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by NathanA
Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:21 pm
Forum: Virtualization
Topic: Metarouter images
Replies: 352
Views: 210736

Re: Metarouter images

Even MetaROUTER running RouterOS inside of itself seems to be a long-abandoned concept. The problems with stability are endemic to MetaROUTER itself and don't have anything to do with the OpenWRT patches. There are so many unaddressed stability bugs that affect MetaROUTER both on mipsbe and ppc that...
by NathanA
Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:29 am
Forum: General
Topic: RB2011 kind of bricked after update
Replies: 4
Views: 184

Re: RB2011 kind of bricked after update

Correct, if reset button is pressed while power is applied, backup bootloader is used instead of main bootloader. If RouterOS boots fine when you do this, what this actually tells us is that it's the bootloader that is corrupt, not RouterOS. And Netinstall does not fix the bootloader. So Netinstalli...
by NathanA
Sun Aug 12, 2018 6:44 am
Forum: General
Topic: Unable to upgrade
Replies: 3
Views: 121

Re: Unable to upgrade

What does the log say after reboot?

You downloaded the upgrade file for the *correct* architecture that matches this model? https://download.mikrotik.com/routeros/ ... 6.42.6.npk
by NathanA
Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:32 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Hap AC2 RAM [SOLVED]
Replies: 13
Views: 443

Re: Hap AC2 RAM [SOLVED]

After doing some Googling and reading through the official MikroTik kernel patches, I suspect it is at least in part related to this: https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/4/18/50 https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/10347459/ To expand on the posts above, Qualcomm SoCs have a built-in hardware feature called Tr...
by NathanA
Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:31 am
Forum: General
Topic: Hap AC2 RAM [SOLVED]
Replies: 13
Views: 443

Re: Hap AC2 RAM [SOLVED]

No, seriously - it is hard to understand why would any software incorrectly detect 233MB instead of 256MB. ` No, seriously, it actually isn't that hard. What if it's not a detection issue but part of upper memory has to be reserved for something else and so that part isn't even reported by the kern...
by NathanA
Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:28 am
Forum: General
Topic: Hap AC2 RAM [SOLVED]
Replies: 13
Views: 443

Re: Hap AC2 RAM [SOLVED]

That's fine. In the meantime, I was responding to the actual question that the two people who posted before you (including the one who started this particular thread) were asking. So to say that I "missed the topic" when you were the one either hijacking the thread or misunderstanding the original p...
by NathanA
Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:16 am
Forum: General
Topic: Hap AC2 RAM [SOLVED]
Replies: 13
Views: 443

Re: Hap AC2 RAM [SOLVED]

I think you missed the topic. :) This is more about 256M boards reporting 233M. This is not new to the hAP as2, it happens quite a bit, even more on the CCR's. I don't know about other threads, but in THIS thread, the two people who posted before you said: First one, after quoting the changelog ent...
by NathanA
Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:55 am
Forum: General
Topic: Hap AC2 RAM [SOLVED]
Replies: 13
Views: 443

Re: Hap AC2 RAM [SOLVED]

Some manufactured hAP ac2 (maybe all of them at this point?) come with 256MB of RAM instead of the stated 128. Presumably the 128MB chips were unavailable at the time of the manufacturing run so rather than hold up production, they stuck a little more on so that they could get them out the door. MT ...
by NathanA
Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:41 am
Forum: RouterBOARD hardware
Topic: Hex-s brick. Need help!
Replies: 1
Views: 156

Re: Hex-s brick. Need help!

Winbox should show you what IP address the router has, does it not? Or are you trying to get to the web interface and taking stabs in the dark about its IP address? If so, why not use Winbox instead? Did you Netinstall with "Keep old configuration" unchecked? There are two types of "default" configs...
by NathanA
Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:39 pm
Forum: RouterBOARD hardware
Topic: Bricked RB750
Replies: 8
Views: 327

Re: Bricked RB750

Fairly sure that all of the following information is present in available official documentation. However, for the sake of those here having trouble, I'll try to summarize: On the computer you are going to use for Netinstall, disable ALL network interfaces (including Wi-Fi) EXCEPT for the ethernet p...
by NathanA
Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:33 am
Forum: RouterBOARD hardware
Topic: how to upgrade the software of the RB532
Replies: 10
Views: 355

Re: how to upgrade the software of the RB532

I am guessing you are trying to use the same package files that you have upgraded RB4xx with to upgrade your RB532. You can't do that. RB532 has a different CPU architecture than RB4xx, so you need to download the appropriate package file for that CPU architecture , not just re-use the same one you ...
by NathanA
Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:47 pm
Forum: RouterBOARD hardware
Topic: Serial console on RB450Gx4 not working
Replies: 4
Views: 300

