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by pe1chl
Mon Mar 18, 2024 7:10 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Network resets a lot and looped packet message after upgraded to 7.14(and .1)
Replies: 13
Views: 742

Re: Network resets a lot and looped packet message after upgraded to 7.14(and .1)

I don't know if it is a known issue, I only know that I do not experience it.
(and I have a similar config running under 7.12.1)
by pe1chl
Mon Mar 18, 2024 11:14 am
Forum: RouterBOARD hardware
Topic: Upgrade from RB750Gr3
Replies: 16
Views: 946

Re: Upgrade from RB750Gr3

There is a major problem: it has only 15.3 MB flash (several other devices have 16 MB but this has less) and this is becoming a problem with recent RouterOS versions. You can install 7.12.1 and keep that as long as possible, and maybe there will be a solution (like a lite version of RouterOS). Until...
by pe1chl
Mon Mar 18, 2024 11:11 am
Forum: General
Topic: Network resets a lot and looped packet message after upgraded to 7.14(and .1)
Replies: 13
Views: 742

Re: Network resets a lot and looped packet message after upgraded to 7.14(and .1)

I'm running several routers with RSTP, but for me the current "stable version" is 7.12.1 So I am not running 7.14 on any production device.... only in test environments where there is no bridge. So maybe try installing 7.12.1 and remain on that version for some time (until the many new bug...
by pe1chl
Mon Mar 18, 2024 11:08 am
Forum: RouterBOARD hardware
Topic: Running out of space on 16MB RouterBOARDs
Replies: 30
Views: 6393

Re: Running out of space on 16MB RouterBOARDs

The issue probably is that .npk packages are mostly a read-only compressed filesystem that is copied to the flash in its entirety and then are mounted at runtime (with the appropriate code to de-compress files on access). So, it is not a simple matter of "during installation see which drivers a...
by pe1chl
Mon Mar 18, 2024 11:00 am
Forum: General
Topic: CCR2004-1G-2XS-PCIe causes INSTANT host crash when it's rebooted
Replies: 18
Views: 2088

Re: CCR2004-1G-2XS-PCIe causes INSTANT host crash when it's rebooted

Yeah, it is clear that this card, which seemed very attractive for co-located servers requiring a router, is not usable in practice. E.g. it would also have to be running when the system is in STANDBY state, so you can poweroff the server via ILO/DRAC and then still be connected to send a poweron co...
by pe1chl
Sun Mar 17, 2024 11:43 am
Forum: General
Topic: A call for a "lite" version of routeros 7 (image size reduction)
Replies: 22
Views: 1183

Re: A call for a "lite" version of routeros 7 (image size reduction)

Current (and likely future) devices already have more flash space... except for some pure switches, were it is not required so much. Of course that would still mean a "lite" version of routeros for switches (not switchos) would have to be released, which does not include all those features...
by pe1chl
Sat Mar 16, 2024 11:15 pm
Forum: General
Topic: A call for a "lite" version of routeros 7 (image size reduction)
Replies: 22
Views: 1183

Re: A call for a "lite" version of routeros 7 (image size reduction)

I don't think that would affect existing devices...
by pe1chl
Sat Mar 16, 2024 8:33 pm
Forum: General
Topic: A call for a "lite" version of routeros 7 (image size reduction)
Replies: 22
Views: 1183

Re: A call for a "lite" version of routeros 7 (image size reduction)

Likely more can be gained by removing webfig than by removing winbox support...
by pe1chl
Sat Mar 16, 2024 4:59 pm
Forum: RouterBOARD hardware
Topic: Upgrade from RB750Gr3
Replies: 16
Views: 946

Re: Upgrade from RB750Gr3

Well, at work I just bought 3 new RB5009UPr+S+IN and as they provide PoE they can supply the access points at the locations and make replacing the PoE switches less expensive (we had PoE everywhere for VoIP phones, but fixed telephony has been phased out so now only access points require PoE). The p...
by pe1chl
Sat Mar 16, 2024 12:32 pm
Forum: RouterBOARD hardware
Topic: Upgrade from RB750Gr3
Replies: 16
Views: 946

Re: Upgrade from RB750Gr3

Note that philip8224 never mentioned "it should cost as little as possible"... Some people are always on a tight budget, for others spending 50-100 on a better product is not as much of an issue. At any rate DO NOT BUY A hAP ac2 !!! Maybe ax2 or ax3 could be considered, but MikroTik should...
by pe1chl
Fri Mar 15, 2024 5:16 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Network resets a lot and looped packet message after upgraded to 7.14(and .1)
Replies: 13
Views: 742

Re: Network resets a lot and looped packet message after upgraded to 7.14(and .1)

Did you set (or have set by the defaults) the admin-mac of the bridge to the MAC of the first ethernet port in that bridge? Can you send the entire /export for interface, bridge and bridge ports? There must be some dup MAC Is there no other router in the network running from a backup of a different ...
by pe1chl
Fri Mar 15, 2024 2:03 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Feature Request: IPSEC Improvements
Replies: 148
Views: 44617

Re: Feature Request: IPSEC Improvements

I am evaluating various solutions, but it is surprising that MikroTik does not support VTI, which is widely used and easy to manage in the industry. I don't understand why MikroTik insists on not developing this feature, especially it's an enterprise product. MikroTik is moving from the business ma...
by pe1chl
Fri Mar 15, 2024 10:30 am
Forum: General
Topic: Feature Request: IPSEC Improvements
Replies: 148
Views: 44617

Re: Feature Request: IPSEC Improvements

hsin said "I have same problem" and what he quoted was a setup with MikroTik equipment. When that wasn't his situation he should not have claimed he had "same problem". Remember VTI is nothing magical. When there are issues with hardware acceleration, they will be present in VTI ...
by pe1chl
Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:38 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Feature Request: IPSEC Improvements
Replies: 148
Views: 44617

Re: Feature Request: IPSEC Improvements

You do not need VTI to solve that problem! Simple GRE/IPsec tunnels and automatic routing will do it.
by pe1chl
Thu Mar 14, 2024 5:58 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.15beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 281
Views: 43299

Re: v7.15beta [testing] is released!

Yes, it seems like drag/drop moves now only work on the same device, not across devices. So it does not work when it has to copy the data.
Uploading files in Winbox was always limited to the main folder... but when you use FTP you can upload to another folder (device).
by pe1chl
Thu Mar 14, 2024 5:51 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.15beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 281
Views: 43299

Re: v7.15beta [testing] is released!

I do have a certain understanding they want to avoid control characters and similar, but not when it comes to common characters like spaces. Problem is: where do you define the bounds. Characters like / : \ can also cause trouble. People have used date/time as part of a filename and ran into "...
by pe1chl
Thu Mar 14, 2024 2:36 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.15beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 281
Views: 43299

Re: v7.15beta [testing] is released!

MikroTik has once AGAIN managed to break script compatibility by prohibiting something as common as spaces in file names. The common issue seems to be that people uses spaces in their System->Identity and then later use that as a filename. Just don't do that! Something as basic as an Identity bette...
by pe1chl
Thu Mar 14, 2024 2:33 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.15beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 281
Views: 43299

Re: v7.15beta [testing] is released!

