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by cohprog
Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:34 am
Forum: Wireless Networking
Topic: LHG 60G experience
Replies: 534
Views: 50871

Re: LHG 60G experience

I found that post and thought, -50db is not good for 400m... If -50db is o.k.: Do you have any idea, why I do not get a stable tx-phy-rate, although RSSI is good? I tried different channels, beta-firmware and stable-firmware, with and without beam-forming. I am also confused, that RSSI is the same ...
by cohprog
Fri Nov 23, 2018 11:59 pm
Forum: Wireless Networking
Topic: LHG 60G experience
Replies: 534
Views: 50871

Re: LHG 60G experience

Hi!

Today, I tried to install my first LHG 60G - with not so much success...

399m, perfect LOS. No rain.
RSSI is only -48 NO MATTER, if it is really centered or no, NO matter which frequency. I could not get more than -48.
And what kind of RSSI do you expect at this distance?!? o.O
by cohprog
Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:42 pm
Forum: Wireless Networking
Topic: wAP 60G experience
Replies: 279
Views: 33007

Re: wAP 60G experience

I would try spraying the unit with something that could make it water repellent. PTFE (Teflon®) lubricant might be effective. I would give it a test just in case. ;) Yeah but you have to renew the coating every few weeks... I can't say I would be looking forward to it especially as it's most needed...
by cohprog
Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:49 pm
Forum: Wireless Networking
Topic: wAP 60G experience
Replies: 279
Views: 33007

Re: wAP 60G experience

A radome makes no difference to 60Ghz with rain. With snow it might. But not with rain. It's the amount of rain drops that consume and reflect the radio energy over bigger distances that make the attenuation too big. I also have ML antenas and replace them all by LHG60G since they are so much more ...
by cohprog
Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:34 pm
Forum: Wireless Networking
Topic: wAP 60G experience
Replies: 279
Views: 33007

Re: wAP 60G experience

A 1/2.5/5/10Gb ethernet interface would be great as it would work on most existing cables. (I have 10Gb over 30m of cat5e cable, not even cat6) But even before such interface, I would like a better antenna with radome so that 1km+ links would be stable under heavy rain or snow. Under best conditions...
by cohprog
Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:07 pm
Forum: Wireless Networking
Topic: wAP 60G experience
Replies: 279
Views: 33007

Re: wAP 60G experience

There is no point having MCS12 when we are limited by GigE interface. Also reducing modulation speed to get more channels would be nice, there is no point wasting entire current 2GHz channel to serve a few 100Mbit/s clients.... Oh, and by the way, you want 500Mhz channel and don't see why MCS12 wou...
by cohprog
Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:54 pm
Forum: Wireless Networking
Topic: wAP 60G experience
Replies: 279
Views: 33007

Re: wAP 60G experience

Channel widths could be Hardware problem but no regulation problem! The larger antenna is the larger range + Radom LARGE antenna LHG XL 60 GHz 550mm ( LHG 60Ghz 330mm ) the range with the 600mm antenna would be over 8km Right, 500hz width channel at 66Ghz+ frequency with 50+ EIRP for the win! Seems...
by cohprog
Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:21 am
Forum: Wireless Networking
Topic: wAP 60G experience
Replies: 279
Views: 33007

Re: wAP 60G experience

There is no point having MCS12 when we are limited by GigE interface (I'm sure current hardware can do it, but there is no point why go that high). Instead of making cheap 100Mbit/s CPEs, Mikrotik should release SFP+ version or something like wired 5Gb/s. Also reducing modulation speed to get more ...
by cohprog
Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:31 pm
Forum: Wireless Networking
Topic: wAP 60G experience
Replies: 279
Views: 33007

Re: wAP 60G experience

When will we get MCS12? :D

1300 meters link with latest Metrolinq firmware:

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by cohprog
Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:42 am
Forum: Wireless Networking
Topic: LHG 60G experience
Replies: 534
Views: 50871

Re: LHG 60G experience

So does this mean if I have it @ 200m or 20m I should see -20db? When I was testing in our office (we can get up to 25m) I was only ever able to get them to -49db, at 426m I am sitting around -58db on the 58320 frequency. With the dish (LHG60G)? Should probably be around -30/-35. At 400m, it should...
by cohprog
Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:04 pm
Forum: Wireless Networking
Topic: LHG 60G experience
Replies: 534
Views: 50871

Re: LHG 60G experience

I'm just want to share my experience with PtP W60G link. We've deployed this link about 45 days ago. Since then we have experience HEAVY rain (2 days non-stop) and light snowing. Link hasn't disconnected once and lowest MCM was 6. I've read that people have problems with allignment but we all have ...
by cohprog
Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:15 am
Forum: Wireless Networking
Topic: LHG 60G experience
Replies: 534
Views: 50871

Re: LHG 60G experience

cohprog,

What monitoring software is that?

