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RouterBOARD Groove

Tue May 24, 2011 9:12 am

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The Groove is our smallest outdoor series model - a fully featured RouterBOARD powered by RouterOS. Weatherproof, durable and ready to use. It has one 10/100 Ethernet port with PoE support and a built-in 200mW 802.11a/n wireless radio. With the Nv2 TDMA technology, 125Mbit aggregate throughput is possible!

The Groove features pole mounting points, so attaching to masts and round poles is really easy with a simple mounting loop.

The Groove 5Hn has a RouterOS Level3 license, so you can use it as a wireless client or for point to point links.

It has a built-in N-male connector, so you can attach it to an antenna directly, or use a standard antenna cable. LED signal indicators make it easy to install and align.

The price includes the Groove, mounting loops, PoE injector, power adapter.

The Groove runs RouterOS with all it’s features.
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Tue May 24, 2011 10:46 am

Is there ESD/Surge protection at Groove LAN port??
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Wed May 25, 2011 10:03 am

OK, I understand. No answer from MikroTik - no LAN port protection?!
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Wed May 25, 2011 10:23 am

It has typical diode matrix TVS protection. Precise max. TVS value will be available after complex ESD tests is done.
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Thu May 26, 2011 4:48 pm

I have some on order! Have some awesome applications for this, really excited...

mounting one to my truck as soon as i get some of them.

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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:46 am

I want to start changing couple of Ubnt Bullet's with Mtk Groove, but I have one question. It is written that groove has to be installed in vertical position with Lan port facing down. So, how can I use it with grid antenna that has N connector on back of it?
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:47 am

you can do that, the writing meant that the port shouldn't be pointing straight up.
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:54 pm

I am holding groove in my hand, and realy i am not sure that rain won't go in the groove through these four holes on back. Are you accepting warranty if groove get wed and die?
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Mon Jun 06, 2011 1:25 am

20cm of coax with connectors or this:
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:04 am

i'm interested if it's designed to mount directly to antenna (massive pcb?) or using a 'pigtail' (short LMR400) is recommended?
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:44 pm

What a pity to waste dBm's with short cable on the device which primary function is to connect directly to antenna. Solution is only good on omni or sector antennas. So, no good for "cpe"...
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:56 pm

What a pity to waste dBm's with short cable on the device which primary function is to connect directly to antenna. Solution is only good on omni or sector antennas. So, no good for "cpe"...
The N Male to N Female Right Angle Adapter has < 0.1dB Insertion Loss. Not really much to cry about. :)

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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:49 pm

right angle adapter is adapter ( i mean it's a piece of metal) and not cable, so has no tolerance about movement.

I tought (in view of device) it's the best to fix it onto the antenna mast and have some extra length on both UTP and Coax cable for movement
tolerance.
Think about the following case: a weighty bird is going to sit on the Groove, what screwed onto a panel antenna backside. All the weight will be carried by the PCB inside.
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:15 am

right angle adapter is adapter ( i mean it's a piece of metal) and not cable, so has no tolerance about movement.

I tought (in view of device) it's the best to fix it onto the antenna mast and have some extra length on both UTP and Coax cable for movement
tolerance.
Think about the following case: a weighty bird is going to sit on the Groove, what screwed onto a panel antenna backside. All the weight will be carried by the PCB inside.
Then it must be a Dodo bird but I believe that they are extinct.

Use the right angle adapter so the Groove is pointing down. Your giant bird will be sitting on the right angle adapter, not on the Groove. Or on the top edge of the panel. But more likely on the feed horn of the dish antenna feed horn or a yagi with no radome.

Fix the panel or antenna to the mast or tower. Let the Groove hang free on the right angle adapter. Attach the data cable to the mast or tower so it does not put stress on the Groove. Don't forget a drip loop or two.

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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:46 pm

WOOO!

Just got mine in! Will be playing around tomorrow.

Took a few shots already :D and ripped it apart... as you do :lol:


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Few more pic's on my blog: http://www.air-stream.org.au/MikrotikGroove5Hn

Going to be swapping a 7115Hn with this, so theory is it should perform exactly the same! :) Time will tell.
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:32 am

That heat sink is a work of art. It looks like a Harley J. Earle design -000- but I am pretty sure he died in '69.

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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:37 am

And now a b/g version would make a lot guys happy too!
At least I can then get rid of these bullets.

