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L009 with no 5GHz wireless

Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:56 pm

I don't get it...
Why does the "L009UiGS-2HaxD-IN" router only come with 2.4GHz wireless? Why not 5GHz as well?

Any thoughts on this matter?
 
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Re: L009 with no 5GHz wireless

Sat Feb 17, 2024 9:40 am

What opinion do you expect?
 
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Re: L009 with no 5GHz wireless

Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:11 pm

I would go for an even tougher question, why does it have Wi-Fi at all?

Try putting 4 of them (and their big ears) in 1 1U rack space.

The RM version is fine (limited in power but fine) for some uses, but the HaxD-IN?
 
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Re: L009 with no 5GHz wireless

Mon Feb 19, 2024 12:06 am

What opinion do you expect?
I was hoping for some considerations as to why not include dual-band WiFi.

I would go for an even tougher question, why does it have Wi-Fi at all?
Try putting 4 of them (and their big ears) in 1 1U rack space.
The RM version is fine (limited in power but fine) for some uses, but the HaxD-IN?
Isn't that what the "RB5009UPr+S+IN" offers?
 
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Re: L009 with no 5GHz wireless

Mon Feb 19, 2024 10:59 am

Isn't that what the "RB5009UPr+S+IN" offers?
Not sure to understand.

The L009 comes in two versions one (IMHO right) without WiFi/Radio and one (IMHO wrong) with (2.4GHz radio).
For both it is highlighted that 4 of them can be mounted in a 1U space of a rack, for the former it is fine, for the second you will need to use external antennas and in any case it makes no sense to have four radios/eight antennas in a same spot.

What one could do at most in a rack is to have 1 L009 with the radio and 3 without, but the "real" use of a L009 with radio is a self-standing device (and in that use it could be useful to have the 5GHz radio) but there are already more suitable Mikrotik devices for that use (Ax2, Ax3) the only drawback being less ports, easily solved with an added small switch.

In any case, particularly with 5GHz, you need to distribute as much as possible the coverage with more access points, so having the "main" router being also a Wi-Fi device is becoming (IMHO) less common/useful (unless it is a small house/office that can be all covered by the single router Wi-Fi from its position, which often depends on where the ISP cable arrives), it seems to me increasingly common that the router is placed *somewhere* in a corner and Wi-Fi coverage is obtained through access points even in relatively small homes/offices.

The RB009 is a much more powerful device that comes in the same form factor of the L009 (4 can be mounted in i1U) in two models, both without radios, one with and one without PoE out.
 
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Re: L009 with no 5GHz wireless

Mon Feb 19, 2024 11:44 am

The fact both versions exist of L009, makes it the user responsibility to decide if they want to use it or not.
You don't have to. You have the choice.
MT definitely had it's reasons to release it with wifi, otherwise they would not have done it.
Similar issue with AX Lite, only 2.4Ghz AX wifi. AX Lite LTE, only 2.4GHz AX wifi.

The Tik device I use in the most flexible way is mAP. Only 2 Fast ethernet ports (not even Gigabit), only legacy 2.4GHz wifi. GREAT device for what it can do.

There are plenty of cases where only 2.4GHz is more then enough for what is needed.
The RB009 is a much more powerful device that comes in the same form factor of the L009 (4 can be mounted in i1U) in two models, both without radios, one with and one without PoE out.
Actually there are 2 form factors for RB5009 (and L009 took its case from RB5009, that latter one was released first long before there was even mentioning of L009).
There is also an outdoor version of RB5009, completely different package.
 
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Re: L009 with no 5GHz wireless

Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:17 pm

Sure, I was making fun at the idea, clearly promoted by the good Mikrotik guys about mounting 4 L009's with radios on a single 1U:
https://mikrotik.com/product/l009uigs_2haxd_in
L009UiGS-2HaxD-IN
L009 is more than just a router. This product line is up to 4 times faster than RB2011, it has a modern ARM CPU with container support, an innovative enclosure that allows mounting up to four routers in a single 1U space, more RAM, PoE, and 2.5G SFP support. This version comes with 2.4 GHz ax dual-chain wireless.
You can, but you shouldn't just because you can.
 
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Re: L009 with no 5GHz wireless

Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:20 pm

The earlier reply from MikroTik has been that the L009 is intended solely as the replacement for their most successful device ever, the RB2011.
Apparently there are still people buying that, and they wanted to introduce a replacement device with similar price and features.
When you require 5GHz, don't buy the L009 but select another device.
 
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Re: L009 with no 5GHz wireless

Tue Feb 20, 2024 2:44 am

The earlier reply from MikroTik has been that the L009 is intended solely as the replacement for their most successful device ever, the RB2011.
Apparently there are still people buying that, and they wanted to introduce a replacement device with similar price and features.
When you require 5GHz, don't buy the L009 but select another device.