Zabbix. There is no pre-made template for LHG60 but it's easy to do one. (there is a script that will do a snmpwalk and generate a Zabbix template based on it)
by cohprog
Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:50 pm
Forum: Wireless Networking
Topic: LHG 60G experience
Replies: 534
Views: 50871

Re: LHG 60G experience

Sure the ML is within allowed EIRP ...
The Metrolinq has certification.
by cohprog
Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:05 pm
Forum: Wireless Networking
Topic: LHG 60G experience
Replies: 534
Views: 50871

Re: LHG 60G experience

60Ghz signal drop very fast with distance because it's absorbed by oxygen so even links that are very near to each others don't interfere much. I didn't try with LHG60 but I didn't had any problem running 2 Metrolinq back to back on the same channel (and they don't have gps synch).
by cohprog
Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:49 am
Forum: Wireless Networking
Topic: Wireless Wire (RBwAPG-60ad) two pairs teamed for redundancy
Replies: 3
Views: 582

Re: Wireless Wire (RBwAPG-60ad) two pairs teamed for redundancy

Yes, you can use 2 wAP60 or LHG60 at the same location on different channels. Personally, I use ospf in point-to-point mode for routing over the different links and provide failover. If you don't want to do routing and use switch only, can't you just use LACP or STP? Naturally, if the connection dro...
by cohprog
Thu Aug 02, 2018 1:02 am
Forum: General
Topic: LHG 60 project in Hawaii
Replies: 98
Views: 18759

Re: LHG 60 project in Hawaii

I am using Zabbix but there is many other tools. I don't think there is official templates for LHG60 or Metrolinq but it's easy enough to make one. (There is a perl script "mib2zabbix.pl" that will do a snmpwalk and generate a template with all the values for Zabbix). There is templates for other Mi...
by cohprog
Thu Aug 02, 2018 12:07 am
Forum: General
Topic: LHG 60 project in Hawaii
Replies: 98
Views: 18759

Re: LHG 60 project in Hawaii

Agreed, radome are not a problem. This is a 1.3Km Metrolinq link during a thunderstorm. Signal dropped when it started to rain a lot and came back up right when the rain lessened. The water on the radome didn't affected the signal at all. Only the density of the rain between the two antenna.
by cohprog
Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:03 am
Forum: Wireless Networking
Topic: LHG 60G experience
Replies: 534
Views: 50871

Re: LHG 60G experience

We aligned it based on tx-sector-info (more specifically, one device was aligned by the LEDs indicators on the device, the other was aligned from the terminal because the LEDs drove me crazy).

Try to align based on the RSSI. You should be able to get a much better signal.
by cohprog
Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:00 am
Forum: Wireless Networking
Topic: LHG 60G experience
Replies: 534
Views: 50871

Re: LHG 60G experience

Did you aligned based on the tx sector info or the rssi? Imho, result is better when using rssi. The sector info randomly vary from "center" to +/- 2 degree in my case. With the wAP60, it's a lot worse: over 50m, the sector info vary by +/- 20 degree or so.
by cohprog
Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:47 am
Forum: Wireless Networking
Topic: LHG 60G experience
Replies: 534
Views: 50871

Re: LHG 60G experience

Distance: 1166.37m
Frequency: 64800
RSSI without rain: -56

Just had a thunderstorm: lost the connection 5-6 times in 20 minutes.
by cohprog
Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:35 am
Forum: Wireless Networking
Topic: Wire 60 - through the trees
Replies: 6
Views: 737

Re: Wire 60 - through the trees

If 5Ghz is not going through then 60Ghz wont either.
by cohprog
Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:48 pm
Forum: Wireless Networking
Topic: LHG 60G experience
Replies: 534
Views: 50871

Re: LHG 60G experience

I cant believe the LHG Antenna is so much lower gain. I would expect no more than 3db difference which would be huge. But I dont have any data. @MT could you please step in with some facts/data on Antenna Gain / TX Power. Considering how easy it is to set-up a LHG link "by sight", I am not really s...
by cohprog
Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:04 pm
Forum: Wireless Networking
Topic: LHG 60G experience
Replies: 534
Views: 50871