Anybody interest in 40+NS5's + a couple of NS5+NS2's?
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:39 am

And now a b/g version would make a lot guys happy too!
At least I can then get rid of these bullets.
First the 711-2Hn then I'm sure we'll see a Groove-2Hn :D
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:50 am

I want a Groove 2Hn with L4 license and mount 'em to a sector antenna.
Let see how they work or groove's jst a client end product :)
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:15 am

Well I've given it a shot in Direct-To-Dish mounting.

EDIT: Performance is equal, if not better than the RB711 setup, 10MB/s Up and 10MB/s Down. Fantastic Unit!
-Right at this moment we've noticed about a 20% decrease in RX performance to the RB711 that was on the same dish, but I stupidly forgot to test the RB711 just before swapping them, so I don't have an accurate comparison yet. But we'll see how it goes.

Also interested to see how this operates weather wise, we have some rain coming this week so hopefully I can break it and show that I shouldn't mount like this! :lol:

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Interestingly I attempted a Backup and Restore of config from the RB711 to the Groove and it didn't quite work 100%, but it was close enough.

Also weirdly, I can't get the Wireless Signal Strength LED's working. Its configured right in the LED section, but they don't light up... not sure what's happening there.

Again, more pictures on my blog: http://www.air-stream.org.au/MikrotikGroove5HnInstalled
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:09 pm

For those still not quite grasping the size of the Groove, here is a shot side-by-side with the Ubiquiti Bullet2 which a few people have come across in their travels as they have been out a while..

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Of course as soon as the Groove A-2Hn is release there will be a heap of Bullets on the market :D.. so come on Mikrotik!

More pics over at my blog again ;) -> http://www.air-stream.org.au/blog/shawn ... i-bullet-2

P.S. We are averaging 10MB/s through put in both directions (not simultaneously) with the Groove so far, and its currently pouring with rain and it hasn't failed .. yet ;) Go-Groove-Go!
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:57 pm

Yes, please. We need a 2.4GHz version of the RB711, the Groove, and the Omnitik! Please don't ignore the 2.4GHz market segment Mikrotik. And give them the strength, the power, and the sensitivity, that other makers seem to deliver.

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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:49 pm

Mikrotik -

What is your official position on a 2.4GHz Groove? I know I can't wait to get my hands on such a unit... Can we expect one in the near future?
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:34 am

Yes, we are waiting for 2,4GHz version.
And it should be an "Groove OEM version" for 2,4GHz and 5GHz - WITHOUT: package, mounting loops, PoE injector, power adapter.
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:42 am

Yes, we are waiting for 2,4GHz version.
And it should be an "Groove OEM version" for 2,4GHz and 5GHz - WITHOUT: package, mounting loops, PoE injector, power adapter.
funny but most people love that these things are included in the package without any additional charge (compared to other similar products).

yes, we are working on 2GHz models as well
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:04 am

get 'em out of the closet Normis. The market is waiting.
 
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Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:10 am

funny but most people love that these things are included in the package without any additional charge (compared to other similar products),
so it's calculated already in price, then version without should be cheaper...
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:39 am

It has typical diode matrix TVS protection. Precise max. TVS value will be available after complex ESD tests is done.
When tests are finished? Thanks
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:47 am

funny but most people love that these things are included in the package without any additional charge (compared to other similar products).
yes, we are working on 2GHz models as well
That's great that You including these things for free. Give us in one package 1 + 1 Groove Free ;)
Dont't be funny - these things are caltulated to overall price. Many times - we need only AP (Groove L4) for base station that it has own guaranted power supply to all devices. So - we don't need power supply and PoE injector.
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:48 am

if you choose between two products of similar price, and one of them has additional things - it's free. we will not reduce the price if we sell you only the groove device without package and accessories, as this requires change in manufacturing and packaging procedures.
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:54 pm

why will u want to keep out the POE and accessories. even if u have a self powered basestation etc u can still use spare adapters and POE at sites whr they go bad. u can increase ur backup inventory.
 
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Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:55 pm

why will u want to keep out the POE and accessories. even if u have a self powered basestation etc u can still use spare adapters and POE at sites whr they go bad. u can increase ur backup inventory.
Bulls eye! :idea:
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:14 pm

My "Backup inventory" of PoE-Injectors and Power Supplies is large and still grows...
I've got no need for separate PoE-Injectors and Power Supplies.
I use PoE-Injector Panels or PoE-modded RB750s instead.
This significantly lowers cabling mess, temperature and also space reqirements in the racks and cabinets.

I've got a station with over 24 PoE-driven Wireless links on it.
Imagine the mess in the cabinets if I'd have used a PSU with a separate PoE-Ijector for each link!
 
