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RouterBOARD Groove

by normis » Tue May 24, 2011 9:12 am

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http://www.routerboard.com/product/111

The Groove is our smallest outdoor series model - a fully featured RouterBOARD powered by RouterOS. Weatherproof, durable and ready to use. It has one 10/100 Ethernet port with PoE support and a built-in 200mW 802.11a/n wireless radio. With the Nv2 TDMA technology, 125Mbit aggregate throughput is possible!

The Groove features pole mounting points, so attaching to masts and round poles is really easy with a simple mounting loop.

The Groove 5Hn has a RouterOS Level3 license, so you can use it as a wireless client or for point to point links.

It has a built-in N-male connector, so you can attach it to an antenna directly, or use a standard antenna cable. LED signal indicators make it easy to install and align.

The price includes the Groove, mounting loops, PoE injector, power adapter.

The Groove runs RouterOS with all it’s features.
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by rzirzi » Tue May 24, 2011 10:46 am

Is there ESD/Surge protection at Groove LAN port??

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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by rzirzi » Wed May 25, 2011 10:03 am

OK, I understand. No answer from MikroTik - no LAN port protection?!

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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by normis » Wed May 25, 2011 10:23 am

It has typical diode matrix TVS protection. Precise max. TVS value will be available after complex ESD tests is done.
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by lazerusrm » Thu May 26, 2011 4:48 pm

I have some on order! Have some awesome applications for this, really excited...

mounting one to my truck as soon as i get some of them.

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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by blue » Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:46 am

I want to start changing couple of Ubnt Bullet's with Mtk Groove, but I have one question. It is written that groove has to be installed in vertical position with Lan port facing down. So, how can I use it with grid antenna that has N connector on back of it?

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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by normis » Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:47 am

you can do that, the writing meant that the port shouldn't be pointing straight up.
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by blue » Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:54 pm

I am holding groove in my hand, and realy i am not sure that rain won't go in the groove through these four holes on back. Are you accepting warranty if groove get wed and die?

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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by WirelessRudy » Mon Jun 06, 2011 1:25 am

20cm of coax with connectors or this:
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by wpeople » Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:04 am

i'm interested if it's designed to mount directly to antenna (massive pcb?) or using a 'pigtail' (short LMR400) is recommended?

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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by blue » Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:44 pm

What a pity to waste dBm's with short cable on the device which primary function is to connect directly to antenna. Solution is only good on omni or sector antennas. So, no good for "cpe"...

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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by roc-noc.com » Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:56 pm

blue wrote:What a pity to waste dBm's with short cable on the device which primary function is to connect directly to antenna. Solution is only good on omni or sector antennas. So, no good for "cpe"...


The N Male to N Female Right Angle Adapter has < 0.1dB Insertion Loss. Not really much to cry about. :)

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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by wpeople » Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:49 pm

right angle adapter is adapter ( i mean it's a piece of metal) and not cable, so has no tolerance about movement.

I tought (in view of device) it's the best to fix it onto the antenna mast and have some extra length on both UTP and Coax cable for movement
tolerance.
Think about the following case: a weighty bird is going to sit on the Groove, what screwed onto a panel antenna backside. All the weight will be carried by the PCB inside.

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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by roc-noc.com » Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:15 am

wpeople wrote:right angle adapter is adapter ( i mean it's a piece of metal) and not cable, so has no tolerance about movement.

I tought (in view of device) it's the best to fix it onto the antenna mast and have some extra length on both UTP and Coax cable for movement
tolerance.
Think about the following case: a weighty bird is going to sit on the Groove, what screwed onto a panel antenna backside. All the weight will be carried by the PCB inside.


Then it must be a Dodo bird but I believe that they are extinct.

Use the right angle adapter so the Groove is pointing down. Your giant bird will be sitting on the right angle adapter, not on the Groove. Or on the top edge of the panel. But more likely on the feed horn of the dish antenna feed horn or a yagi with no radome.