In general you can say that without the specialist expertise of DNS, you cannot implement a caching resolver that works without issues. MikroTik has clear shown is that earlier in the v7 development. Every time they added or "improved" something in the DNS resolver, it was broken again. It...
by pe1chl
Thu Mar 14, 2024 2:01 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Network resets a lot and looped packet message after upgraded to 7.14(and .1)
Replies: 13
Views: 742

Re: Network resets a lot and looped packet message after upgraded to 7.14(and .1)

You will always have such surprises as you have now, until you reset the device...
by pe1chl
Thu Mar 14, 2024 11:49 am
Forum: General
Topic: A call for a "lite" version of routeros 7 (image size reduction)
Replies: 22
Views: 1183

Re: A call for a "lite" version of routeros 7 (image size reduction)

RouterOS has the capability to install optional modules, but there is no resolution of inter-dependencies. So, when one module requires another module to function, it is upon the user to install both modules. This caused some issues in v6 because there were many low-level modules (like PPP, DHCP) th...
by pe1chl
Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:33 am
Forum: General
Topic: A call for a "lite" version of routeros 7 (image size reduction)
Replies: 22
Views: 1183

Re: A call for a "lite" version of routeros 7 (image size reduction)

I understand that pppoe may be used somewhere, but these days I don't see it anywhere but on some DSL lines, and even on those the provider's modem can terminate it just fine. Well, there is your problem. What seems unimportant to you, is top priority for me. We DO REQUIRE PPPoE, it is used on all ...
by pe1chl
Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:41 am
Forum: General
Topic: Network resets a lot and looped packet message after upgraded to 7.14(and .1)
Replies: 13
Views: 742

Re: Network resets a lot and looped packet message after upgraded to 7.14(and .1)

Yes this device is restored using backup from another device. Is this something bad? And how to fix?
Yes, that is bad!
Reset the device to defaults and configure it again.
You can use /export and paste it to the router, but you can NOT restore a backup from another device!
by pe1chl
Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:46 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Backup restoration, wrong interfaces
Replies: 12
Views: 533

Re: Backup restoration, wrong interfaces

Actually that happens "all by itself" when you restore a backup on a different device...
Apparently there is some internal device identifier that may get remapped to a different actual interface when the corresponding physical interface does not exist.
by pe1chl
Wed Mar 13, 2024 4:50 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Hex Lite and NTP client updates
Replies: 28
Views: 1294

Re: Hex Lite and NTP client updates

SOURCE port. Not destination port.
by pe1chl
Wed Mar 13, 2024 4:48 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.15beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 281
Views: 43299

Re: v7.15beta [testing] is released!

Yeah, like home devices such as hAP series had 2 GB RAM. Some features are not usable on some models. While it is great that in MikroTik devices all models run the same software, you cannot reasonably expect that a $30 toy router has the same capabilities as a $2795 flagship device. For each capabi...
by pe1chl
Wed Mar 13, 2024 4:39 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Backup restoration, wrong interfaces
Replies: 12
Views: 533

Re: Backup restoration, wrong interfaces

You can NOT paste the configuration a second time! Each item of the configuration has to be pasted exactly once. When you somehow need to interrupt the process, you need to restart exactly at the correct point. Well, I have reconfigured entire routers this way and never encountered "router rest...
by pe1chl
Wed Mar 13, 2024 1:54 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.15beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 281
Views: 43299

Re: v7.15beta [testing] is released!

I'm quoting myself, because it just occurred to me that out of those 25.5 MiB source ad blocking lists only a small part was loaded (others were in the 2 formats not handled yet by RouterOS) and this small part required 130 MiB of DNS cache. So a lot more memory will have been required if all the f...
by pe1chl
Wed Mar 13, 2024 1:11 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Hex Lite and NTP client updates
Replies: 28
Views: 1294

Re: Hex Lite and NTP client updates

This type of problem is usually caused by your ISP. Even when they claim that they do not filter, they may filter incoming UDP traffic to port 123 because at some point in the past there were a lot of improperly configured NTP servers (because example config files were wrong!) that were used as refl...
by pe1chl
Wed Mar 13, 2024 1:03 pm
Forum: Beginner Basics
Topic: Static DNS Priority [SOLVED]
Replies: 5
Views: 634

Re: Static DNS Priority [SOLVED]

First to be clear: static DNS records are not forwarded at all. They are answered by the router itself. Only DNS records not in the static list are forwarded. When you have different IP addresses for a static name, and the client asks for it, they will get all addresses in the reply. Then, the clien...
by pe1chl
Wed Mar 13, 2024 12:55 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Network resets a lot and looped packet message after upgraded to 7.14(and .1)
Replies: 13
Views: 742

Re: Network resets a lot and looped packet message after upgraded to 7.14(and .1)

Did you maybe load a backup file from a different device?
Otherwise, show the config of your bridges. Did you set the admin MAC address and is it the same as the ethernet MAC address of a port (of the CCR2004 itself) in the bridge?
by pe1chl
Wed Mar 13, 2024 12:50 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Backup restoration, wrong interfaces
Replies: 12
Views: 533

Re: Backup restoration, wrong interfaces

Indeed. The "help" text is quite confusing, it talks about "cloning a router configuration" but that suggest that you can use that to generate similarly configured devices, and that is not possible with "backup". The "can then be re-applied on the same device"...
by pe1chl
Wed Mar 13, 2024 12:37 pm
Forum: General
Topic: 7.13 wireless package split question
Replies: 78
Views: 18335

Re: 7.13 wireless package split question

I was running 7.13 (routeros+wireless package) and barely had enough room to create a backup (running config) file to the flash drive. Well, you are not supposed to create a backup to the flash drive! In those 16MB devices the Files section points to a RAM disk and flash is a subdirectory of that (...
by pe1chl
Wed Mar 13, 2024 12:24 am
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14.1 [stable] is released!
Replies: 417
Views: 68311

Re: v7.14.1 [stable] is released!

You can only indentify different peers before starting parameter negotiation when using exchange mode "agressive" instead of the default "main". That will again be a problem when you want to abide by the rules of several different client OSes.
by pe1chl
Tue Mar 12, 2024 9:55 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14.1 [stable] is released!
Replies: 417
Views: 68311

Re: v7.14.1 [stable] is released!

Yeah, that is always a problem with IPsec. Some OS requiring settings that other OSes refuse. Hi, please don't give up easily. it is not an exception but rather common practice to handle multiple phase1 selectors per peer. Currently we have this rule:. " If the remote peer's address matches th...
by pe1chl
Tue Mar 12, 2024 9:51 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.15beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 281
Views: 43299

Re: v7.15beta [testing] is released!

Well, it would not have been a problem and it would have worked well when they had not made the stupid mistake of fitting only 16MB of flash in so many of their devices... My first MikroTik router was a RB2011UiAS-2HnD-IN. It had 128MB Flash, and RS232, USB, LCD, a beeper. The list price was $129. T...
by pe1chl
Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:03 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14.1 [stable] is released!
Replies: 417
Views: 68311

Re: v7.14.1 [stable] is released!

Yeah, that is always a problem with IPsec. Some OS requiring settings that other OSes refuse.
by pe1chl
Mon Mar 11, 2024 11:50 am
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.15beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 281
Views: 43299

Re: v7.15beta [testing] is released!

As I wrote above, they need to have an (optional) regexp that extracts the interesting part from the supplied line of text. If you're going to run some a regex over on all the entries... then what's the difference from a scheduled script that adds them to /ip/dns/static (which supports regex alread...
by pe1chl
Sun Mar 10, 2024 7:57 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.15beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 281
Views: 43299

Re: v7.15beta [testing] is released!