Re: Serial console on RB450Gx4 not working

I suspect you're missing something, but at this point I couldn't say what. Everything looks fine to me, and it "works for me". Even if your RouterOS config wasn't right, you should still be seeing output on the serial port from RouterBOOT (bootloader) during board power-up (also @ 115200bps). If you...
by NathanA
Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:56 am
Forum: RouterBOARD hardware
Topic: Serial console on RB450Gx4 not working
Replies: 4
Views: 300

Re: Serial console on RB450Gx4 not working

If the gender changer is just straight-through and not null-modem/crossover, not sure if it will work or not... (I really should take some time to examine the cables I'm using more closely. They are not clearly labeled and I'm honestly not sure how they are wired up.) Serial console settings & featu...
by NathanA
Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:54 am
Forum: General
Topic: Weird boot failure
Replies: 3
Views: 157

Re: Weird boot failure

There are two possibilities that come to my mind: 1. The main bootloader is corrupt, and when you're depressing the reset button for a certain length of time, you are triggering the backup bootloader. 2. You managed to set the default boot mode to something like Netboot instead of Internal Flash / N...
by NathanA
Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:50 am
Forum: RouterBOARD hardware
Topic: RB850Gx2 vs RB450Gx4
Replies: 49
Views: 3983

Re: RB850Gx2 vs RB450Gx4

RouterOS support for PPCs will go on for a while even after the last board ceases to be manufactured, if history is any guide. MIPS-LE boards stopped being manufactured years before RouterOS officially discontinued software upgrade support for those models. So you should be pretty safe. MetaROUTER o...
by NathanA
Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:17 am
Forum: RouterBOARD hardware
Topic: RB532 on 6.10 fail
Replies: 8
Views: 334

Re: RB532 on 6.10 fail

try netinstall with a switch between your PC and the routerboard Please read the whole thread first. He can't even get the serial console to work so that he can reconfigure RouterBOOT to boot from network. It will be impossible for him to Netinstall until he figures out what is wrong on his end wit...
by NathanA
Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:09 am
Forum: RouterBOARD hardware
Topic: RB532 on 6.10 fail
Replies: 8
Views: 334

Re: RB532 on 6.10 fail

Having a serial cable plugged into the 532 should have no effect on the boot process. You will still hear a beep. The only reason why you wouldn't hear a beep is if you interrupted the boot process by pressing a key. If you plug a serial cable in and suddenly it doesn't beep when you power it on, th...
by NathanA
Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:19 am
Forum: RouterBOARD hardware
Topic: RB532 on 6.10 fail
Replies: 8
Views: 334

Re: RB532 on 6.10 fail

If it is beeping, then the board itself (hardware) is alive, as is RouterBOOT (bootloader). To use Netinstall on a 532, you really need to get the serial console working. If you tried a cable and got nothing, then you either have the wrong cable, or are using the wrong settings. Try a straight-throu...
by NathanA
Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:00 pm
Forum: RouterBOARD hardware
Topic: RB532 on 6.10 fail
Replies: 8
Views: 334

Re: RB532 on 6.10 fail

You really don't want to run 6.x on a 532. Very poor performance. There is a reason why MT's software download page now only lists 5.26 as the last officially-supported version on this hardware. Not (necessarily) related to what happened in your particular case, but if you end up Netinstalling to re...
by NathanA
Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:02 pm
Forum: RouterBOARD hardware
Topic: RB952Ui/hAP Lite, full POE voltage range?
Replies: 8
Views: 365

Re: RB952Ui/hAP Lite, full POE voltage range?

Everything vecernik87 has stated here is 100% accurate. ...that said, though MikroTik (to my knowledge) doesn't make one, there do exist in-line 3af-to-passive adapters that will allow you to power (many/most) passive-PoE devices from a 3af/3at-compliant switch. It is, of course, not guaranteed that...
by NathanA
Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:36 am
Forum: Virtualization
Topic: HOWTO: Dual-booting RouterOS and OpenWRT on RouterBoard
Replies: 20
Views: 9316

Re: HOWTO: Dual-booting RouterOS and OpenWRT on RouterBoard

Hi caiot5, If you could make it work with Debian on x86 in a similar way, I'm sure it would be doable with OpenWRT. You wouldn't even need a working/bootable OpenWRT kernel, since you'd be running RouterOS...you would just need the OpenWRT userland to live on the second partition. I have no interest...
by NathanA
Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:00 am
Forum: RouterBOARD hardware
Topic: Why has the size of HDD decreased in hAPac^2?
Replies: 1
Views: 299

Re: Why has the size of HDD decreased in hAPac^2?