Fix the panel or antenna to the mast or tower. Let the Groove hang free on the right angle adapter. Attach the data cable to the mast or tower so it does not put stress on the Groove. Don't forget a drip loop or two.

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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by DJHiP » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:46 pm

WOOO!

Just got mine in! Will be playing around tomorrow.

Took a few shots already :D and ripped it apart... as you do :lol:


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Few more pic's on my blog: http://www.air-stream.org.au/MikrotikGroove5Hn

Going to be swapping a 7115Hn with this, so theory is it should perform exactly the same! :) Time will tell.
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by roc-noc.com » Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:32 am

That heat sink is a work of art. It looks like a Harley J. Earle design -000- but I am pretty sure he died in '69.

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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by WirelessRudy » Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:37 am

And now a b/g version would make a lot guys happy too!
At least I can then get rid of these bullets.

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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by DJHiP » Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:39 am

WirelessRudy wrote:And now a b/g version would make a lot guys happy too!
At least I can then get rid of these bullets.


First the 711-2Hn then I'm sure we'll see a Groove-2Hn :D
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by mahnet » Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:50 am

I want a Groove 2Hn with L4 license and mount 'em to a sector antenna.
Let see how they work or groove's jst a client end product :)

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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by DJHiP » Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:15 am

Well I've given it a shot in Direct-To-Dish mounting.

EDIT: Performance is equal, if not better than the RB711 setup, 10MB/s Up and 10MB/s Down. Fantastic Unit!
-Right at this moment we've noticed about a 20% decrease in RX performance to the RB711 that was on the same dish, but I stupidly forgot to test the RB711 just before swapping them, so I don't have an accurate comparison yet. But we'll see how it goes.

Also interested to see how this operates weather wise, we have some rain coming this week so hopefully I can break it and show that I shouldn't mount like this! :lol:

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Interestingly I attempted a Backup and Restore of config from the RB711 to the Groove and it didn't quite work 100%, but it was close enough.

Also weirdly, I can't get the Wireless Signal Strength LED's working. Its configured right in the LED section, but they don't light up... not sure what's happening there.

Again, more pictures on my blog: http://www.air-stream.org.au/MikrotikGroove5HnInstalled
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by DJHiP » Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:09 pm

For those still not quite grasping the size of the Groove, here is a shot side-by-side with the Ubiquiti Bullet2 which a few people have come across in their travels as they have been out a while..

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Of course as soon as the Groove A-2Hn is release there will be a heap of Bullets on the market :D.. so come on Mikrotik!

More pics over at my blog again ;) -> http://www.air-stream.org.au/blog/shawn ... i-bullet-2

P.S. We are averaging 10MB/s through put in both directions (not simultaneously) with the Groove so far, and its currently pouring with rain and it hasn't failed .. yet ;) Go-Groove-Go!
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by roc-noc.com » Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:57 pm

Yes, please. We need a 2.4GHz version of the RB711, the Groove, and the Omnitik! Please don't ignore the 2.4GHz market segment Mikrotik. And give them the strength, the power, and the sensitivity, that other makers seem to deliver.

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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by taylorc » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:49 pm

Mikrotik -

What is your official position on a 2.4GHz Groove? I know I can't wait to get my hands on such a unit... Can we expect one in the near future?

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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by rzirzi » Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:34 am

Yes, we are waiting for 2,4GHz version.
And it should be an "Groove OEM version" for 2,4GHz and 5GHz - WITHOUT: package, mounting loops, PoE injector, power adapter.

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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by normis » Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:42 am

rzirzi wrote:Yes, we are waiting for 2,4GHz version.
And it should be an "Groove OEM version" for 2,4GHz and 5GHz - WITHOUT: package, mounting loops, PoE injector, power adapter.


funny but most people love that these things are included in the package without any additional charge (compared to other similar products).

yes, we are working on 2GHz models as well
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by mahnet » Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:04 am

get 'em out of the closet Normis. The market is waiting.