They need to implement this format, without it the feature is basically unusable. A lot of users would need to write converters from world's de facto standard into Mikrotik standard. It's better when they to implement the correct parser once and all of us can just use it. Same for bare domain names...
by pe1chl
Sat Mar 09, 2024 12:50 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.15beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 281
Views: 43299

Re: v7.15beta [testing] is released!

"testing" is more like "weekly", but indeed it could be solved with a rename to a less suggestive name.
too often, people interpret "stable" as "stable operation, recommended install".
by pe1chl
Sat Mar 09, 2024 11:42 am
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.15beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 281
Views: 43299

Re: v7.15beta [testing] is released!

Are you sure that isn't just reporting of script errors that were always there but you never noticed?
It looks like from this version on, when a script is running in the background (i.e. not started from console) you now see those errors in the log, while in the past it just silently failed.
by pe1chl
Sat Mar 09, 2024 12:45 am
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.15beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 281
Views: 43299

Re: v7.15beta [testing] is released!

Bye testing channel. You'll not see me anytime soon. Horrible experience. "testing" channel is only for people prepared to live with problems, interruptions, and netinstall. It is more worrying that the same thing is happening in "stable". There are 2 main problems here: - the d...
by pe1chl
Fri Mar 08, 2024 6:43 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.15beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 281
Views: 43299

Re: v7.15beta [testing] is released!

Maybe it is only you that did not increase the cache size?
by pe1chl
Fri Mar 08, 2024 6:42 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14.1 [stable] is released!
Replies: 417
Views: 68311

Re: v7.14 [stable] is released!

Then you probably upgraded from a quite old version. Always mention your previous version. You can go to interfaces->ethernet and open each interface and set PoE to "off" where you do not require it. On my CRS354 I went from the ancient, pre-March 2024 release of 7.13.5 all the way up to ...
by pe1chl
Thu Mar 07, 2024 10:32 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Feature requests
Replies: 1739
Views: 624627

Re: Feature requests

Feature request for "ups" package: allow to set a script to be executed when UPS state changes between on line / on battery.
(to enable sending an e-mail or other alert when power fails)
by pe1chl
Thu Mar 07, 2024 6:33 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.15beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 281
Views: 43299

Re: v7.15beta [testing] is released!

Correct. Maybe MikroTik should, now that they are working on this, provide an ONIE install file as well.
by pe1chl
Thu Mar 07, 2024 4:28 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.15beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 281
Views: 43299

Re: v7.15beta [testing] is released!

First hit when searching for "Ampere CPU platform"
As I said, I did not know that AMPERE was a "CPU platform".
I vaguely remembered about a "white label switch platform" but apparently it has a different name.
by pe1chl
Thu Mar 07, 2024 4:26 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14.1 [stable] is released!
Replies: 417
Views: 68311

Re: v7.14 [stable] is released!

I agree with that. There should be more options in upgrade, and more release tags. E.g. for v7 there should be an option "long-term" that corresponds to 7.12.1
Versions after that should be considered "experimental" for now.
by pe1chl
Thu Mar 07, 2024 11:37 am
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14.1 [stable] is released!
Replies: 417
Views: 68311

Re: v7.14 [stable] is released!

Didn't say Cisco/Juniper don't have tons of bugs but I've never come across a "recommended release" that does not allow the product to boot after upgrade. Especially now in recent years when there's an impact/compability check etc before upgrading. Ok but that is where you are going wrong...
by pe1chl
Thu Mar 07, 2024 11:35 am
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.15beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 281
Views: 43299

Re: v7.15beta [testing] is released!

Ok, thanks for the info about AMPERE. I thought it would be about white-label router hardware. Google of that name combined with "router", "switch" etc only resulted in articles about power usage of such devices.
by pe1chl
Thu Mar 07, 2024 11:28 am
Forum: General
Topic: Routers Coming with Default Passwords
Replies: 69
Views: 6053

Re: Routers Coming with Default Passwords

From a convenience point of view this might be helpful but from a security point of view you may not want this if you want to be sure your hardware is not going to be "reused" by others. As I wrote a year ago, normis was also active in the topic at that time, that requirement makes things...
by pe1chl
Wed Mar 06, 2024 9:47 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.15beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 281
Views: 43299

Re: v7.15beta [testing] is released!

What is AMPERE??
Due to the stupid name it is impossible to Google...
by pe1chl
Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:33 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Feature requests
Replies: 1739
Views: 624627

Re: Feature requests

As it is now, RouterOS does not even properly close some files after using them (or forgets to "chdir"). I have an open bug where I have an NFS-mounted directory (the router mounts a directory on a server) where I put backups so they end up in the backup made from that server. When I do a ...
by pe1chl
Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:24 pm
Forum: General
Topic: /export hangs
Replies: 11
Views: 5206

Re: /export hangs

No, I have not yet reset that router and I am just living with it.
When it happens on a newly configured router as well, that means I will probably not even try that, thanks.
You could report it to MikroTik.
by pe1chl
Wed Mar 06, 2024 11:59 am
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.15beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 281
Views: 43299

Re: v7.15beta [testing] is released!

Well, of course actually PPSK is not proper and is a workaround. But it is a convenient workaround offered by some other vendors. At work we are using WPA2-EAP with MSCHAPv2 username/password and a certificate for authentication of the AP. That is "the proper way to do it". Each user gets ...
by pe1chl
Wed Mar 06, 2024 11:45 am
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14.1 [stable] is released!
Replies: 417
Views: 68311

Re: v7.14 [stable] is released!

I have seen (in the past) photos of a "test lab" that they use to test new versions. The main problem is that they test mainly with "default config" so many other configs and features are not tested... (and they never discovered that storage is running out on 15.3MB devices beca...
by pe1chl
Wed Mar 06, 2024 11:39 am
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14.1 [stable] is released!
Replies: 417
Views: 68311

Re: v7.14 [stable] is released!

Hi, On my RB5009UPr+S+IN the upgrade went fine. Only one strange thing, after reboot my active interfaces without POE devices were red, "PoE out status: short circuit"... Then you probably upgraded from a quite old version. Always mention your previous version. You can go to interfaces->e...
by pe1chl
Tue Mar 05, 2024 6:04 pm
Forum: General
Topic: RouterOS v7.12.2
Replies: 2
Views: 203

Re: RouterOS v7.12.2

Ok so maybe only some support for a specific model... maybe there are models with min version 7.12.2 then.
(these routers have min version 7.5)
by pe1chl
Tue Mar 05, 2024 5:33 pm
Forum: General
Topic: RouterOS v7.12.2
Replies: 2
Views: 203

RouterOS v7.12.2

I have bought a couple of RB5009 routers and they came with RouterOS v7.8 So I wanted to update them, but not to the "stable" version 7.14. I am using 7.12.1 on many routers and for now that is my "stable" version. So I went to the download archive to get that, and I found there ...
by pe1chl
Tue Mar 05, 2024 5:29 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14.1 [stable] is released!
Replies: 417
Views: 68311

Re: v7.14 [stable] is released!

I have seen (in the past) photos of a "test lab" that they use to test new versions. The main problem is that they test mainly with "default config" so many other configs and features are not tested... (and they never discovered that storage is running out on 15.3MB devices becau...
by pe1chl
Tue Mar 05, 2024 5:27 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Feature requests
Replies: 1739
Views: 624627

Re: Feature requests

Did you enable "advanced mode"? It does not provide those fields, but it provides some other useful features.
by pe1chl
Tue Mar 05, 2024 3:02 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.15beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 281
Views: 43299

Re: v7.15beta [testing] is released!

