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RB1100AHx2 Memorygate

Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:29 pm

Hi,
one question about RB1100AH and RB1100AHx2 for the mikrotik project engineer...

WHY 47MByte in this router? HOW many different cost with 64MB ? RB450 have 512MB !!

is problematic to upgrade to 5.12

this is crazy!!

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Re: RB1100AHx2 Memorygate

Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:35 pm

:?


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Product code RB1100AHx2
Current Monitor No
CPU P2020
CPU speed 1066MHz
RAM 2GB (RouterOS will use only up to 1,5GB)
Architecture PPC
LAN ports 13
 
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Re: RB1100AHx2 Memorygate

Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:40 pm

flash... not RAM
 
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Re: RB1100AHx2 Memorygate

Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:49 pm

why does this matter? RouterOS runs fine on it, and for proxy cache you use the microSD.
 
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Re: RB1100AHx2 Memorygate

Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:56 pm

normally is 15Mbye used, if you have a few backup.... ros 5.12 cause a 0% free memory....
my question is: why only 47Mbyte HDD on this beautifull router ?

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Re: RB1100AHx2 Memorygate

Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:42 am

AND I have other question, on first RB1100 have 512 mb ram too, this is very important, I can understand how is possible reduce memory on this great router, is realy crazy, I can run metarouter..........realy apologize.

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Re: RB1100AHx2 Memorygate

Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:54 am

not RAM! RAM is 2GB. please don't confuse RAM with anything else. Size of NAND doesn't matter. Use microSD for additional storage.
 
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Re: RB1100AHx2 Memorygate

Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:10 pm

[see below]
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Re: RB1100AHx2 Memorygate

Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:35 pm

Yes I know perfecly what is RAM...
but I think a little NAND is a limitation... I remember RB532 with 128MB Nand and I'm not understand the 48Mb free in RB1100ahx2
I refuse this engineer idea...it's only my things..
Thanks for all, great job.... but increase nand storage!
 
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Re: RB1100AHx2 Memorygate

Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:37 pm

can you explain why you need more NAND ? RouterOS doesn't use more. And for proxy and other things - you can use microSD.
 
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Re: RB1100AHx2 Memorygate

Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:50 pm

your routeros upgrade files is at limit of free RB1100AH space !!!
and when out ROS6 ?

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Re: RB1100AHx2 Memorygate

Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:42 pm

Normis, sorry I can understand how I can use MicroSD to another router, I have running virtual router running on doing load balance on RB1100, this is not possible on my new RB1100AHx2, can you help me to implement it, the problem is ram.

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Re: RB1100AHx2 Memorygate

Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:11 pm

I thought I knew what I was getting into but it appears there's either a software issue or 41MB is really way too small.

I was about to upgrade to the latest version but I cannot: I have RB1100AH running ROS5.13, (no user-manager or hotspot packages installed) nothing in the file list, 36.5 of 41.7MB used i.e. 12% free.

The disk space is so small I cannot even upgrade to 5.14 because all the packages will not fit! :(
 
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Re: RB1100AHx2 Memorygate

Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:58 pm

RB1100 works fine but is discontinued, virtualization is the future, in my old system I had 3 rb450 2 rb450G, 1 rb750G and 1 PC.
thanks to rb1100 and metarouter could reduce number of equipment and have fewer points of failure, and improve the quality and availability of my service.

I don't understand why mikrotik is downgrading product line, RB750G it was discontinued, replace is RB750GL, with less memory, less processor, price difference is that justifies these changes?, in this cases there are not a technical impedimet, as other people say in other post "disappointing that, the biggest RB1100AHx2, not support virtualization....".
I buy it thinking that the core duo processor added benefits to RB1100, but never imagined I would have 10% of RAM of RB1100 and also will not support virtualization.

But there are something that I can understand, when I activate the load balancer that run in MetaRouter on my RB1100, amount's memory nand is not reduced, however RAM amount's is reduce, which explains that should not affect the amount of memory nand (of HDD), but there are another detail important on RB1100 hdd memory used is 57,3 MB, and on RB1100AHx2 hdd memory used is 22,3 MB, then definitely I think that probably if install 64 mb well be possible not lost this important function of this wonderfull router.
Dear Normis, me and a lot of people on the world use Mikrotik,and always I saw and learned too much reading your posts , but i I'm not agree with your simple answer when you say simply 'Metarouter is not supported on RB1100AHx2' becouse is the top product of Mikrotik and is not posible this, becouse on simple router board as rb450 this is possible.

thanks in advance

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Re: RB1100AHx2 Memorygate

Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:15 am

RAM has not been reduced in RB1100. Please check your facts.
 
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Re: RB1100AHx2 Memorygate

Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:16 am

I thought I knew what I was getting into but it appears there's either a software issue or 41MB is really way too small.

I was about to upgrade to the latest version but I cannot: I have RB1100AH running ROS5.13, (no user-manager or hotspot packages installed) nothing in the file list, 36.5 of 41.7MB used i.e. 12% free.

The disk space is so small I cannot even upgrade to 5.14 because all the packages will not fit! :(
please contact support with your supout.rif file and the list of packages you tried to upload.
 