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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by petrn » Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:10 am

normis wrote:funny but most people love that these things are included in the package without any additional charge (compared to other similar products),
so it's calculated already in price, then version without should be cheaper...
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by honzam » Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:39 am

normis wrote:It has typical diode matrix TVS protection. Precise max. TVS value will be available after complex ESD tests is done.

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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by rzirzi » Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:47 am

normis wrote:funny but most people love that these things are included in the package without any additional charge (compared to other similar products).
yes, we are working on 2GHz models as well

That's great that You including these things for free. Give us in one package 1 + 1 Groove Free ;)
Dont't be funny - these things are caltulated to overall price. Many times - we need only AP (Groove L4) for base station that it has own guaranted power supply to all devices. So - we don't need power supply and PoE injector.

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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by normis » Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:48 am

if you choose between two products of similar price, and one of them has additional things - it's free. we will not reduce the price if we sell you only the groove device without package and accessories, as this requires change in manufacturing and packaging procedures.
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by mahnet » Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:54 pm

why will u want to keep out the POE and accessories. even if u have a self powered basestation etc u can still use spare adapters and POE at sites whr they go bad. u can increase ur backup inventory.

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by WirelessRudy » Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:55 pm

mahnet wrote:why will u want to keep out the POE and accessories. even if u have a self powered basestation etc u can still use spare adapters and POE at sites whr they go bad. u can increase ur backup inventory.
Bulls eye! :idea:
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by sup5 » Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:14 pm

My "Backup inventory" of PoE-Injectors and Power Supplies is large and still grows...
I've got no need for separate PoE-Injectors and Power Supplies.
I use PoE-Injector Panels or PoE-modded RB750s instead.
This significantly lowers cabling mess, temperature and also space reqirements in the racks and cabinets.

I've got a station with over 24 PoE-driven Wireless links on it.
Imagine the mess in the cabinets if I'd have used a PSU with a separate PoE-Ijector for each link!

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blue wrote:What a pity to waste dBm's with short cable on the device which primary function is to connect directly to antenna. Solution is only good on omni or sector antennas. So, no good for "cpe"...


The N Male to N Female Right Angle Adapter has < 0.1dB Insertion Loss. Not really much to cry about. :)

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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by mahnet » Sat Jul 02, 2011 5:37 pm

sup5 wrote:My "Backup inventory" of PoE-Injectors and Power Supplies is large and still grows...
I've got no need for separate PoE-Injectors and Power Supplies.
I use PoE-Injector Panels or PoE-modded RB750s instead.
This significantly lowers cabling mess, temperature and also space reqirements in the racks and cabinets.

I've got a station with over 24 PoE-driven Wireless links on it.
Imagine the mess in the cabinets if I'd have used a PSU with a separate PoE-Ijector for each link!


can u show me a picture of your POE Injector and Power Supplies.
But yeah thr must be remote sites where poe's go bad ...neways u can sell them to the needy as well.
Companies have to go be rules and regulation with the packaging where they pay duties and VAT. EVery different product with different accessories makes a new item and new set of taxes and duties.

I do not advise Mikrotik to concentrate on managing those things.
Let them be good at the Routerboard and Router OS.

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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by sup5 » Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:46 pm

You might have a look at this PoE Patch Panel.
http://www.i4wifi.eu/16-port-pasiv-poe- ... d2065.html

Power supplies aren't always the same.
It depends on power consuption, available space and type of power connection.

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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by valent » Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:36 pm

Whow, this looks like an awesome device. Has anybody tested power consumption? I can see these babies running on small battery pack powered by solar panel ;)

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by mahnet » Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:56 pm

smaller batteries wld also mean more recycling.

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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by sup5 » Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:05 pm

This PoE-Panel is just a passive device.
A power jack is located on the rear of it.

You'll need a power supply with this PoE-Panel.
You can use it with any voltage up to 50 volts.