Problem: at least since 7.14, probably earlier: in Winbox, Wifi menu, Wifi tab, there are two columns named "Channel", also two "TX Power". One is for configured value, other for current. Now, when I exit the session and log in again, only configured values are there, I have to ...
by pe1chl
Tue Mar 05, 2024 2:35 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Feature requests
Replies: 1739
Views: 624627

Re: Feature requests

Likely the reason for not allowing such things is that users would configure it to use USB storage and then pull the USB key at an inappropriate moment, then complain about things crashing or otherwise failing.
by pe1chl
Tue Mar 05, 2024 12:09 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Feature requests
Replies: 1739
Views: 624627

Re: Feature requests

Never has here. Double click on that line and all it does is populate the top box.
On the "managed" tab it works. I do not know about the "neighbors" tab, rarely use that.
by pe1chl
Tue Mar 05, 2024 12:05 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Routers Coming with Default Passwords
Replies: 69
Views: 6053

Re: Routers Coming with Default Passwords

You are not to be taken seriously when you claim that a router should be accessible for admins from the internet side by default.
by pe1chl
Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:34 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.15beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 281
Views: 43299

Re: v7.15beta [testing] is released!

For example here in PL the law requires all ISPs to redirect gambing listes that don't pay taxes listed as https://hazard.mf.gov.pl/ to 145.237.235.240 which shows a warning that the Big Brother (Ministry of Finances) is watching. How is that even possible? Has https:// not reached PL yet? or are P...
by pe1chl
Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:31 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Feature requests
Replies: 1739
Views: 624627

Re: Feature requests

Double click on an entry in Winbox to connect.
Already works!
by pe1chl
Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:59 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.15beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 281
Views: 43299

Re: v7.15beta [testing] is released!

something cosmetic on X86:

board-name: x86 To be filled by O.E.M. To be filled by O.E.M.
It is the fault of your board manufacturer or seller.
by pe1chl
Mon Mar 04, 2024 4:50 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.15beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 281
Views: 43299

Re: v7.15beta [testing] is released!

Also new feature - IP/DNS/Adlist: https://help.mikrotik.com/docs/display/ROS/DNS#DNS-Adlist Why is it called "Adlist" when in fact it is a method to add a hosts(.txt) file? Sure that is a trick that some people use to block access to certain domain names, but that is not the primary purpo...
by pe1chl
Mon Mar 04, 2024 4:40 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.15beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 281
Views: 43299

Re: v7.15beta [testing] is released!

As mentioned on every version topic - please keep the topic related to the issues that are introduced just in this release and new features. Logging rules have always worked as "and" filters. You have unlimited options there. For example, "info" will log info messages, but "...
by pe1chl
Mon Mar 04, 2024 3:19 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14.1 [stable] is released!
Replies: 417
Views: 68311

Re: v7.14 [stable] is released!

I agree with that, but at the same time I recommend to always research the status of a new release before blindly installing it. When Microsoft releases a new version everyone is talking about issues and how to force remaining on the old version, but when MikroTik releases a new version lots of peop...
by pe1chl
Mon Mar 04, 2024 2:07 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14.1 [stable] is released!
Replies: 417
Views: 68311

Re: v7.14 [stable] is released!

Dumbest I've heard. Can't even imagine Cisco or Juniper putting out a stable release that bricks the product.
But you pay 3 times the money for a comparable product. Your decision.
by pe1chl
Mon Mar 04, 2024 12:07 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14.1 [stable] is released!
Replies: 417
Views: 68311

Re: v7.14 [stable] is released!

Apparently the problem is that Winbox, while it knows what has changed on each window (since each modified field becomes blue), when you hit apply, it sends EVERYTHING, instead of only the options that have changed. As I said, through CLI, the new logging, is how one would expect it, so the problem...
by pe1chl
Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:20 am
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14.1 [stable] is released!
Replies: 417
Views: 68311

Re: v7.14 [stable] is released!

Default system logging should be made non intrusive not allowing one topic excessive logging imo. I see the point of info topic being accustomed by using !wireguard condition as wrong aproach. I agree with that. This is just a log that should have been suppressed in the code (don't ever log connect...
by pe1chl
Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:15 am
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14.1 [stable] is released!
Replies: 417
Views: 68311

Re: v7.14 [stable] is released!

What IMO could be done is that winbox would be able to show defaults (if applicable) so one could apply them by hand if deemed fit. Yes, that would be valuable. Sometimes it is difficult to find what the default value is for a parameter that has been changed at some time, and a separate widget near...
by pe1chl
Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:09 am
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14.1 [stable] is released!
Replies: 417
Views: 68311

Re: v7.14 [stable] is released!

I actually think that logging of changes is great! Especially when you have an external log server, you can check when something was changed and by whom. Yes, but only log the actual change, not every single argument that /interface/set takes and the user didn't touch. Well that can be debated, pro...
by pe1chl
Sun Mar 03, 2024 11:45 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14.1 [stable] is released!
Replies: 417
Views: 68311

Re: v7.14 [stable] is released!

I actually think that logging of changes is great! Especially when you have an external log server, you can check when something was changed and by whom.
by pe1chl
Sun Mar 03, 2024 11:51 am
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14.1 [stable] is released!
Replies: 417
Views: 68311

Re: v7.14 [stable] is released!

Fingers crossed that MT can opensource their code to allow for improvements - or open up the bootloader to allow for likes of openwrt etc to be easily installed on the devices. More likely until hell freezes over :) I am not asking for any policy changes, only for long-term support of the 7.12.x ve...
by pe1chl
Sat Mar 02, 2024 3:20 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14.1 [stable] is released!
Replies: 417
Views: 68311

Re: v7.14 [stable] is released!

I fear, that since the introduction of the wireless package vs wifi-qcom-ac et al, implies that certain 16Mb storage devices with wireless are getting deprecated in favour of the newer drivers, and newer models. End result is they will get left behind with a version of v7 nd not eligible for newer ...
by pe1chl
Fri Mar 01, 2024 3:38 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14.1 [stable] is released!
Replies: 417
Views: 68311

Re: v7.14 [stable] is released!

Some default debug filters not being applied to log entries. I saw them for wireguard, DHCP, DNS, NTP. All silent now. Please explain what you mean. Logging for "debug" is disabled by default, and always has been. Did you create a log rule for "debug" and does it behave differen...
by pe1chl
Fri Mar 01, 2024 3:35 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14.1 [stable] is released!
Replies: 417
Views: 68311

Re: v7.14 [stable] is released!

The comment from w0lt was correct. In order to disable specific topic logs, go to System/Logging and open, for example, "info" topic. Add "!wireguard" to it. All info logs, except WireGuard, will be logged now. Yes, these are new logs, nothing changed in the WireGuard behavior. ...
by pe1chl
Fri Mar 01, 2024 1:01 pm
Forum: Scripting
Topic: fetch seems to behave different when called in function [SOLVED]
Replies: 12
Views: 677

Re: fetch seems to behave different when called in function [SOLVED]

By "accidental" I only mean that you could use a variablename that someone else has already chosen to be global, and you use it as if is local.
When that cannot happen (because you work alone instead of as a team member) there is nothing to worry about.
by pe1chl
Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:00 am
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14.1 [stable] is released!
Replies: 417
Views: 68311

Re: v7.14 [stable] is released!

