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Quickset (new in v5.12)

by normis » Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:57 am

Announcing Quickset, the easy way to configure a new router. Starting from v5.12, new SXT, RB711 and RB411 devices will have Quicket - just plug in your ethernet cable, open 192.168.88.1 and you will see a very easy to use interface to set the most basic settings for your router. If anything is missing, just go to the regular webfig and delve into the powerful RouterOS configuration.

Features:

- currently supports RB411, RB711 and SXT CPE devices
- automatically logs into devices with admin/no password
- quickly see list of available APs and their signals
- quickly align the station, by instantly seeing the signal graph of selected device
- quickly set up/down speed by selecting from dropdown (or type custom speed, ex 128K)
- can set basic WAN/LAN settings
- also featured in Winbox

Perfect for ISPs installing CPE devices at the customer location. Click click and you're done!

Please test it (a system reset on any of the mentioned devices should bring up the Quickset menu) and let us know your thoughts, suggestions and problems.

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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by hapi » Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:17 pm

UBNT style :-(

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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by normis » Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:19 pm

hapi wrote:UBNT style :-(


Why and where? Full webfig is still available on the same page, we have not reduced functionality, just added a easy interface as an addition.
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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by butche » Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:36 pm

Not for me, but it looks like many will find it useful. Suggestion: Add checkbox option to remove the built-in input firewall on these devices. You may want to go a bit further than that with the firewall, but still that is an option that would be needed.
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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by lyxnafis » Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:59 pm

I've got one RB411 and one RB411A (level 4).
Quickset exists only on RB411 !!! Isn't 411A a 411?

P.S. Probably an " OR 411A" on hardware check is missing...
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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by normis » Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:02 pm

RB411A has an AP license, it's not a CPE unit.
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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by lyxnafis » Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:06 pm

normis wrote:RB411A has an AP license, it's not a CPE unit.

that figures..

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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by mapunda » Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:15 pm

Please add pppoe client configuration. It will be easy for our technicians to configure pppoe in CPEs

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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by normis » Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:16 pm

Basically this is a new feature, we are starting by adding support only to three specific models listed above. We will see the response from you all, and will roll out updates, and more supported models in next versions. Let us know what you think!
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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by normis » Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:16 pm

mapunda wrote:Please add pppoe client configuration. It will be easy for our technicians to configure pppoe in CPEs


thanks for suggestion! what settings do you usually configure? interface, user/pass and service name? of if PPPoE is always on the WAN port, maybe user/pass is enough (use empty service name)?
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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by rmukhtarov » Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:32 pm

Any plans to support RB751G-2HnD

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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by mapunda » Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:37 pm

normis wrote:
mapunda wrote:Please add pppoe client configuration. It will be easy for our technicians to configure pppoe in CPEs


thanks for suggestion! what settings do you usually configure? interface, user/pass and service name? of if PPPoE is always on the WAN port, maybe user/pass is enough (use empty service name)?


PPPoE is always in WAN port (Wireless interface) and we usually configure interface (Wlan), user/pass. Service name is empty

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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by normis » Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:42 pm

rmukhtarov wrote:Any plans to support RB751G-2HnD


this will have AP quickset, which is still under development. any suggestions?
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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by maxstel » Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:12 pm

normis wrote:
mapunda wrote:Please add pppoe client configuration. It will be easy for our technicians to configure pppoe in CPEs


thanks for suggestion! what settings do you usually configure? interface, user/pass and service name? of if PPPoE is always on the WAN port, maybe user/pass is enough (use empty service name)?


For us, just service name would be great...
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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by cybercoder » Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:27 pm

sorry to say this but i should say:
may be it is very useful for newbies but hopeless for professionals.
it is like fast foods. (eat and run)!
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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by normis » Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:39 pm

cybercoder wrote:sorry to say this but i should say:
may be it is very useful for newbies but hopeless for professionals.
it is like fast foods. (eat and run)!
and psychologically like ubnt airOS! :?


but then don't use it. it's not forced, just an optional menu
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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by cybercoder » Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:54 pm

i know you worked hard on it and that was not induction, just my idea.
please don't be upset from me normis.
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by c0d3rSh3ll » Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:52 pm

why not all rb support this feature??

is more easy for noob an begginers
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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by alijoker » Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:38 pm

this additional option maybe useful for newbies but not the professionals as the brother said
so its not make so much different
by the way ,,,
i had some problem with the version 5.11 , when i reset the configuration the routerboard still keeping the old user name and passwords
should i use the console cable to reset the passwords?
and why it changed like this in this version?

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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by O1DMBFan » Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:39 pm

normis wrote:thanks for suggestion! what settings do you usually configure? interface, user/pass and service name? of if PPPoE is always on the WAN port, maybe user/pass is enough (use empty service name)?