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Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:54 pm

What a pity to waste dBm's with short cable on the device which primary function is to connect directly to antenna. Solution is only good on omni or sector antennas. So, no good for "cpe"...
The N Male to N Female Right Angle Adapter has < 0.1dB Insertion Loss. Not really much to cry about. :)

Tom
As with any RF connector this insertion loss figure is calculated using a precise dummy load attached, in reality the loss will probably be 1 to 2db when inserted depending on frequency and what RF load it presents.
 
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Sat Jul 02, 2011 5:37 pm

My "Backup inventory" of PoE-Injectors and Power Supplies is large and still grows...
I've got no need for separate PoE-Injectors and Power Supplies.
I use PoE-Injector Panels or PoE-modded RB750s instead.
This significantly lowers cabling mess, temperature and also space reqirements in the racks and cabinets.

I've got a station with over 24 PoE-driven Wireless links on it.
Imagine the mess in the cabinets if I'd have used a PSU with a separate PoE-Ijector for each link!
can u show me a picture of your POE Injector and Power Supplies.
But yeah thr must be remote sites where poe's go bad ...neways u can sell them to the needy as well.
Companies have to go be rules and regulation with the packaging where they pay duties and VAT. EVery different product with different accessories makes a new item and new set of taxes and duties.

I do not advise Mikrotik to concentrate on managing those things.
Let them be good at the Routerboard and Router OS.
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:46 pm

You might have a look at this PoE Patch Panel.
http://www.i4wifi.eu/16-port-pasiv-poe- ... d2065.html

Power supplies aren't always the same.
It depends on power consuption, available space and type of power connection.
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:36 pm

Whow, this looks like an awesome device. Has anybody tested power consumption? I can see these babies running on small battery pack powered by solar panel ;)
 
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Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:56 pm

smaller batteries wld also mean more recycling.
 
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Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:05 pm

This PoE-Panel is just a passive device.
A power jack is located on the rear of it.

You'll need a power supply with this PoE-Panel.
You can use it with any voltage up to 50 volts.

The panel just distributes the power of your power supply to your hungry 24V PoE-powered devices.
 
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Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:20 pm

You might have a look at this PoE Patch Panel.
http://www.i4wifi.eu/16-port-pasiv-poe- ... d2065.html

Power supplies aren't always the same.
It depends on power consuption, available space and type of power connection.
I'm a little bit afraid of this panel. Think about power: 16x0.4A=6.4A. It's 4 pcs of PCB, what's daisy-chained.
First PCB should carry 6.4A from one side to other. 2nd 4.8A, 3rd 3.2A. I'm not sure, that PCB (and wire diameters) are designed for such load.
(and think about, that most of us use 24V instead of 48V - that's double Amper for same Wattage)

Of course, i not say that will not work, but i would connect those parts directly instead of daisy chain for first...
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:46 pm

Most of my Mikrotik devices drains no more than 6 watts.
This is 0.125A at 24V. This sums up to 4 Amps in total for 16 devices.
If you go for 28V instead 24V the current lowers under 4 amps.
 
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Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:14 am

Most of my Mikrotik devices drains no more than 6 watts.
This is 0.125A at 24V. This sums up to 4 Amps in total for 16 devices.
If you go for 28V instead 24V the current lowers under 4 amps.
Are you sure about the last statement?
If a routerboard requires 6W, will it consume 0.5A at 12V and 0.25A at 24V or will it also consume 0.5A at 24V and put out the extra 6W as heat?
 
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Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:20 am

from the Groove brochure
Consumption - Up to 0,19A at 24V (4.56W)
 
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Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:07 pm

Just use a continous regulatable power supply to confirm.
A Routerboard starts to work with 8V and will drain about 0.5 A
When you push the voltage to 12V the current drops to 0.33 A
If you further push the voltage to 24V the current is as low as 0.17 A
 
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Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:35 pm

does anybody have a picture of the whole kit? I'd like to see what PoE is included, also maybe to see what the power supply looks like
 
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Sun Jul 17, 2011 6:30 am

Successfully tested a 16 km link with Groove at both ends.
24 dbi mini grid antenna. Across a river almost 2 km wide.
Signal -68/70. CCQ = 65/68. Pthroughput = 7000 approx.
Bandwidth test shows 3 mbps.
 