Warning! CCR2004-pcie doesn't come back after upgrade. it's crazy what You do at mikrotik, to release fw *STABLE* that bricks cloud core unit. looks like boot-loop. Well, I would call it quite irresponsible to install a freshly released 7.xx version at a remote location within a day after release, ...
by pe1chl
Fri Mar 01, 2024 10:58 am
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14.1 [stable] is released!
Replies: 417
Views: 68311

Re: v7.14 [stable] is released!

*) firewall - increased default "udp-timeout" value from 10s to 30s; It wasn't applied after the update to v17.14. Defaults are not applied by updates. Once you have made a setting it will be saved and restored at reboot, you need to change it to 30 seconds yourself when you want that. Ne...
by pe1chl
Thu Feb 29, 2024 8:08 pm
Forum: Scripting
Topic: fetch seems to behave different when called in function [SOLVED]
Replies: 12
Views: 677

Re: fetch seems to behave different when called in function [SOLVED]

As a software engineer by profession it still boggles my mind why I have to refere to already globally defined variables... It is done to prevent accidental access/modification of global variables. Remember it is not required to declare local variables, so any set command could unintentionally use ...
by pe1chl
Thu Feb 29, 2024 5:40 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14.1 [stable] is released!
Replies: 417
Views: 68311

Re: v7.14 [stable] is released!

Remember this: Notice - Starting from RouterOS version 7.13, significant changes have been made to the RouterOS wireless packages. This is done due to a new product development which will require more disk space for hardware drivers so we had to split it in order to maintain old products alongside t...
by pe1chl
Thu Feb 29, 2024 5:35 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: MikroTik Devices Controller
Replies: 332
Views: 232974

Re: MikroTik Devices Controller

The decision to buy Cisco is normally not motivated by cost or easy of use.
You may be able to take market share from Ubiquiti, you will never be able to take considerable market share from Cisco.
by pe1chl
Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:54 pm
Forum: General
Topic: How to dst-nat or redirect when routing marks are present
Replies: 7
Views: 390

Re: How to dst-nat or redirect when routing marks are present

I am not interested in discussions at this level, so don't expect a reply to them.
by pe1chl
Tue Feb 27, 2024 12:08 pm
Forum: General
Topic: How to dst-nat or redirect when routing marks are present
Replies: 7
Views: 390

Re: How to dst-nat or redirect when routing marks are present

Remember it is not a question about "how do I get my config exactly right", it is a question about concepts in RouterOS.
"how can I get traffic with a routing mark handled locally at the router"
by pe1chl
Tue Feb 27, 2024 10:53 am
Forum: General
Topic: How to dst-nat or redirect when routing marks are present
Replies: 7
Views: 390

Re: How to dst-nat or redirect when routing marks are present

I mean what I wrote above, nothing else. I know how to make a load balancing setup, but now I want to combine it with dst-nat of some "outbound" traffic.
by pe1chl
Mon Feb 26, 2024 5:32 pm
Forum: General
Topic: How to dst-nat or redirect when routing marks are present
Replies: 7
Views: 390

How to dst-nat or redirect when routing marks are present

On a router with two ISP connections running 7.12.1 I am using route marks to load balance the traffic between the connections. To do that, in mangle prerouting I assign a routing mark based on per-connection-classifier=src-address:2/x This works fine. There are two extra routing tables for the 2 IS...
by pe1chl
Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:17 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Feature requests
Replies: 1739
Views: 624627

Re: Feature requests

The allowed interfaces for MAC-level access can depend on the model of the router, and possibly on the software it first came with. However, usually it is enabled on all ports and when it is not, it is because you changed that yourself before. Yes but firewalls drop every thinks from WAN which its ...
by pe1chl
Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:15 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.13.5 [stable] is released!
Replies: 909
Views: 253217

Re: v7.13.5 [stable] is released!

User documentation (a manual) is quite different from programmer's documentation. You cannot generate a user manual from source code, unless you put the manual text as comments in the source code. Maybe you could generate it from design documentation. At least there has been an attempt at creating a...
by pe1chl
Sun Feb 25, 2024 12:24 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Feature requests
Replies: 1739
Views: 624627

Re: Feature requests

The allowed interfaces for MAC-level access can depend on the model of the router, and possibly on the software it first came with.
However, usually it is enabled on all ports and when it is not, it is because you changed that yourself before.
by pe1chl
Sat Feb 24, 2024 12:24 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Firewall is dropping traffic on CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+ (tile) [SOLVED]
Replies: 9
Views: 623

Re: Firewall is dropping traffic on CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+ (tile) [SOLVED]

When your internal network is flaky, e.g. a large area covered with WiFi access points, or the external network (ISP) is not very reliable, you will have more of those lingering connections that are not accounted for in the firewall tracking. There are some ways around it, e.g. you can decide to pas...
by pe1chl
Fri Feb 23, 2024 11:25 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Firewall is dropping traffic on CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+ (tile) [SOLVED]
Replies: 9
Views: 623

Re: Firewall is dropping traffic on CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+ (tile) [SOLVED]

But there are several mistakes in it... that is why you encounter issues. For some unclear reason, the CCR devices do not get the default rules that other devices get. Even with the default rules there are issues with logging dropped traffic, because you will get lots of false positives. E.g. when a...
by pe1chl
Fri Feb 23, 2024 11:06 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Firewall is dropping traffic on CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+ (tile) [SOLVED]
Replies: 9
Views: 623

Re: Firewall is dropping traffic on CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+ (tile) [SOLVED]

Your firewall rules are just wrong.
Either study the matter or apply default firewall rules...
(unfortunately the CCR1009 has no default firewall rules, but you can copy them from another model)
by pe1chl
Fri Feb 23, 2024 6:08 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.13.5 [stable] is released!
Replies: 909
Views: 253217

Re: v7.13.5 [stable] is released!

There are lots of commands with incomplete documentation. They should get an intern (or group of 2 or 3) tasked with documenting all commands in the same format and checking if every option is documented.
by pe1chl
Thu Feb 22, 2024 10:57 am
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.13.5 [stable] is released!
Replies: 909
Views: 253217

Re: v7.13.5 [stable] is released!

You can just delete that extra package in the /system/packages menu and reboot. It will not come back.
by pe1chl
Thu Feb 22, 2024 10:55 am
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14rc [testing] is released!
Replies: 176
Views: 46651

Re: v7.14rc [testing] is released!

Thank you for the feedback but how is a normal user supposed to do this downgrade ? It's only possible via support, I believe ? I think you are confused with stuff from another manufacturer here. It has never been a problem to downgrade on MikroTik, only you cannot downgrade below the version that ...
by pe1chl
Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:59 am
Forum: General
Topic: RouterOS versions and stability
Replies: 2
Views: 306

Re: RouterOS versions and stability

"These ping spikes seem to occur when someone else is streaming videos" This could point to overloading of the connection combined with bad queuing policy probably at the ISP side ("buffer bloat"). When there is a lot of data to send, the bulk data gets ahead of your ping. You ca...
by pe1chl
Tue Feb 20, 2024 6:04 pm
Forum: Forwarding Protocols
Topic: Router OSv7 BGP Route Filters
Replies: 5
Views: 445

Re: Router OSv7 BGP Route Filters

What you have there would only accept one specific route: to the network 172.16.0.0/22
Any routes for subnets of that network would not be accepted, and due to the fact that the default is reject, will not pass through.