The panel just distributes the power of your power supply to your hungry 24V PoE-powered devices.

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sup5 wrote:You might have a look at this PoE Patch Panel.
http://www.i4wifi.eu/16-port-pasiv-poe- ... d2065.html

Power supplies aren't always the same.
It depends on power consuption, available space and type of power connection.


I'm a little bit afraid of this panel. Think about power: 16x0.4A=6.4A. It's 4 pcs of PCB, what's daisy-chained.
First PCB should carry 6.4A from one side to other. 2nd 4.8A, 3rd 3.2A. I'm not sure, that PCB (and wire diameters) are designed for such load.
(and think about, that most of us use 24V instead of 48V - that's double Amper for same Wattage)

Of course, i not say that will not work, but i would connect those parts directly instead of daisy chain for first...

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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by sup5 » Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:46 pm

Most of my Mikrotik devices drains no more than 6 watts.
This is 0.125A at 24V. This sums up to 4 Amps in total for 16 devices.
If you go for 28V instead 24V the current lowers under 4 amps.

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by RK » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:14 am

sup5 wrote:Most of my Mikrotik devices drains no more than 6 watts.
This is 0.125A at 24V. This sums up to 4 Amps in total for 16 devices.
If you go for 28V instead 24V the current lowers under 4 amps.


Are you sure about the last statement?
If a routerboard requires 6W, will it consume 0.5A at 12V and 0.25A at 24V or will it also consume 0.5A at 24V and put out the extra 6W as heat?

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by uldis » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:20 am

from the Groove brochure
Consumption - Up to 0,19A at 24V (4.56W)

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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by sup5 » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:07 pm

Just use a continous regulatable power supply to confirm.
A Routerboard starts to work with 8V and will drain about 0.5 A
When you push the voltage to 12V the current drops to 0.33 A
If you further push the voltage to 24V the current is as low as 0.17 A

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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by Docteh » Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:35 pm

does anybody have a picture of the whole kit? I'd like to see what PoE is included, also maybe to see what the power supply looks like

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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by mahnet » Sun Jul 17, 2011 6:30 am

Successfully tested a 16 km link with Groove at both ends.
24 dbi mini grid antenna. Across a river almost 2 km wide.
Signal -68/70. CCQ = 65/68. Pthroughput = 7000 approx.
Bandwidth test shows 3 mbps.

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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by Rudelz » Mon Aug 01, 2011 1:02 pm

I love the groove , just started using them they really are great, no more fuss with extra enclosures, really fast setup, and a lot better then the BULLET

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by WirelessRudy » Wed Aug 03, 2011 11:55 am

Rudelz wrote:I love the groove , just started using them they really are great, no more fuss with extra enclosures, really fast setup, and a lot better then the BULLET
You must have been comparing them, groove and bullet. What do you think makes the groove so much better?

Not that I believe in ubnt's bullets. Not at all. But I am not having grooves in use yet so would like to know why these should be so much better than the bullet.
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by Lakis » Sun Aug 21, 2011 7:44 pm

WirelessRudy wrote:
Rudelz wrote:I love the groove , just started using them they really are great, no more fuss with extra enclosures, really fast setup, and a lot better then the BULLET
You must have been comparing them, groove and bullet. What do you think makes the groove so much better?

Not that I believe in ubnt's bullets. Not at all. But I am not having grooves in use yet so would like to know why these should be so much better than the bullet.

Nice one :))

Have 6-7 bullets-links no one is under 60-70mbit real TCP
no problems at all stable and powerful
In aether side groove have better OS 1milion futures (I start using SXT all I can say is wow NanoStation5 is not even nearly good as SXT)
but most important is speed
What is the max TCP throughput of groove?
What do u meen 125mbit aggregate speed?

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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

by janisk » Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:49 am

groove has 100MBps ethernet interface, so, you can saturate that, and then still have some upload left (25MBps).

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