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Mon Aug 01, 2011 1:02 pm

I love the groove , just started using them they really are great, no more fuss with extra enclosures, really fast setup, and a lot better then the BULLET
 
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Wed Aug 03, 2011 11:55 am

I love the groove , just started using them they really are great, no more fuss with extra enclosures, really fast setup, and a lot better then the BULLET
You must have been comparing them, groove and bullet. What do you think makes the groove so much better?

Not that I believe in ubnt's bullets. Not at all. But I am not having grooves in use yet so would like to know why these should be so much better than the bullet.
 
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Sun Aug 21, 2011 7:44 pm

I love the groove , just started using them they really are great, no more fuss with extra enclosures, really fast setup, and a lot better then the BULLET
You must have been comparing them, groove and bullet. What do you think makes the groove so much better?

Not that I believe in ubnt's bullets. Not at all. But I am not having grooves in use yet so would like to know why these should be so much better than the bullet.
Nice one :))

Have 6-7 bullets-links no one is under 60-70mbit real TCP
no problems at all stable and powerful
In aether side groove have better OS 1milion futures (I start using SXT all I can say is wow NanoStation5 is not even nearly good as SXT)
but most important is speed
What is the max TCP throughput of groove?
What do u meen 125mbit aggregate speed?
 
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Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:49 am

groove has 100MBps ethernet interface, so, you can saturate that, and then still have some upload left (25MBps).
 
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Mon Aug 29, 2011 3:44 pm

janisk's example is just a funny way to explain that "aggregate" means "up- and download traffic combined" in this aspect. :)
 
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Mon Aug 29, 2011 3:59 pm

guys, so nobody knows what 100Mbit full duplex means?
 
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"duplex": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duplex_%28 ... cations%29
"aggregate": http://www.collinslanguage.com/results. ... =aggregate

We all know what it means. The example was only a bit funny. :)
 
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Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:27 pm

groove has 100MBps ethernet interface, so, you can saturate that, and then still have some upload left (25MBps).
i can never reach 100Mbps in my setups, even at very close range < 2km, good clean area (no noise), max i get is 80mbps (oneway)TCP, 95Mbps UDP (oneway), once i have it running on both, bandwidth drops to half (about 45mbps + 45Mbps => worst on TCP).

Any tips to make it 100Mbps (ethernet speed)?

here is my 5km test result:
http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=54368
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:40 am

go for NV2 for TCP throughput.
 
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:41 pm

Just giving this thread a bump...

Normis: Is there a 2.4Ghz version of the groove in the pipeline? Near term?


8) - would appreciate any info (getting tired of having to assemble cpe's!)
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:02 am

one tip for you - watch the MUM live stream
 
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or attend MUM in Vegas... same country.
 
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Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:39 am

hi there, does anyone knows how to make the groove AP to show signal LEDS?,

the STA is OK...showing the singnal leds

ros 5.7

to AP.... LEDs

Type:wireless signal strenght
led1,led2,led3,led4,led5

interface:wlan1

what I`m doing wrong?

I have also tryed to Type: modem signal... but the leds than stay ON all the time regarding the signal strenght...even if I turn off the STA... the LEDs on AP will stay on in this mode... and like I said... using on Type: wireless signal strenght ... the LEDs does not lit at all.


PS: I really like the groove so far, comes with power adapter 24v 0.8Ah, poe injector and 2 plastic strips, and yes... it is more cheap than the bullet m5hp witch comes with none of those... and not to mention the runing software with is 10000000 years more advanced than the AirOS witch comes to ubiquiti... ooooo and .. the VOLTAGE MONITOR witch is WHAT every one who runs a solar site NEEDS!....not to forget the beeper witch plays mario theme on startup :P
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Sun Oct 16, 2011 1:41 am

We have a 4 links with Groove HW. 40Mhz with Nstreme ccq 80-90% max 70mbps (50ms ping) ccq falls on 50%....personaly I expected more
 
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Sun Oct 16, 2011 12:46 pm

We have a 4 links with Groove HW. 40Mhz with Nstreme ccq 80-90% max 70mbps (50ms ping) ccq falls on 50%....personaly I expected more
Try nv2 nstreme And you Will have more speed
 
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Re: Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Sun Oct 16, 2011 12:53 pm

hi there, does anyone knows how to make the groove AP to show signal LEDS?,

the STA is OK...showing the singnal leds

ros 5.7

to AP.... LEDs

Type:wireless signal strenght
led1,led2,led3,led4,led5

interface:wlan1

what I`m doing wrong?

I have also tryed to Type: modem signal... but the leds than stay ON all the time regarding the signal strenght...even if I turn off the STA... the LEDs on AP will stay on in this mode... and like I said... using on Type: wireless signal strenght ... the LEDs does not lit at all.