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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by Aveyer » Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:33 pm

Can you please add this to the RB750GL and RB450G too? and perhaps to the whole series.

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by wildbill442 » Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:54 pm

Looks good

+1 for basic PPPoE options..

All my configs and i think most other users would require user/pass, null service name field, add-default-route, use-peer-dns...

As for usefulness, I think its great, not all my field techs have a solid understanding of TCP/IP or Router OS... Making it easy for them to install and align is a good idea. Previously I just wrote a script to handle Router/Bridge mode configs and showed them how to import.

I like the graphed signal level as well...

This is also good if you setup a login for the client, it could aide in making the customer more self sufficient in troubleshooting problems or changing configs based on customer needs.
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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by rodneal » Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:49 pm

Hey Normis,
Great idea! Will be very interested on how this matures over time!
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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by normis » Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:51 am

we can't "Put this" on other models yet, because each model needs a different configuration. This is created for CPE (a device in wireless station mode, which connects to an AP to get internet). RB750 doesn't do that, so same configuration can't be applied.

We will have different quickset for each type of device.
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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by WirelessRudy » Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:09 pm

normis wrote:RB411A has an AP license, it's not a CPE unit.
What license covers beeing an AP but not a CPE? Is AP function not higher scale than CPE?

And by the way, quickset works fine on my rb133C1's I have. The only I saw is that althoug dhcp-server was already configured in 5.11 the 5.12 didn't recognize it. Only after ticking the box on and off the dhcp-server was disabled whereafter I could enable it by ticking the box on again. (All in winbox).
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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by normis » Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:14 pm

License level 3 is CPE. Level 4 or above is AP.

The quickset is not meant for universal configuration. The one we released with v5.12 is "CPE quickset" for devices that we make specifically as CPE devices (SXT, Groove, RB711 etc). Quickset can't guess what you intend to do with your device. Other configuration must be done from the normal Webfig interface.

when the QuickSet AP version will be ready, on the AP boards you will be able to switch to the CPE version if you wish.
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by Boundless » Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:46 pm

Very nice feature for newbies like me. Thnx for that. But please make it for RB751...

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by normis » Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:49 pm

Boundless wrote:Very nice feature for newbies like me. Thnx for that. But please make it for RB751...



yes we will
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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by rmukhtarov » Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:04 pm

normis wrote:
rmukhtarov wrote:Any plans to support RB751G-2HnD


this will have AP quickset, which is still under development. any suggestions?


I don't have any suggestions, yet but any new development will be great for Mikrotik users IMHO

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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by WirelessRudy » Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:22 pm

normis wrote:License level 3 is CPE. Level 4 or above is AP.

The quickset is not meant for universal configuration. The one we released with v5.12 is "CPE quickset" for devices that we make specifically as CPE devices (SXT, Groove, RB711 etc). Quickset can't guess what you intend to do with your device. Other configuration must be done from the normal Webfig interface.

when the QuickSet AP version will be ready, on the AP boards you will be able to switch to the CPE version if you wish.
The original question of lyxnafix was:
I've got one RB411 and one RB411A (level 4).
Quickset exists only on RB411 !!! Isn't 411A a 411?
I was also thinking that the architecture of both would be the same exept for the license level.
Basically what happens during installing 5.12 the installation process looks at the license level to decide to install Quick set or not? Is this the case?
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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by WirelessRudy » Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:54 pm

For starter this Quick set so far is useless... let me explain:

I install it on a rb711-5Hn that is mend to be a CPE unit...
Before it was running on 5.11 but I did a sys reset and accepted default config after fist boot after this.

Thus, after installing 5.12 I have a virgin version running on a rb711-5Hn that I am intent to use in my network.
Now I look in the Quick set and see the unit is scanning..... but nothing comes up!
Why..?
Well, looking in the wireless config I see why:
1. SSID is default "MikroTik". I am not using that and neither does anybody else exept MT I presume. So it will never find a network with such name and others are not mentioned.
2. Country is not set. Meaning unit only scans these channels available in default setting. Europe 5Ghz upper band is not available now, which is the only one to be used outside in Europe! So in Europe this feature would be useless without pre-use adjustments in the config.
3. Channel width is set to "20/40 HT Above". Now this can become the fashion, but many networks nowadays also use 10Mhz bandwith to avoid interferences.