Re: LHG 60G experience

What is your tx-power setting for lhg60? I guess this makes the signal difference. How should I know? Mikrotik didn't gave any information about those devices. In Europa, the max EIRP authorized is 55 dBmi with an antenna gain that need to be at least +30 dBi. Metrolinq has a TX power of 14 dBm. An...
by cohprog
Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:42 pm
Forum: Wireless Networking
Topic: LHG 60G experience
Replies: 534
Views: 50871

Re: LHG 60G experience

Something weird I noticed: It stopped raining since around 30 mins and suddenly the LHG60 link dropped to MCS 1 even with a good RSSI (-55 dBm): frequency: 64800 mcs: 1 phy-rate: 385.0Mbps signal: 20 rssi: -55 tx-sector: 41 tx-sector-info: left 1 degrees, up 0.6 degrees rx-sector: 96 distance: 1166....
by cohprog
Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:36 pm
Forum: Wireless Networking
Topic: LHG 60G experience
Replies: 534
Views: 50871

Re: LHG 60G experience

First thunderstorm of the weekend. Here is the results: LHG60 link: Length: 1166m Frequency: 64800 RSSI no rain: -55 to -58 dBm Rate no rain: 2.3Gbps Metrolinq 2.5 60-35 link: Length: 1290m Frequency: 64800 RSSI no rain: -45 dBm Rate no rain: 2.5Gbps Both links are in the same area so have the same ...
by cohprog
Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:30 pm
Forum: Wireless Networking
Topic: LHG 60G experience
Replies: 534
Views: 50871

Re: LHG 60G experience

The dish sizes of Metrolinq 35 and LHG60 are quite the same. LHG is a bit wider. So I guess the RSSI difference is due to different TX power or different measurement of the chipset. The mesh antenna might be a factor but not that big. Would be interesting to compare how both modulate down with dist...
by cohprog
Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:02 pm
Forum: Wireless Networking
Topic: Wireless Wire/LHG 60 distance - expected signal
Replies: 14
Views: 3756

Re: Wireless Wire/LHG 60 distance - expected signal

LHG60: Side A: frequency: 64800 mcs: 8 phy-rate: 2.3Gbps signal: 85 rssi: -55 tx-sector: 55 tx-sector-info: right 1.4 degrees, up 1 degrees rx-sector: 96 distance: 1166.34m Side B: frequency: 64800 mcs: 8 phy-rate: 2.3Gbps signal: 80 rssi: -58 tx-sector: 56 tx-sector-info: left 1.4 degrees, up 1.4 d...
by cohprog
Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:51 pm
Forum: Wireless Networking
Topic: LHG 60G experience
Replies: 534
Views: 50871

Re: LHG 60G experience

Just installed a LHG 60G link: Distance: 1160m Alignment based on RSSI and not on led or TX sector info: I could systematically gain 4-5 dbm over a "center" TX sector value. As some people pointed out, we really need to be able to disable beam forming for alignement: Sure, beam forming can compensat...
by cohprog
Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:55 pm
Forum: Wireless Networking
Topic: 60Ghz 2.4km - possible?
Replies: 41
Views: 5117

Re: 60Ghz 2.4km - possible?

I would go licensed at this distances. Dependent on country you dont pay much license cost for a 100MBit link as you need only a small channel. Look e.g. for an older Gear like SAF Lumina. You also might do 24GHz/100MBit with a SAF Freemile. Or Ubiquiti AF24 (1.4Gbps) or AF24HD (2Gps). 24Ghz is unl...
by cohprog
Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:50 pm
Forum: Wireless Networking
Topic: 60Ghz 2.4km - possible?
Replies: 41
Views: 5117

Re: 60Ghz 2.4km - possible?

Is it an unobstructed path ? 2,4Km link is a very short distance for clear path , unless 60GHz devices have some intrinsic limitation (they are 802.11ad devices)..... 60Ghz is right in the oxygen absorption band. Which mean that the signal will drop very fast with distance. 2.5Km is very long range...
by cohprog
Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:39 pm
Forum: Wireless Networking
Topic: 60Ghz 2.4km - possible?
Replies: 41
Views: 5117

Re: 60Ghz 2.4km - possible?

we have installed our first LHG 60 ghz link and we are very surprised: 1809.48m and we get 2.3Gbps..WOW1800m 2.3Gbps.png
And -65 RSSI.... now wait for a little rain and see what happen.
by cohprog
Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:23 pm
Forum: Wireless Networking
Topic: LHG 60G experience
Replies: 534
Views: 50871