PS: I really like the groove so far, comes with power adapter 24v 0.8Ah, poe injector and 2 plastic strips, and yes... it is more cheap than the bullet m5hp witch comes with none of those... and not to mention the runing software with is 10000000 years more advanced than the AirOS witch comes to ubiquiti... ooooo and .. the VOLTAGE MONITOR witch is WHAT every one who runs a solar site NEEDS!....not to forget the beeper witch plays mario theme on startup :P
And no one knows this? How to make the ap to show signal leds??????

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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Sun Oct 16, 2011 1:56 pm

using NV2 = max 3mbps ccq 5% and time out :?
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Sun Oct 16, 2011 2:03 pm

Uhm, is there anyway to make N devices to work with 40Mhz (G-Turbo) band?
 
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Sun Oct 16, 2011 3:23 pm

choose 20/40Mhz on AP device. or did you mean 802.11G ? 2,4G?
 
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Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:21 pm

me Like Mikrotik
 
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Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:38 am

using NV2 = max 3mbps ccq 5% and time out :?
Bad config or link.
 
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Re: Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:42 am

hi there, does anyone knows how to make the groove AP to show signal LEDS?,

the STA is OK...showing the singnal leds

ros 5.7

to AP.... LEDs

Type:wireless signal strenght
led1,led2,led3,led4,led5

interface:wlan1

what I`m doing wrong?

I have also tryed to Type: modem signal... but the leds than stay ON all the time regarding the signal strenght...even if I turn off the STA... the LEDs on AP will stay on in this mode... and like I said... using on Type: wireless signal strenght ... the LEDs does not lit at all.


PS: I really like the groove so far, comes with power adapter 24v 0.8Ah, poe injector and 2 plastic strips, and yes... it is more cheap than the bullet m5hp witch comes with none of those... and not to mention the runing software with is 10000000 years more advanced than the AirOS witch comes to ubiquiti... ooooo and .. the VOLTAGE MONITOR witch is WHAT every one who runs a solar site NEEDS!....not to forget the beeper witch plays mario theme on startup :P
And no one knows this? How to make the ap to show signal leds??????
Well, probably because it is in AP mode.... What signal do you want? AP usually has several stations connected, so how does AP knows which signal to show? So it is useless feature and thus probably not available in software.
Go to your register tab in wireless to see the signal strength of each associated client.
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:56 am

what did you mean bad config? :lol: Nstreme with frame policy best fit on 4000, signal -64/-64 ccq is cca 80% registration rate 100-150mbps (changing) in BT UDP test 60mbps then ccq fall on 50%.

bullet M5 HP on this link is going on 90mbps no problem....

Any ideas? What I shlould change in config? Or try?...any ideas? thanks
 
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Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:41 pm

contact support@mikrotik.com with the support output file where the speed is low.
Try to use rate-selection=advanced (us only with the latest versions, currently, v5.7).
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:12 pm

Send BT test is going about 50-60mbps .....(ccq fall on 50%)
In this receive BT test ccq is so good 80-90%, ping 30ms but it wil stop on 73mbps... why? ccq is good, CPU is only on 40%...
I tried advanced data rates...no change.
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Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:21 pm

Try specifying the speed in Btest rather than letting it scale. Uldis mentioned this in his wireless presentation at MUM the other day.
 
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Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:38 pm

receive test with 100/100m
send test is the same but with 91mbps and 30ms ping
Maybe I need better signal? :shock:
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Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:44 pm

What's the CPU utilisation of the remote end?
 
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Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:56 pm

I think, same like on this side???
 
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Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:15 pm

it is good idea to check both ends, since there can be different problems with wireless links.
 
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Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:29 pm

Is there anybody with groove link? I mean somebody with BT test over 100mbps :)
 
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Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:57 pm

what did you mean bad config? :lol: Nstreme with frame policy best fit on 4000, signal -64/-64 ccq is cca 80% registration rate 100-150mbps (changing) in BT UDP test 60mbps then ccq fall on 50%.
...

Did you try lower than 4000? or any other frame policy?

The ccq has to be over 90%.

Please give more details about the link.

- Distance?
- Line of Sight - clear fresnel zone?
- Antennas?
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Tue Oct 18, 2011 7:44 pm

no, I have 3999 (advice from internet forum)

distance 3km, JIROUS JR24 vs. JIROUS JR29

can you recommend me any other frame policy?

Fresnell is not very clear but is ?Line of sight? I see other side..
 