I don't think this is MikroTik's fault. They source their flash chips from multiple vendors, and it would appear that one of them measures capacity in base-10 megabytes, and another measures capacity in base-2 megabytes ("mebibytes", or MiB). This problem has existed with storage for YEARS, primaril...
by NathanA
Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:50 pm
Forum: RouterBOARD hardware
Topic: Mikrotik with SIP port integrated
Replies: 6
Views: 499

Re: Mikrotik with SIP port integrated

For the record, if a modem/router is going to have a "VoIP" combination built into it that combination is going to be based on SIP. ` Oh, for sure. The main point is that you don't call an analog T/R voice jack a "SIP port". :D If this feature were to ever appear on a RouterBoard, though, protocol ...
by NathanA
Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:56 pm
Forum: RouterBOARD hardware
Topic: RB850Gx2 vs RB450Gx4
Replies: 49
Views: 3983

Re: RB850Gx2 vs RB450Gx4

None with clear mind would destroy internal nand by dude database. ` True. ` better option and cost effective: hAP ac2 + USB drive 10 us costly than rb750gr3 but with 2 wifi included and far more cpu power to move traffic in spite of the dude cpu usage, ` The CPU may or may not be better than the m...
by NathanA
Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:31 am
Forum: RouterBOARD hardware
Topic: RB850Gx2 vs RB450Gx4
Replies: 49
Views: 3983

Re: RB850Gx2 vs RB450Gx4

Isn't 750Gr3 more cost effective as dude server than 450gx4? ` You're right, I forgot that MMIPS can run Dude server. However, you will need to purchase and add storage for this in the form of a microSD card, whereas the Gx4 has 512MiB of NAND flash already. (Likely you could get a 2GiB microSD for...
by NathanA
Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:51 pm
Forum: RouterBOARD hardware
Topic: RB850Gx2 vs RB450Gx4
Replies: 49
Views: 3983

Re: RB850Gx2 vs RB450Gx4

As far as I can tell, from a processing power perspective, the two SoCs that hAP ac^2 and RB450Gx4 use (IPQ4018 and IPQ4019) are basically identical. I suspect the only reason that 450Gx4 uses the 4019 is for the SD card interface. Unless you have specific needs that the Gx4 meets (like microSD slot...
by NathanA
Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:44 pm
Forum: RouterBOARD hardware
Topic: Mikrotik with SIP port integrated
Replies: 6
Views: 499

Re: Mikrotik with SIP port integrated

You mean "FXS" port, not SIP port. FXS is the side of an analog line that delivers dial-tone and ring voltage, etc. SIP (for call signalling; RTP is for the actual audio) is the protocol that (most) VoIP services speak over IP. But there are many protocols other than SIP that a "VoIP-to-analog adapt...
by NathanA
Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:39 pm
Forum: RouterBOARD hardware
Topic: RB850Gx2 vs RB450Gx4
Replies: 49
Views: 3983

Re: RB850Gx2 vs RB450Gx4

So, now that you have "corrupted" ( :lol: ) the 400-series with a non-MIPSBE CPU, you are faced with the challenge of efficiently communicating this on the ROS download page. Right now, if I am the proud owner of a new RB450Gx4, and I go to this page, I'm being told I need to download the MIPSBE pac...
by NathanA
Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:38 am
Forum: RouterBOARD hardware
Topic: RB1100Dx4 Crashing constantly
Replies: 3
Views: 269

Re: RB1100Dx4 Crashing constantly

In addition to autosupout.rif -- assuming that it is even being generated -- another thing that might help MT support to diagnose is if you hooked a serial cable up to the console port and tried to capture any output that might be getting written to the console when the kernel panic occurs. If you c...
by NathanA
Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:19 am
Forum: General
Topic: recovery RB450G
Replies: 1
Views: 162

Re: recovery RB450G

TFTP is only for netboot. NPK files are not bootable images, they are for installation only, therefore trying to feed the bootloader a NPK file via TFTP is not going to do you any good. The bootable image used for Netinstall is built into the Netinstall application, and is no good by itself...it has...
by NathanA
Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:58 pm
Forum: Virtualization
Topic: OpenWrt for ARM-based RB1100AHx4
Replies: 6
Views: 864