Re: LHG 60G experience

I have some Ignite links. I never get calculates values. Often they fluctuate or are far off. Their scope is crap (enough for a first shot but far from beeing exact) and a lot of their gear need to be replaced. So dont expect from wifi-based cheap gear to match the calculations (as you get with exp...
by cohprog
Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:40 pm
Forum: Wireless Networking
Topic: LHG 60G experience
Replies: 534
Views: 50871

Re: LHG 60G experience

With this kind of gear and this pricing it is best to do some labour and test it for yourself. Do a testlink and see how it behaves and how the signals fluctuate with rain/snow. Sorry but that's not a good enough excuse not to provide any information. Depending where you are located, it's not that ...
by cohprog
Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:47 am
Forum: Wireless Networking
Topic: LHG 60G experience
Replies: 534
Views: 50871

Re: LHG 60G experience

You don't need to calculate anything. The distance limit is specifically indicated. If you have clear line of sight, link will work. 60GHz is completely different from 2GHz, so the traditional calculators will not be useful. Over a few hundred meters, 60Ghz links are heavily dependent of rain condi...
by cohprog
Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:33 pm
Forum: Wireless Networking
Topic: Wireless Wire/LHG 60 distance - expected signal
Replies: 14
Views: 3756

Re: Wireless Wire/LHG 60 distance - expected signal

@cohprog thanks for the info. May i ask your experience in those rainy days over Metrolinq? We just got some big storms. I have those lines since 10 months or so and never got disconnected even during storms. The worse I got was a drop in rate from 2.5Mbps to 1.2Mbps (each direction) for a few minu...
by cohprog
Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:52 pm
Forum: General
Topic: LHG 60 project in Hawaii
Replies: 98
Views: 18759

Re: LHG 60 project in Hawaii

I don't understand TX / RX sector values? Which side to align, and what are these values represent? How to align AP side if there is no info about aligning? I think the "tx-sector-info" mean that the other antenna is in that direction. "Left 1.4 degrees" mean that you should turn the antenna by 1.4...
by cohprog
Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:45 pm
Forum: General
Topic: LHG 60 project in Hawaii
Replies: 98
Views: 18759

Re: LHG 60 project in Hawaii

First (i think that is first :)) LHG 60G in Croatia linked today...picture and results below. We would like to have more info about signal/allignment, and if is results that we have OK or it must be better (signal and speed). -69 dB @ 1.3Km? Urgl... I don't know if that's normal for LHG60 at this d...
by cohprog
Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:23 pm
Forum: Wireless Networking
Topic: Wireless Wire/LHG 60 distance - expected signal
Replies: 14
Views: 3756

Re: Wireless Wire/LHG 60 distance - expected signal

wAP 60G: frequency: 58320 mcs: 8 phy-rate: 2.3Gbps signal: 80 rssi: -58 tx-sector: 35 tx-sector-info: center rx-sector: 96 distance: 44.94m But since the last firmware update, the tx-sector-info is all over the place (changing from "center" to +/- 27 degree in both horizontal and vertical axis) I do...
by cohprog
Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:51 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v6.42.5 [current]
Replies: 124
Views: 20303

Re: v6.42.5 [current]

I have a 50 meters PtP link with wAP 60G. Before, the signal displayed was always 80 and the mcs 8. Since this update, I saw different values but most of the time, it still display a signal of 80. What I find really weird is that the tx-sector-info is regularly changing from "center" to various valu...
by cohprog
Sun May 13, 2018 12:05 am
Forum: RouterBOARD hardware
Topic: 10GBASE-T for Mikrotik
Replies: 13
Views: 1917

Re: 10GBASE-T for Mikrotik

Try a sfp(+) module
Don't bother, the copper modules are useless currently and there is no information about when they will be fixed. They "may" work under limited conditions but I wouldn't trust them even in such cases.
by cohprog
Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:36 pm
Forum: RouterBOARD hardware
Topic: S+RJ10 10Gb SFP module: Do they even work?
Replies: 8
Views: 3472

Re: S+RJ10 10Gb SFP module: Do they even work?

Yes, with the 2 Netgear, I get 10G and can transfer data continuously at that speed without any problem (I got about 9 to 9.6Gbps transfering 10GB+ files between 2 servers) . Using 1 Mikrotik with 10G port on one side and the other Mikrotik with a 1G port, on the other side, works without problem. S...
by cohprog
Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:13 am
Forum: RouterBOARD hardware
Topic: S+RJ10 10Gb SFP module: Do they even work?
Replies: 8
Views: 3472

Re: S+RJ10 10Gb SFP module: Do they even work?