So, the Quikset window should at least ask user the country it is in and the SSID should be erased in the config. (Or make one like "any" as works in ubnt stuff. This should be part of the default config anyway.)
Last feature would be to ask for the bandwith the radio is to work in... (and the band if a a/b/g/n card? So 2,4 or 5Ghz)

In regard to the last option, I found now that running a scan on a CPE initiated over the wireless interface in this Quickset menu breaks the connection (obvious) but it comes back! Great, meaning now a scan initiated over the wireless can accidentily be run without permanentily loosing communication to that unit! Great. Next step is to arrange the scan actually performs the scan and show us the resulted info after unit comes back on line. Now (also in the winbox wireless initiated scan) after the unit comes back the scan window produces an error. And this error even comes back after I closed and re-opened scan window! I needed to reboot the device to get rid of it!

Conclusion: Yes, a great function but it definately needs some tweaking and adjustment from you guys to make it usefull for the dummy and than a succes! :D

Further more I would suggest that apart maybe from the PPoE funcionality not too many other settings should be add otherwise it just becomese another GUI which we already have in winbox/webfig
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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by normis » Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:10 am

1. SSID is default "MikroTik". I am not using that and neither does anybody else exept MT I presume. So it will never find a network with such name and others are not mentioned.


in wireless client mode, SSID has no meaning. it will scan all stations, and SSID will be changed only after you click connect.

2. Country is not set. Meaning unit only scans these channels available in default setting. Europe 5Ghz upper band is not available now, which is the only one to be used outside in Europe! So in Europe this feature would be useless without pre-use adjustments in the config.


you are right, we will add country setting

3. Channel width is set to "20/40 HT Above". Now this can become the fashion, but many networks nowadays also use 10Mhz bandwith to avoid interferences.


I see no proof for that. In that case, there are lots of specific things that you "could" have in your network. We can't account for them all.

Basically what happens during installing 5.12 the installation process looks at the license level to decide to install Quick set or not? Is this the case?


no, it looks at model, just like said above
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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by crazyhacker » Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:21 pm

Quickset is a great idea! Please create it for rb750 and rb751. A lot of beginners will be able to buy these models if they will be easy to configure.

a common task is: connect to ISP (static/dynamic ip, ppoe, vpn), setup of ip-tv, port forwarding (for games, torrents etc.), to configure the access point (SSID, password, output power)

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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by normis » Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:12 pm

back the scan window produces an error. And this error even comes back after I closed and re-opened scan window! I needed to reboot the device to get rid of it!


can you show us this error, and describe how to repeat this issue?

Further more I would suggest that apart maybe from the PPoE funcionality not too many other settings should be add otherwise it just becomese another GUI which we already have in winbox/webfig


yes. we are working to add only very important things that are needed to make initial config. currently quickset works best on brand new devices, but of course - there are no devices yet with v5.12 preinstalled.
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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by Swordforthelord » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:24 am

I think this new feature has tremendous potential, and I had some thoughts for non-wireless devices like the 750, 450, 1100, etc...

My experience is mostly with the 750's that have a working basic configuration out of the box. However, a quickset that would create a dual or multi-wan scenario, with each interface being individually configured and with options for load-balancing or failover and so on, would be fantastic. In these situations, I know exactly what the client needs but I cannot seem to wrap my head around the mangle rules to make it happen.

Additionally, the ability for the quickset to create more advanced protective firewall rules would be great as well. Things like shutting down a DOS attack, or a port scan, brute force attack, etc. Maybe even some basic QOS as well.

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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by samsung172 » Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:24 am

I can confirm that we use a lot of 10mhz to clients. I have been working with a lot of ISP's, and know about 10.000 clients running in 10mhz mode.
wireless protocol = any
frequenymode = superchannel
band = 10 mhz.
scanlist = xxxx,xxxx

+pppoe

what about a branding feature who can make some default settings to the default menu?

today we have a step1 step 2 config, make it easy to configure. Step1 is a default config to all clients to same ISP. (different isps have different settings like pass, encryption, snmp etc etc) Step 2 is client spesific config to spesific user.
step1 make the client to connect to a default ssid (INSTALL) with a pppoe default user/pass, and open a connection to our web server. The engineer at the customer then get access to the webserver, (nothing more in step 1) and tell the databse Im now at customer XXXX . there i found best signal to SSID yyyyyyy then the server make a 4 line config to paste into mikrotik, and step2 config (witch actually is a script) calculate values like ip, ssid, pppoe user/pass etc. (also updating the database with connection to dns, radius, snmp polling etc)

its a really nice setup, but takes a lot of time in production to configure the clients. (open all packages and install script + routeros XXX (You guys always change just small bits in different routeros versions, make maintaining the scripts like a horror) A step 0, branded, would be a really nice feature, and access to a easy website to make easy config.



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1. SSID is default "MikroTik". I am not using that and neither does anybody else exept MT I presume. So it will never find a network with such name and others are not mentioned.


in wireless client mode, SSID has no meaning. it will scan all stations, and SSID will be changed only after you click connect.