Probably you meant something like: if (dst in 172.16.0.0/22)
by pe1chl
Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:24 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Can't access hEX (pretty urgent) [SOLVED]
Replies: 30
Views: 1761

Re: Can't access hEX (pretty urgent) [SOLVED]

Yes. The big problem when using RouterOS is that there is no easy way to keep the device config synchronized other than being careful with every manual change. I have seen scripting solutions but it is always a bit tricky. The case of the corrupted filesystem would not have been a problem in the old...
by pe1chl
Tue Feb 20, 2024 3:34 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14rc [testing] is released!
Replies: 176
Views: 46651

Re: v7.14rc [testing] is released!

Anything that requires fetch now requires FTP permission. Netwatch doesn't have that, I think.
So you need to use special tricks and they are barely documented. Probably someone here knows what to do.
by pe1chl
Tue Feb 20, 2024 3:32 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Can't access hEX (pretty urgent) [SOLVED]
Replies: 30
Views: 1761

Re: Can't access hEX (pretty urgent) [SOLVED]

That is the state "corrupted filesystem, can no longer boot, netinstall required"...
So with Netinstall you can recover it.
Did you not send a prepared device to the site after all? That would have fixed it.
by pe1chl
Tue Feb 20, 2024 12:04 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Split IPv6 /56 obtained via the PPPoE
Replies: 11
Views: 767

Re: Split IPv6 /56 obtained via the PPPoE

It is easy. How do you get the IPv6 space on PPPoE? Is it via DHCPv6 client? Normally you would do something like this: /ipv6 dhcp-client add interface=pppoe1 pool-name=v6prefix request=prefix /ipv6 address add address=::1 from-pool=v6prefix interface=bridge The bridge will get an IP address from th...
by pe1chl
Tue Feb 20, 2024 11:54 am
Forum: RouterBOARD hardware
Topic: L009 with no 5GHz wireless
Replies: 16
Views: 1196

Re: L009 with no 5GHz wireless

Still: no way to satisfy all There is 4011iGS+5HacQ2HnD-IN if you need both freq ... Whatever you do, do not buy that one! When you install the modern WiFi driver it will work ONLY on 5 GHz and 2 GHz will become inoperative. Also, it has no USB port so no way to expand storage. It has lots of RAM b...
by pe1chl
Tue Feb 20, 2024 11:49 am
Forum: RouterBOARD hardware
Topic: L009 with no 5GHz wireless
Replies: 16
Views: 1196

Re: L009 with no 5GHz wireless

The earlier reply from MikroTik has been that the L009 is intended solely as the replacement for their most successful device ever, the RB2011. .... makes no sense. It's silly to not have put 5ghz in I'm pretty sure people aren't buying the 2011 specifically because it DOESNT have 5ghz in it No, th...
by pe1chl
Mon Feb 19, 2024 5:52 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.13.5 [stable] is released!
Replies: 909
Views: 253217

Re: v7.13.5 [stable] is released!

7.13.5 one more step against Long Term release :)
I think not. I still see so many "introduced in 7.13x" bugfixes that I think there have been major changes and 7.12.x should be the longterm release.
by pe1chl
Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:33 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Split IPv6 /56 obtained via the PPPoE
Replies: 11
Views: 767

Re: Split IPv6 /56 obtained via the PPPoE

No, you only can attempt to filter their internet access and they will fall back to using IPv4.
by pe1chl
Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:27 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Split IPv6 /56 obtained via the PPPoE
Replies: 11
Views: 767

Re: Split IPv6 /56 obtained via the PPPoE

MikroTik does not support DHCPv6 to distribute individual addresses. So you cannot do that. You can use DHCPv6 to distribute prefixes, e.g. when you have a down line router you want to pick a /64 from your /56 pool, you can setup a DCHP server with the pool you obtained from PPPoE and re-distribute ...
by pe1chl
Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:20 pm
Forum: RouterBOARD hardware
Topic: L009 with no 5GHz wireless
Replies: 16
Views: 1196

Re: L009 with no 5GHz wireless

The earlier reply from MikroTik has been that the L009 is intended solely as the replacement for their most successful device ever, the RB2011. Apparently there are still people buying that, and they wanted to introduce a replacement device with similar price and features. When you require 5GHz, don...
by pe1chl
Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:29 pm
Forum: The Dude
Topic: Is too much to ask for Dude x64 windows client?
Replies: 33
Views: 7690

Re: Is too much to ask for Dude x64 windows client?

That is why I wrote "developing some MikroTik-specific modules for that, like an API interface module and some scripts to perform common tasks". I have done some monitoring using Perl scripts and the Perl API module and it is quite easy to pull data from the router that way. I only use tha...
by pe1chl
Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:07 pm
Forum: The Dude
Topic: Is too much to ask for Dude x64 windows client?
Replies: 33
Views: 7690

Re: Is too much to ask for Dude x64 windows client?

It would be better to switch to an open-source monitoring application and focus on developing some MikroTik-specific modules for that, like an API interface module and some scripts to perform common tasks. Then you would not have to worry about the runtime environment all the time. (I have experimen...
by pe1chl
Sun Feb 18, 2024 7:44 pm
Forum: The Dude
Topic: Is too much to ask for Dude x64 windows client?
Replies: 33
Views: 7690

Re: Is too much to ask for Dude x64 windows client?

But dear ChatGPT, there is no development of Dude anymore! So why would "developers" be interested in that?
by pe1chl
Sun Feb 18, 2024 12:14 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14rc [testing] is released!
Replies: 176
Views: 46651

Re: v7.14rc [testing] is released!

You can use the /system/default-configuration/print to see what is in defconf and find out how it relates to your expectations or wishes. OP clearly stated the obvious and you seem not to understand nor answer his question? So once again - how is something as queue-types related to the defconf or r...
by pe1chl
Sun Feb 18, 2024 12:29 am
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14rc [testing] is released!
Replies: 176
Views: 46651

Re: v7.14rc [testing] is released!

You can use the /system/default-configuration/print to see what is in defconf and find out how it relates to your expectations or wishes.
by pe1chl
Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:12 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14rc [testing] is released!
Replies: 176
Views: 46651

Re: v7.14rc [testing] is released!

For those that do not use VRF but use manually created route tables, it would be very convenient when there would be an option to import Connected routes into a newly created table (so they can be distributed using BGP). E.g.: add an option to /routing/table/add which specifies an interface list. A...
by pe1chl
Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:08 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14rc [testing] is released!
Replies: 176
Views: 46651

Re: v7.14rc [testing] is released!

Changes in defconf are not applied on upgrades, AFAIK. That is correct, you need to reset the device to defaults to see such changes. Or you can do /system/default-configuration/print and selectively cut/paste from that. (it is also possible to use file=filename with that, and download the file, fo...
by pe1chl
Fri Feb 16, 2024 7:42 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14rc [testing] is released!
Replies: 176
Views: 46651

Re: v7.14rc [testing] is released!

*) bgp - allow to leak routes between local VRFs; For those that do not use VRF but use manually created route tables, it would be very convenient when there would be an option to import Connected routes into a newly created table (so they can be distributed using BGP). E.g.: add an option to /rout...
by pe1chl
Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:43 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.13.5 [stable] is released!
Replies: 909
Views: 253217

Re: v7.13.4 [stable] is released!