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Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:38 pm

choose 20/40Mhz on AP device. or did you mean 802.11G ? 2,4G?
yes any 802.11G, 2.4Ghgz or 5Ghz, ie:

N device to connecto to an AP with 802.11G (40Mhz or g-turbo)
 
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Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:02 pm

no, I have 3999 (advice from internet forum)

distance 3km, JIROUS JR24 vs. JIROUS JR29

can you recommend me any other frame policy?

Fresnell is not very clear but is ?Line of sight? I see other side..
I prefer using 32dBi antennas (solid dish or 80cm satellite dish + 5GHz feeder) and use lower tx power.

Also i have seen more stable results with best fit and 3200.
 
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Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:01 am

thanks for advice :idea: I will try..
 
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Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:23 am

groove is 802.11n device, it does not support turbo modes (40MHz channel) for 802.11a and 802.g modes.


What you can do on AP is select 5ghz-a/n mode and then choose 20/40MHz channel width. As result clients will connect using 802.11a to 20 MHz channel and other client will be able to connect using 5GHz 802.11n and use 40MHz HT channel.

turbo mode is not the same as 40MHz HT channel.

also, why not to use 802.11n? more data at same channel width.
 
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Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:10 am

why not to use 802.11n? more data at same channel width.
because, there are currently many sites that already on turbo mode and all of their clients are turbo enabled (not supporting 802.11n).

hmm seems like we to have to stick with Rb411 and R52/R52H ....
and hoping they are not discontinued very soon.
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:00 am

yeah, after align antenna I have -53/-53 ccq + - 100%..

BT test groove-groove 97mbps Receive / 97mbps send....of coutre Nstreme best fit 3999 .
Now I have a question, can groove generate more data? over 97mbps? because it stops on 97mbps....ccq is still 100%, ping 1-10ms where is the problem? 8)
 
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Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:10 am

yeah, after align antenna I have -53/-53 ccq + - 100%..

BT test groove-groove 97mbps Receive / 97mbps send....of coutre Nstreme best fit 3999 .
Now I have a question, can groove generate more data? over 97mbps? because it stops on 97mbps....ccq is still 100%, ping 1-10ms where is the problem? 8)
You should run a throughput test between 2 units that are connected to each end of your groove-groove link. This way the CPU of these external units produce the data and the groove's only have to pass the traffic. Now you can really 'see' how much your link can carry.
Probably you run into 100% cpu capacity if you have the groove also produce the data stream....
 
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Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:46 am

propably you are right...
 
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yeah, after align antenna I have -53/-53 ccq + - 100%..

BT test groove-groove 97mbps Receive / 97mbps send....of coutre Nstreme best fit 3999 .
Now I have a question, can groove generate more data? over 97mbps? because it stops on 97mbps....ccq is still 100%, ping 1-10ms where is the problem? 8)
nice, have you tried tcp?
mine never hit any greater than 75mbps in tcp(one way), UDP has been 97-98mbps.
using nv2, ccq 100%, ping varies from 2-15 (nv2 characteristic), Signal -54/-58.

btw there's no point chasing after something over 100mbps, cos its ether only works on 100Mbps (upto) :D
 
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Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:20 pm

You only have 100M FD connection don't you? ;-)
 
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Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:16 pm

I dont have got enough HW to do TCP test. Behind groove there is only UBNT M5 sector. But now groove works perfectly. Primary the groove L3 is cheaper than ubnt bullet M5 HP and result is same. 8)
 
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Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:28 pm

are groove and Ubiquiti bullet 5m compatible with each other?
Does the mimo technology yet?
 
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Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:09 am

Propably in 802.11a ....I think thats not a good idea....
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:19 pm

I found this site, the groove can not communicate with the bullet 5M.
I will regret if I want to gradually switch to the groove.
A wonderful device.

http://www.wirelessinfo.be/Link-testen/ ... /index.htm
 
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Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:19 am

I found this site, the groove can not communicate with the bullet 5M.
I will regret if I want to gradually switch to the groove.
A wonderful device.

http://www.wirelessinfo.be/Link-testen/ ... /index.htm
It can, you only have to set both as legacy 802.11a device. Ubnt airmax or MT-NV2 is both propietary TDMA which means in that mode they cannot.
But in legacy they have to comply with the IEEE 802.11a standard and thus they can...
 
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Re: RouterBOARD Groove

Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:50 am

If i use groove for point to point 10km which antenna is suitable Omni Or Grid . And how much dbi antenna wanted
 
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Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:52 am

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