Re: OpenWrt for ARM-based RB1100AHx4

There is no MetaROUTER for RouterOS ARM platforms. Do you see a "/metarouter" tree on the RouterOS CLI for your AHx4, or a "MetaROUTER" config option within Winbox for this model? Thought not. You might be able to eventually build OpenWRT for the SoC in the 1100AHx4, but it is going to have to run b...
by NathanA
Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:44 pm
Forum: General
Topic: SIP client cannot re-register in the SIP server after switching ISP (different NAT) [SOLVED]
Replies: 38
Views: 1905

Re: SIP client cannot re-register in the SIP server after switching ISP (different NAT) [SOLVED]

@NathanA, your scenario really smells like a RouterOS bug, so support@mikrotik.com. If counting the connection timeout up actually has some special meaning, it should be stated in the documentation, which is not the case. ` Agreed, it smells like a bug. But I'm not the first one to encounter it and...
by NathanA
Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:25 pm
Forum: General
Topic: SIP client cannot re-register in the SIP server after switching ISP (different NAT) [SOLVED]
Replies: 38
Views: 1905

Re: SIP client cannot re-register in the SIP server after switching ISP (different NAT) [SOLVED]

rarylson's is indeed a fantastic post and description of how UDP NAT works. However, it does not explain all of the failure states with this that I have encountered. (Besides, as ZeroByte rightly counters, ROS is so far the only routing platform that I have encountered with this issue.) There is a s...
by NathanA
Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:02 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: Significant improvement for wireless Nv2 PtMP
Replies: 239
Views: 30081

Re: Significant improvement for wireless Nv2 PtMP

Now that's really really funny. So they have invented software upload... Hah, I'm not sure where you pulled that quote from, but what they were undoubtedly referring to was the fact that it's an FPGA-based radio head ("software-defined radio"). So to use an example that you could relate to, this wo...
by NathanA
Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:03 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: Significant improvement for wireless Nv2 PtMP
Replies: 239
Views: 30081

Re: Significant improvement for wireless Nv2 PtMP

Even some LTE networks use TDD based TDMA. Which LTE networks? Seriously? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTE_(telecommunication)#History_of_LTE-TDD Each LTE "band" is designated by definition to be either FDD or TDD: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTE_frequency_bands We run a LTE-TDD Band 43 network ...
by NathanA
Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:29 pm
Forum: RouterBOARD hardware
Topic: RB850Gx2 vs RB450Gx4
Replies: 49
Views: 3983

Re: RB850Gx2 vs RB450Gx4

To keep you guys busy with speculations :D
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:lol:

-- Nathan
by NathanA
Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:30 pm
Forum: RouterBOARD hardware
Topic: RB850Gx2 vs RB450Gx4
Replies: 49
Views: 3983

Re: RB850Gx2 vs RB450Gx4

Another question: if series has nothing to do with CPU architecture, then why wasn't RB3011 instead called RB2011x2?

-- Nathan
by NathanA
Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:39 pm
Forum: RouterBOARD hardware
Topic: RB850Gx2 vs RB450Gx4
Replies: 49
Views: 3983

Re: RB850Gx2 vs RB450Gx4

...We have a wiki article about it:... ` But wait a minute, that wiki article existed back when RB850Gx2 was released, and was more-or-less the same back then as it is now, so... ` No, they haven't :) They are product series. Unrelated to architecture. [...] In the past, when naming scheme was not ...
by NathanA
Wed May 23, 2018 2:10 pm
Forum: RouterBOARD hardware
Topic: RB850Gx2 vs RB450Gx4
Replies: 49
Views: 3983

Re: RB850Gx2 vs RB450Gx4

The new products sound great, but I wish MT would stop taking model #s that mean one thing and twisting them to mean another. It's confusing. Please be consistent. RB1xxx has always meant PowerPC. Likewise, RB4xx has always meant MIPSBE. So RB1100AHx4 is nonsensical (expectation is PPC), as is RB450...
by NathanA
Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:37 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: Advisory: Vulnerability exploiting the Winbox port [SOLVED]
Replies: 204
Views: 94057

Re: Advisory: Vulnerability exploiting the Winbox port

It has loooooong been known that ROS stores passwords using reversible encryption instead of hashes, and I'm surprised it has taken this long for this to get changed: http://manio.skyboo.net/mikrotik/ On the other hand, when you are the one that set the password and you can't log in to your own rout...
by NathanA
Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:53 am
Forum: General
Topic: Any plans to make cross-platform WinBox?
Replies: 33
Views: 1729

Re: Any plans to make cross-platform WinBox?