Thanks for your feedback! My problem is that I am not even getting 1Gb: the link between the two Mikrotik with S+RJ10 over 35 meters of Cat 5e is just not working: It's possible to ping over it but any serious traffic just result in far too many packets lost. If I replace one of the Mikrotik by a Ne...
by cohprog
Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:28 pm
Forum: RouterBOARD hardware
Topic: S+RJ10 10Gb SFP module: Do they even work?
Replies: 8
Views: 3472

S+RJ10 10Gb SFP module: Do they even work?

Subject says it all: are those modules actually working at all? I tested 6 of them in two different switch: - CSS326-24G-2S+ running SwOS 2.7 - CRS317-1G-16S+ running RouterOS 6.41.3 1) The interfaces are always listed as up. They always shows that they did auto negotiation at 10G... whatever there ...
by cohprog
Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:21 pm
Forum: SwOS
Topic: CSS326-24G-2S+RM NAS SFP+ connection problem
Replies: 2
Views: 752

Re: CSS326-24G-2S+RM NAS SFP+ connection problem

Maybe try this: In SwOS, leave the LAG mode of the port on "passive". On the QNAP, set the trunking to either Balance-rr, Balance-tlb or Balance-alb. (ie dont use IEEE 802.3ad) I don't know if SwOS will handle Balance-rr. Balance-tlb and Balance-alb will work without any support from the switch (it ...
by cohprog
Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:50 pm
Forum: SwOS
Topic: CSS326-24G-2S+RM NAS SFP+ connection problem
Replies: 2
Views: 752

Re: CSS326-24G-2S+RM NAS SFP+ connection problem

That's normal: Ports aggregation works by sending the traffic of "one session" over 1 port and the traffic of "another session" over another port. Also, packets from the same MAC source to the same MAC destination (sometime IP address are used or even IP/port but that's pretty uncommon) will always ...
by cohprog
Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:55 pm
Forum: SwOS
Topic: Link status of SFP S+RJ10
Replies: 4
Views: 1013

Link status of SFP S+RJ10

Hello, I have SFP S+RJ10 in a CSS326-24G-2S+ switch. I am probably missing something but is there any way to get the link status of the SFP ports? In the "link" tab of SwOS, it always show "link on 10G" whatever there is a cable pluged into the SPF or not. In the "SFP" tab, it only shows the modules...
by cohprog
Fri Feb 26, 2016 10:27 am
Forum: Beginner Basics
Topic: VPN with Android Mobile to MikroTik RouterOS version 6.13
Replies: 40
Views: 29392

Re: VPN with Android Mobile to MikroTik RouterOS version 6.13

RouterOS configuration for Android L2TP/IPSec PSK VPN: RouterOS: /ip pool add name="VPN" ranges= 10.0.0.1-10.0.0.254 /ip ipsec proposal set [ find default=yes ] enc-algorithms=3des add enc-algorithms=3des,aes-256-cbc name=l2tp-vpn pfs-group=none /ppp profile add change-tcp-mss=yes dns-server= XXX.XX...
by cohprog
Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:54 am
Forum: General
Topic: Securing Mikrotik without using Firewall for fastpath
Replies: 5
Views: 682

Re: Securing Mikrotik without using Firewall for fastpath

Configure the services to only be available from some trusted IP address.
by cohprog
Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:46 am
Forum: General
Topic: Winbox losing MAC connection to RB850Gx2
Replies: 42
Views: 10855

Re: Winbox losing MAC connection to RB850Gx2

just an idea: are you connecting switch to ethernet port that its the master port of the integrated switch on 850gx2?? try another port or try without slave ports (disabling integrated switch of 850gx2) I tried with various ports. I usualy use those devices as routers and not as switch so I tried w...
by cohprog
Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:32 am
Forum: General
Topic: Winbox losing MAC connection to RB850Gx2
Replies: 42
Views: 10855

Re: Winbox losing MAC connection to RB850Gx2

Sorry to bring back this thread but I got my first RB850Gx2 and I have the same problem. To be clear: 1) With RB750Gr2 hEX, RB 951G, RB 2011, CRS212, CCR1009 and various other models, I _never_ had that problem. Sure, the MAC address connection isn't 100% stable but it is usable to do the configurat...
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