How can one run ROS 7 on a hAP lite? I've tried this several times and even just as a CPE (no firewall filter rules, a blank config in fact) it was barely unusable.
It is better not to do it. Just remain on v6.
by pe1chl
Fri Feb 16, 2024 2:34 pm
Forum: Beginner Basics
Topic: Firewall rules - Dont know why my server is accessible from the internet. Is should be not [SOLVED]
Replies: 8
Views: 672

Re: Firewall rules - Dont know why my server is accessible from the internet. Is should be not [SOLVED]

No. There is a filter rule that allows NATted traffic: 28 ;;; defconf: drop all from WAN not DSTNATed chain=forward action=drop connection-state=new connection-nat-state=!dstnat in-interface=WAN log=no log-prefix="" (this combined with the fact that after the last rule there is an implicit...
by pe1chl
Thu Feb 15, 2024 10:23 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Simple Queue for Device Management
Replies: 5
Views: 329

Re: Simple Queue for Device Management

It isn't even defined what Simple Queue is doing. The documentation just proposes a trivial use case that uses a few of its many parameters.
by pe1chl
Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:02 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Time message from MikroTik to graylog
Replies: 2
Views: 264

Re: Time message from MikroTik to graylog

Remote logging in RouterOS is very primitive. Your only selection is the bsd-syslog flag which unfortunately changes different things at the same time, and no really desirable option is available.

This is a wishlist item for many years, so don't hold your breath.
by pe1chl
Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:58 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Simple Queue for Device Management
Replies: 5
Views: 329

Re: Simple Queue for Device Management

Unfortunately there is no real documentation for Simple Queue. I asked for it before but it appears low-priority.

Why don't you use Queue Tree? You can use packet marks to mark the interesting traffic.
by pe1chl
Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:55 pm
Forum: Beginner Basics
Topic: Can multiple S2S VPNs between the same two sites coexist on the router?
Replies: 4
Views: 301

Re: Can multiple S2S VPNs between the same two sites coexist on the router?

When you want to route arbitrary traffic over a tunnel, it is easiest when it is a GRE/IPsec (or IPIP/IPsec) tunnel as described above.
When you already have a plain IPsec tunnel it is possible to convert it but you need admin access to both sides.
by pe1chl
Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:56 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.13.5 [stable] is released!
Replies: 909
Views: 253217

Re: v7.13.4 [stable] is released!

You should not even have updated to v7. That kind of device is best left on v6.
Probably it is bricked due to lack of space. You can recover it with netinstall.
by pe1chl
Tue Feb 13, 2024 2:55 pm
Forum: Beginner Basics
Topic: V7 "routing mask"
Replies: 14
Views: 1108

Re: V7 "routing mask"

No. Use the manual or the links above. I am not an unpaid consultant.
by pe1chl
Tue Feb 13, 2024 12:20 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: Newsletter #116 | January 2024
Replies: 90
Views: 28414

Re: Newsletter #116 | January 2024

Of course, but he is asking for "Something with better CPU, RAM and so on ? Like 1GB memory ? x64 bit 4 cores or more ?" and several models with that already exist in that list. But apparently not to his liking.
by pe1chl
Tue Feb 13, 2024 10:44 am
Forum: Beginner Basics
Topic: V7 "routing mask"
Replies: 14
Views: 1108

Re: V7 "routing mask"

The appropriate replies were already given above...
by pe1chl
Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:30 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14rc [testing] is released!
Replies: 176
Views: 46651

Re: v7.14rc [testing] is released!

No solution for the memory shortage in 15.3MB ARM devices? The solution is simple! Reset the device without def.conf. , after that make upgrade, or make netinstall with new npk version. The occupied space after the procedure is 14.9MB. Yes, but for me a device with only 350kB free is not viable. To...
by pe1chl
Mon Feb 12, 2024 1:44 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.13.5 [stable] is released!
Replies: 909
Views: 253217

Re: CPU frequency decrease after upgrade to OS V7

Thanks for reply, Its always show 1200Mhz if i use os 7, never change also in Full user load, Only if i downgrade to OS v6 then CPU again show 2600Mhz, Any idea how to solve this issue?
Do you observe actual decreased performance? Or are you just obsessed by what is shown in that dialog?
by pe1chl
Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:58 am
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14rc [testing] is released!
Replies: 176
Views: 46651

Re: v7.14rc [testing] is released!

No solution for the memory shortage in 15.3MB ARM devices?
by pe1chl
Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:57 am
Forum: General
Topic: Can't access hEX (pretty urgent) [SOLVED]
Replies: 30
Views: 1761

Re: Can't access hEX (pretty urgent) [SOLVED]

Netinstall is a way, but you could also use "reset configuration" and check the "no default configuration" checkmark. The config will then be almost empty and you can connect using MAC and paste it. Or, before the reset you can upload the .rsc to the flash directory and in the re...
by pe1chl
Sun Feb 11, 2024 2:09 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: Newsletter #116 | January 2024
Replies: 90
Views: 28414

Re: Newsletter #116 | January 2024

That is not surprising because your question is completely unclear! You ask for a new device and think all existing devices that fit the bill are not right for you... If you red carefully my post above you will see that I am applying exactly for a "Ethernet routers" And when I (and others...
by pe1chl
Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:40 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: Newsletter #116 | January 2024
Replies: 90
Views: 28414

Re: Newsletter #116 | January 2024

May be you don't understand the direction. Applying for a router, not a wireless one!
That is not surprising because your question is completely unclear! You ask for a new device and think all existing devices that fit the bill are not right for you...
by pe1chl
Sat Feb 10, 2024 9:42 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: Newsletter #116 | January 2024
Replies: 90
Views: 28414

Re: Newsletter #116 | January 2024

Can we expect new "Ethernet routers" ?
Something with better CPU, RAM and so on ? Like 1GB memory ? x64 bit 4 cores or more ?
Like CCR2004-16G-2S+? Maybe CCR2004-16G-2S+PC?
by pe1chl
Sat Feb 10, 2024 8:55 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Can't access hEX (pretty urgent) [SOLVED]
Replies: 30
Views: 1761

Re: Can't access hEX (pretty urgent) [SOLVED]

The problem is if I set up the pc with a direct cable (or even through the UDM acting as a switch) it will require changing the ip settings on the pc and that would eliminate my remote access to the pc. Well, you already said you did not see the router in winbox or netinstall so no need trying IP. ...
by pe1chl
Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:57 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Can't access hEX (pretty urgent) [SOLVED]
Replies: 30
Views: 1761

Re: Can't access hEX (pretty urgent) [SOLVED]

Buy a new hEX, configure it correctly, and ship it there.
by pe1chl
Sat Feb 10, 2024 3:44 pm
Forum: Beginner Basics
Topic: Drop invalid FW forward
Replies: 15
Views: 840

Re: Drop invalid FW forward

Just drag the line up or down using the mouse...
by pe1chl
Fri Feb 09, 2024 8:35 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Changelog Question
Replies: 21
Views: 1059

Re: Changelog Question

Actually it would be good to have option to "reset to defaults" any configuration subsection. Yes, but of course it cannot simply be "by window" or "by menu entry" because some configuration has inter-related settings that you cannot apply individually. E.g. as I wrote...
by pe1chl
Fri Feb 09, 2024 5:45 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Changelog Question
Replies: 21
Views: 1059