I find parts of this discussion funny since Webfig is practically a web version of Winbox as it is. You can even call up a windowed terminal in Webfig! The main thing that could not be implemented in a web version is the "MAC-Winbox" protocol, which is a killer feature that I use all the time. For t...
by NathanA
Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:57 am
Forum: Announcements
Topic: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested
Replies: 48
Views: 6901

Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

We operate a band 42/43 (soon be combined into a single band 48, under new CBRS rules) network in the USA, and would love to see cost-competitive CPE options from MikroTik for this band. Not just for the cost reasons, but also for the flexibility that RouterOS would bring (and also because we are fa...
by NathanA
Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:49 pm
Forum: General
Topic: RouterOS making unaccounted outbound winbox connections [SOLVED]
Replies: 60
Views: 11890

Re: RouterOS making unaccounted outbound winbox connections [SOLVED]

So far my testing show that only mipsbe devices are getting exploited. Anyone notice other architectures affected? I haven't, though fully-fleshed example exploits of this vulnerability were released for both mipsbe and x86 earlier this month, and Hajime supports mipsbe, x86, and arm, so it is at l...
by NathanA
Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:42 am
Forum: General
Topic: RouterOS making unaccounted outbound winbox connections [SOLVED]
Replies: 60
Views: 11890

Re: RouterOS making unaccounted outbound winbox connections [SOLVED]

Please make a security release for those old, but perfectly working boards on mipsle! In my experience, the last version of RouterOS to work *well* on RB532 was 5.x. :( When I upgrade a 532 to 6.x it starts acting like a RB100-series board that has just been upgraded from 2.9 to 3.x or anything new...
by NathanA
Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:48 pm
Forum: General
Topic: RouterOS making unaccounted outbound winbox connections [SOLVED]
Replies: 60
Views: 11890

Re: RouterOS making unaccounted outbound winbox connections [SOLVED]

I finally got my hands on an infected device, spent some time with it, and can confirm that this appears to be Hajime, as maznu mentioned earlier. I haven't been able to catch the infection happening live yet, but I am now pretty confident that this is exploiting the old web server vuln that was alr...
by NathanA
Sun Mar 25, 2018 9:38 pm
Forum: General
Topic: RouterOS making unaccounted outbound winbox connections [SOLVED]
Replies: 60
Views: 11890

Re: Aggressive RouterOS worm infecting our network?? [SOLVED]

Normis, I'm in the middle of some other things at the moment but me see what I can do about remote access for you in a bit here. Do you want me to just e-mail support@ or message you some other way? srosen, Interesting. I don't think HTTP is the vector (though I could be wrong), mostly because I don...
by NathanA
Sun Mar 25, 2018 12:39 pm
Forum: General
Topic: RouterOS making unaccounted outbound winbox connections [SOLVED]
Replies: 60
Views: 11890

Re: Aggressive RouterOS worm infecting our network?? [SOLVED]

use netinstall for fresh start and keep update your version. :roll: Thanks. It's not like I don't know how to do a Netinstall. But we are potentially talking about a few hundred devices here. Anyway, the real question is not how to recover from it, but what this worm is precisely, and how to protec...
by NathanA
Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:03 am
Forum: General
Topic: RouterOS making unaccounted outbound winbox connections [SOLVED]
Replies: 60
Views: 11890

RouterOS making unaccounted outbound winbox connections [SOLVED]

I haven't seen any chatter about this on these forums or elsewhere... Just tonight we discovered a multitude of RouterOS devices on our network -- mostly customer devices, so far only observed on MIPS architecture -- that appear to be infected with something. The routers themselves are generating hu...
by NathanA
Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:33 am
Forum: Virtualization
Topic: MetaRouter performance/througput another ROS ?
Replies: 1
Views: 503

Re: MetaRouter performance/througput another ROS ?

I have never attempted to measure it in terms of throughput performance, but there is definitely a performance hit with even a single MetaROUTER guest, and even if that guest is doing zero work. And this performance hit significantly affects the host, too, because it turns out that if you are runnin...
by NathanA
Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:02 am
Forum: Virtualization
Topic: openwrt in METAROUTER as DHCP server
Replies: 1
Views: 464

Re: openwrt in METAROUTER as DHCP server

What you did sounds completely reasonable to me, and I would expect that to work. Have you made sure that networking between the guest and host is working at the most basic level? (e.g., set a static IP on the OpenWRT guest, set an IP in the same subnet on the bridge interface of the host, and ping ...
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