I think 5G WiFi is very common nowadays.
Why not make the L009 as successful as its predecessor?
I don't get it. It seems like a poor decision to me.
 
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Re: L009 with no 5GHz wireless

Tue Feb 20, 2024 6:02 am

You'd be surprised how much brand-new designed appliances are being sold today only able to use 2.4GHz.
 
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Re: L009 with no 5GHz wireless

Tue Feb 20, 2024 8:13 am

The earlier reply from MikroTik has been that the L009 is intended solely as the replacement for their most successful device ever, the RB2011.
.... makes no sense. It's silly to not have put 5ghz in
I'm pretty sure people aren't buying the 2011 specifically because it DOESNT have 5ghz in it
Should the L009 have also had half its ports 100mbit just because its a 2011 replacement?
If its a true replacement why only 8 ports and not 10?

Times change, products improve and get better - or at least they should
Whilst its true that plenty of devices are still 2.4ghz and your weather monitor or cheap TV might do just fine, typically it's a mixed environment and not having 5ghz just gimps the laptop/phones that would substantially benefit from it (and further takes away from the 2.4ghz airspace, slowing down the slow devices even further)
 
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Re: L009 with no 5GHz wireless

Tue Feb 20, 2024 8:45 am

Answer is simple:

Price and product diversity.

There are
  • cheap C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD hAP ax3 with 2.4+5GHz WiFi with more RAM but less eth
  • cheap L009 with 2.4Ghz only but more eth
and so on ...

Thare are many topics like:
Perfect device FOR ME should have: 17xEth + 3 antenas + 3 x USB + 10GB RAM and 5x M.2 disk ports for ROSE ...

No way to satisfy all.
 
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Re: L009 with no 5GHz wireless

Tue Feb 20, 2024 10:22 am

No way to satisfy all.
Sure, but there's a big difference between not trying to satisfy everybody, and releasing total gimp....
.. Like should any device now ever be released with 10mbit ethernet ports? No absolutely not

2.4ghz is not quite on that level, and it has some justification in niche situations like low powered devices (such as a mAP which probably wouldn't get enough power from a USB port to power 2x radio chips properly) and real cheap nasty bottom end entry products. But are either of those really the L009? it's not that cheap nor some niche product. I'd be willing to bet if they released a L009+ or some such which had both 2.4 and 5ghz for $10-15 more, they'd sell almost none of the 2.4ghz only models
 
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Re: L009 with no 5GHz wireless

Tue Feb 20, 2024 11:42 am

Still: no way to satisfy all

There is 4011iGS+5HacQ2HnD-IN if you need both freq ...

You say 10-15$ more thay say better chassis means less WiFi ...
4011 has WiFi 5009 has more power

There is S53UG+M-5HaxD2HaxD-TC&RG502Q-EA if you want LTE + WiFi

IMHO really it's hard to make every possible configuration suitable for everyone and MT has sales reports and knows what is popular and portfolio is more (hope) or less (hope not) based on that.
 
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Re: L009 with no 5GHz wireless

Tue Feb 20, 2024 11:49 am

The earlier reply from MikroTik has been that the L009 is intended solely as the replacement for their most successful device ever, the RB2011.
.... makes no sense. It's silly to not have put 5ghz in
I'm pretty sure people aren't buying the 2011 specifically because it DOESNT have 5ghz in it
No, they are buying it because it costs ~$120 and has a lot of features.
Look, I am not on the MikroTik product specification board!
Apparently there is demand for such a product. I would not buy it either, or at most buy the version without WiFi for an installation where WiFi is not required or handled by other equipment.
There are always customers who first look at the last line of the product spec and make their decision based on that, rather than on many other factors.
 
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Re: L009 with no 5GHz wireless

Tue Feb 20, 2024 11:54 am

Still: no way to satisfy all

There is 4011iGS+5HacQ2HnD-IN if you need both freq ...
Whatever you do, do not buy that one!
When you install the modern WiFi driver it will work ONLY on 5 GHz and 2 GHz will become inoperative.
Also, it has no USB port so no way to expand storage. It has lots of RAM but no way to do anything with it (like running containers).

Hopefully we will see a similar "5011" device that has everything the 4011 has, but:
- supported 2 GHz WiFi controller
- USB port
- 2.5Gbit/s on at least the first 5 ports

Of course that would cost way more than the L009 so that one still has a valid space on the market.
 
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Re: L009 with no 5GHz wireless

Tue Feb 20, 2024 12:05 pm

L009 is for a very specific use case. We have a very large number of customers that keep buying RB2011 as they don't need/want 5GHz, but do need those few extra ports. L009 is a drop in replacement for those people. I get that other people (like in this thread) would like a similar device that looks like that and does something else, yes.

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