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Re: RB1100AHx2 Memorygate

Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:58 pm

Normis, sorry, when I wrote the post I made the mistake of referring to as RAM, when realy is NAND, on RB1100 is 520,1 MB and in RB1100AHx2 is only 41,7 MB (is almost 10% from RB1100 and RB1100AHx2), I Would like if you can, read all post and tell me finaly why is not support metarouter RB1100AHx2, excuse my ignorance.

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Re: RB1100AHx2 Memorygate

Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:55 pm

AHx2 is multicore, but Metarouter does not work on multicore systems.
 
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Re: RB1100AHx2 Memorygate

Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:25 pm

I thought I knew what I was getting into but it appears there's either a software issue or 41MB is really way too small.

I was about to upgrade to the latest version but I cannot: I have RB1100AH running ROS5.13, (no user-manager or hotspot packages installed) nothing in the file list, 36.5 of 41.7MB used i.e. 12% free.

The disk space is so small I cannot even upgrade to 5.14 because all the packages will not fit! :(
please contact support with your supout.rif file and the list of packages you tried to upload.
Even single system package will not fit. I'll send the support.rif
 
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Re: RB1100AHx2 Memorygate

Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:41 pm

AHx2 is multicore, but Metarouter does not work on multicore systems.
Ok, if is not work why error reported when I try add metarouter is "not enough resources (6)", this only makes confusions and waste time, this is not clear explanation.

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Re: RB1100AHx2 Memorygate

Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:57 pm

Hi,
one question about RB1100AH and RB1100AHx2 for the mikrotik project engineer...

WHY 47MByte in this router? HOW many different cost with 64MB ? RB450 have 512MB !!

is problematic to upgrade to 5.12

this is crazy!!

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Just found this limitation oursleves. How to use The Dude like this?!

MikroTik, you have not announced the size of the flash and we assumed it was like 1100.

YOU HAVE LIED TO US !!!

We want to return this RB now so you can bang it against your heads.
 
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Re: RB1100AHx2 Memorygate

Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:00 pm

My AHx2 now cant delete any file. And I cant reboot because its on a large pop. I am worried if i reboot it it may never back again.
 
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Re: RB1100AHx2 Memorygate

Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:05 pm

Just rebooted, now i can delete files, but unable to update. When tried, i got the log message ( system reboot because kernel failure).
 
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Re: RB1100AHx2 Memorygate

Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:08 pm

I had this problem before with older models with small flash.

Before updating, try to uninstall any unused packages, reboot to complete the uninstall. See that there is at least 30 megs free space.
Then upload the separate packages and not the combined one, reboot to complete the update.

Then maybe update the bootloader.
 
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Re: RB1100AHx2 Memorygate

Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:17 pm

I had this problem before with older models with small flash.

Before updating, try to uninstall any unused packages, reboot to complete the uninstall. See that there is at least 30 megs free space.
Then upload the separate packages and not the combined one, reboot to complete the update.

Then maybe update the bootloader.
Thank You, gonna try this later at night!
 
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Re: RB1100AHx2 Memorygate

Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:59 am

I had this problem before with older models with small flash.

Before updating, try to uninstall any unused packages, reboot to complete the uninstall. See that there is at least 30 megs free space.
Then upload the separate packages and not the combined one, reboot to complete the update.

Then maybe update the bootloader.
Instructions with "try" and "maybe" usually don't work well when the router is 1500km away :) (especially since I need most of the packages in order to remotely access the system that controls the router)

I hope that Mikrotik will offer a better solution, like replace them with models with more flash. The whole situation is so mind boggling I would believe if someone explained that the manufacturer loaded wrong flash chips into the SMT machine :(
 
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Re: RB1100AHx2 Memorygate

Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:54 am

removed packages but no go. I will try another day with separated packages. This router is 20miles away.
 
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Re: RB1100AHx2 Memorygate

Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:25 am

The flash is big enough for RouterOS and updating but not for using the packet sniffer or The Dude or anything else that may need more space.

MikroTik were wrong to not announce the size of the flash but it would bee too much a punishment for them to replace all the units.

As I said,

- Uninstall any unused packages (not disable), after the restart see that there are ~ 30MB free space. Go to Files and remove stuff.
- Upload the separate .npks from the .zip - system-5.14-ppc.npk security-5.14-ppc.npk advanced-tools-5.14-ppc.npk routerboard-5.14-ppc.npk ppp-5.14-ppc.npk dhcp-5.14-ppc.npk and anything else you are actually using.

- Then if there is a newer bootloader - update that as well.

If after this it didn't update - you are doing something wrong.
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Re: RB1100AHx2 Memorygate

Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:24 pm

Worked.

I was unable to uninstall unused packages, when tried that, i got the message about system reboot because of kernel failure.
So I tried to just upload the used packages from the zip file and worked.
 
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Re: RB1100AHx2 Memorygate

Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:49 am

Mikrotik has made ​​a mistake, or is it possible that the MANUFACTURER, how annoying this situation is, do not show their faces and recognize the error giving explanations, is easy say 'RB1100AHx2 metarouter does not support', I believe that if they had published it on datasheet, had not sold even a RB1100AHx2, most of which we fell into the trap that was because we read the datasheet which corresponded to a unit better than the RB1100, with the same technical characteristics, do not think I would have bought this router NAND memory that has less than a rb750, 47MB :o

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MikroTik were wrong to not announce the size of the flash but it would bee too much a punishment for them to replace all the units.
 
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