems with Prts 11-13? It was working for about 10-11 days on mine after putting 5.0rc4 dated 11/9/2010 on it, then I upgraded to 5.0RC4 11/22/2010 and it started dropping link every 5 minutes again. PAradyne DSL modem, RB433AH and Dlink DES-3028.

I downgraded to the 5.0rc4 I was running and it still didnt work.. Its like it only worked for that one reboot.
 
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Re: RB1100

Tue Nov 23, 2010 8:29 pm

MT does not have today any product with ability to connect it directly to the fiber. That's a shame...

So, how much empty miniGBIC or SFP slot will costs? $10-20? Today, even $100 switches come with one or two of these, so they can not be more expensive than that. Well, ok, if MT will add that price to the RB1100, we all can live with that. Even better would be add-on module (PCIe) for RB800 and some other higher end models. Right now, I connect even RB750G's to backbone via converters, which is almost same size like router, require extra power outlet, and have 5V supply, what will die on every 10th power surge.

Btw, I, personally hate media converters. They are most unreliable things I have ever seen. And I have hundreds of them ...

PS: SFP can easily be converted to Ethernet.
We use PowerRouter 732 with RouterOs and 2 Gbic fiber interfaces, works like a charm.
 
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Re: RB1100

Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:35 pm

We use PowerRouter 732 with RouterOs and 2 Gbic fiber interfaces, works like a charm.
to be exact it is not MirkoTik product ;)
 
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Re: RB1100

Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:15 am

We are also working on a more powerful device, but it's not ready yet. Send your SFP suggestions with usage examples and requirements.

So, how's that more powerful device going???
 
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Re: RB1100

Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:35 am

We are also working on a more powerful device, but it's not ready yet. Send your SFP suggestions with usage examples and requirements.
Suggestions:
* Cavium multi-core processor for crypto acceleration and hardware assisted packet processing
* 8x 1000baseT interfaces on the board, can act as full speed interfaces, or be "bridged" at full speed due to Cavium processor
* Stick on front label like the RB750 allowing Mikrotik to ship different configurations of the same base without having to make new case die's
* Flexible front mount interface module, allowing Mikrotik to ship the unit as just the base, or add:
- 8 x SFP
- 2 x SFP+
- 8 x 1000baseT
(Portwell do exactly this on a number of models)

* Redundant power supplies would be nice, even if there is just an exteral redundant power supply, (ala FortiGate 200B)

Why:
* Mikrotik is fantastic, but there comes a point where we need to use a Juniper/Cisco due to short comings in RouterOS or the hardware, e.g. needing SFP modules has forced us to use Juniper SRX's just recently

* I would much rather buy supported Mikrotik hardware than buy an x86 box and "roll the dice"

* I want to see Mikrotik take on the big guys

* We need more processing power to route/shape faster, connections are getting faster and throughput requirements are growing quickly. Also, not everyone uses Mikrotik for "plain old internet" we use it to bridge small data centres with MPLS/VPLS, and want to move to 10gigabit plus speeds.

* With SFP modules, Mikrotik would have a very good competitor to the Cisco ME3400 for terminating MPLS circuits

* People seem happy to pay more, for more power ! the Mikrotik routers are always the cheapest part of any solution we sell to a client, we and they would be happy to pay more, for a better, faster product.
 
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Re: RB1100

Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:43 pm

How can I connect a APC Smart UPS to RB1100? On serial is not working. :(
 
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Re: RB1100

Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:13 pm

How can I connect a APC Smart UPS to RB1100? On serial is not working. :(
Did you disable the console support on the serial port first?
 
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Re: RB1100

Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:55 pm

Anyone still having problems with Prts 11-13? It was working for about 10-11 days on mine after putting 5.0rc4 dated 11/9/2010 on it, then I upgraded to 5.0RC4 11/22/2010 and it started dropping link every 5 minutes again. PAradyne DSL modem, RB433AH and Dlink DES-3028.

I downgraded to the 5.0rc4 I was running and it still didnt work.. Its like it only worked for that one reboot.
What's new in 4.17 (2011-Mar-02 10:53):

*) fixed occasional print command stalling when lots of items;
*) fixed RB1100 ether11,12,13 and RB800 ether3 resetting problem;
*) implemented usb power-reset command on RB SXT 5HnD;
*) wireless-nv2 package now includes the same fixes as RouterOS v5rc11;

Just wondering...

Did this ROS upgrade fix the ethernet problems that you were all having? I assume that MT also applied the fix in stable release 5.0 although it is not mentioned in the 5.x change logs.

Tom
 
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Re: RB1100

Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:39 pm

yes, QpoX, i did that but seems like no connection at all.

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