2. Country is not set. Meaning unit only scans these channels available in default setting. Europe 5Ghz upper band is not available now, which is the only one to be used outside in Europe! So in Europe this feature would be useless without pre-use adjustments in the config.


you are right, we will add country setting

3. Channel width is set to "20/40 HT Above". Now this can become the fashion, but many networks nowadays also use 10Mhz bandwith to avoid interferences.


I see no proof for that. In that case, there are lots of specific things that you "could" have in your network. We can't account for them all.

Basically what happens during installing 5.12 the installation process looks at the license level to decide to install Quick set or not? Is this the case?


no, it looks at model, just like said above

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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by NoName » Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:05 pm

I don't think quickset is implemented okay, at least in ros5.14 on rb711-5hn. I belive the IP address should be linked with bidge device (bridge1) and not with ether1-local device. In case I manually set the IP on bridge1 and delete the one on ether1-local, quickset doesn't recognize the IP address at all.
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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by sergejs » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:54 am

NoName, please give more information about steps used to get the same problem.

Do you use Winbox and Quikset simultaneously?
I've discovered the following using Webfing and Winbox,
- delete IP address by Winbox;
- IP address removed from Webfig too;
- IP address added by Winbox,
there is nothing displayed on Webfig, as it is not refreshed;
- click on 'router' and back to 'bridge' , IP address will be displayed in Webfig.

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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by NoName » Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:05 pm

sergejs, I'm using winbox and quickset (I think the only other way of using quickset is via webfig - I have webfig disabled)

I'm not sure it's wise for me to delete the IP address whatsoever as I'd be unable to connect to RB (RB711-5Hn doesn't have a serial port)...

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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by sergejs » Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:23 pm

NoName,

I didn't get the problem. I assume you do not like IP address added to ether1 (that was configured to bridge).
I do not see problem there,
- IP address added to Ether1.
- Ether1 is part of the bridge.
- When Ether1 is removed.
Router still has working IP address on Ether1,
otherwise when IP address would be configured on bridge, IP on the bridge becomes inactive.

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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by Chupaka » Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:10 pm

earlier it was said that after adding interface as a port of bridge, you must reassign IP address(es) from that interface to the bridge for normal functioning - isn't it true in latest versions of ROS? =)
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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by janisk » Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:42 am

Chupaka wrote:earlier it was said that after adding interface as a port of bridge, you must reassign IP address(es) from that interface to the bridge for normal functioning - isn't it true in latest versions of ROS? =)


AFAIK only true if you add dhcp-server on the bridge interface. for other cases you will see that /ip address will show interface and actual-interface attributes.

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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by Chupaka » Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:23 pm

janisk wrote:AFAIK only true if you add dhcp-server on the bridge interface. for other cases you will see that /ip address will show interface and actual-interface attributes.

true. I saw it in ipv6 addresses earlier, and WinBox do not show ipv4 actual-interface, so I didn't notice that you changed ipv4 behaviour also :)
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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by stewartpe » Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:30 pm

Feature Request-Bandwidth Control:
I control the bandwidth on the LAN port so I can still do updates, monitoring, etc. of the CPE at full WLAN speeds.
Would you please switch the Quickset bandwidth control from WLAN to LAN?

Same request for upcoming AP Quickset- my AP's also provide LAN to the house they are mounted on.

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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by ahang » Sat Mar 17, 2012 1:16 am

Good feature (Quickset), But What's is difference between Router and Bridge in this Quickset, I mean when should I select Router and When should I select Bridge ?
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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by janisk » Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:24 pm

that depends on your goals when you create your network. There is no definite answer as there are good points and bad ones for each of the ways.

you can look up in our manual wiki.miikrotik.com topics about bridging and about routing.

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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by ditonet » Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:42 pm

Yesterday I've installed ROS 5.15rc1 on my RB433AH. In this version Quickset for RB433AH is introduced.
This RB has two wireless interfaces and is not possible to select which one is configured using Quickset.
Dropdown list with available wireless interfaces will be nice feature.

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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by Chupaka » Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:05 pm

janisk wrote:There is no definite answer as there are good points and bad ones for each of the ways.


"friends never let friends bridge their networks" xD
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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by hapi » Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:45 pm

Why is the QuickSet menu at the top of Winbox? A function that is used only once? Incomprehensible.

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Re: Quickset (new in v5.12)

by ymartin » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:29 pm

I'm using RB751U-2HnD with "Quick Set" v5.15.

Idea is great but seems completely buggy here.
Every time I use it, it change parameters in "Address menu", DHCP... etc.

How to deactivate it?
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