Re: Changelog Question

You should have your own firewall. The change affects the default one, which is loaded onto a new device or after reset. It is only the base template and every responsible admin should secure their network manually. It would be helpful when there was a separate commend/button to "reset firewal...
by pe1chl
Fri Feb 09, 2024 5:38 pm
Forum: Beginner Basics
Topic: Drop invalid FW forward
Replies: 15
Views: 840

Re: Drop invalid FW forward

It is a known problem in Linux connection tracking that has been there for years but is never fixed. As recommended, do not log invalid packets. Or make another rule above that which drops invalid packets with TCP protocol and TCP flag FIN or RST, does not log these, and then keep this rule with log...
by pe1chl
Thu Feb 08, 2024 4:43 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Feature requests
Replies: 1739
Views: 624627

Re: Feature requests

The Mikrotik would be an excellent place for a print server! I don't know about that. I'd think some mDNS support be more useful, than a print server, in 2024? Indeed! This is just a general "VPN setup in the wrong way" issue. Put your VPN range in a different IP range and it all works fi...
by pe1chl
Thu Feb 08, 2024 4:11 pm
Forum: Forwarding Protocols
Topic: Suggestion for Enhancement to MikroTik's IP Traffic Flow (Source/Destination AS)
Replies: 16
Views: 4087

Re: Suggestion for Enhancement to MikroTik's IP Traffic Flow (Source/Destination AS)

We still don't have information about AS
Of course not. It was not in the release notes, so why should it be there?
This topic is only a suggestion for a new feature.
by pe1chl
Wed Feb 07, 2024 7:15 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v6.49.13 [stable] is released!
Replies: 24
Views: 17911

Re: v6.49.13 [stable] is released!

RouterOS itself should perform actions like that, as mentioned before (to change defaults when they are incorrect)....
by pe1chl
Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:11 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v6.49.13 [stable] is released!
Replies: 24
Views: 17911

Re: v6.49.13 [stable] is released!

Yes. Mitigating factor is that first you have to know the address of the router. In IPv6 that is often not trivial.
by pe1chl
Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:10 pm
Forum: Beginner Basics
Topic: hap ax2 config copied to hap ax3?
Replies: 73
Views: 2939

Re: hap ax2 config copied to hap ax3?

Please, stop calling megabits as MB.
MB = megabytes
Mb = megabits
and:
mb = millibits
by pe1chl
Wed Feb 07, 2024 10:51 am
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v6.49.13 [stable] is released!
Replies: 24
Views: 17911

Re: v6.49.13 [stable] is released!

Now back to the topic. You published a new version to fix something in the default config. How do you think that publishing this new version is going to affect ANYTHING? Should there, at minimum, not be some simple directions in the announcement article that explain what you need to change when you ...
by pe1chl
Wed Feb 07, 2024 12:32 am
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.13.5 [stable] is released!
Replies: 909
Views: 253217

Re: v7.13.3 [stable] is released!

The question is: "does the package overhead is bigger or smaller than the space we save breaking it up?" No, that is not the question. The question is if we can have a useful subset of RouterOS functionality plus one or more extensions, which still fits in the flash memory, so the user ca...
by pe1chl
Tue Feb 06, 2024 10:28 pm
Forum: Beginner Basics
Topic: hap ax2 config copied to hap ax3?
Replies: 73
Views: 2939

Re: hap ax2 config copied to hap ax3?

400 millibit/s is quite easy to achieve, even with smoke signals.
by pe1chl
Tue Feb 06, 2024 10:27 pm
Forum: General
Topic: User poll about using Winbox
Replies: 97
Views: 52935

Re: User poll about using Winbox

This thinking is just wrong. If you are admin in company (which is bigger than small), you typically administrating dozens ( in my case hundreds ) of devices and it cannot be done via web config effectively. No chance at all. Not with winbox either. So that is a little irrelevant in this topic. For...
by pe1chl
Tue Feb 06, 2024 4:51 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v6.49.13 [stable] is released!
Replies: 24
Views: 17911

Re: v6.49.13 [stable] is released!

It was an example. Generally, MikroTik do not tell us in releasenotes what "improved handing" or "improved stability" mean w.r.t. security. That is not right... and in the case of 6.49.13 it solves a security issue only for devices shipped with 6.49.13 installed. Are there any? (...
by pe1chl
Tue Feb 06, 2024 4:48 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: Newsletter #116 | January 2024
Replies: 90
Views: 28414

Re: Newsletter #116 | January 2024

fine, but that product is not the L009. and will surely cost at least 2x the price and the yelling and whining will go on and on.... it's with the people. there will always be something to dick about. For 2x the price I would be happy. I bought a 4011 for 2x the price of a L009 but I get an orphane...
by pe1chl
Tue Feb 06, 2024 4:09 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v6.49.13 [stable] is released!
Replies: 24
Views: 17911

Re: v6.49.13 [stable] is released!

It would have been easier (and better) to publish a recommended change in the firewall rules. +1 So as discussed many times before: a user that never touched the default firewall rules won't ever get this change automatically. It will stay broken until the user throws the device away or the user re...
by pe1chl
Tue Feb 06, 2024 12:10 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v6.49.13 [stable] is released!
Replies: 24
Views: 17911

Re: v6.49.13 [stable] is released!

Also: why is a new stable release made for such an irrelevant bug? According to many, "nobody uses IPv6". Today's end-user never uses "traceroute". And a change in defconf will not affect people that just upgrade, only those that reset to defaults. That fact is not even mentioned...
by pe1chl
Tue Feb 06, 2024 11:23 am
Forum: General
Topic: Feature requests
Replies: 1739
Views: 624627

Re: Feature requests

Bridge-To-Bridge joiner.
You can do that with two local EoIP interfaces.
by pe1chl
Tue Feb 06, 2024 11:21 am
Forum: General
Topic: Feature requests
Replies: 1739
Views: 624627

Re: Feature requests

Please make dynamic vlan assignment possible for wifi-qcom-ac wireless driver
do you mean via RADIUS?
Via RADIUS or via access list. I also want to have that, I use it in the old wireless driver.
by pe1chl
Tue Feb 06, 2024 11:20 am
Forum: General
Topic: User poll about using Winbox
Replies: 97
Views: 52935

Re: User poll about using Winbox

So we can agree that the only essential difference between Winbox and WebFig is the ability of former to connect device even if IP setup is not correct (and matching between ROS device and management workstation). And that difference would like go away if Winbox was rewritten to java. Hence idea ab...
by pe1chl
Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:32 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.13.5 [stable] is released!
Replies: 909
Views: 253217

Re: v7.13.3 [stable] is released!

Problem are all ARM wireless devices with 16MB flash.
And even worse: 15.3MB Flash
by pe1chl
Mon Feb 05, 2024 5:58 pm
Forum: Beginner Basics
Topic: hap ax2 config copied to hap ax3?
Replies: 73
Views: 2939

Re: hap ax2 config copied to hap ax3?

Recent example: https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=202381 In my case I use HP or Aruba switches and I use them to power all kinds of devices (telephones, APs of different make including MikroTik) and I have never seen issues. So it looks like the problems are limited to MikroTik switches po...
by pe1chl
Mon Feb 05, 2024 2:35 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 510
Views: 147885

Re: v7.14beta [testing] is released!

The easiest solution for irritating LEDs: apply black tape. I have done that "forever" on MikroTik equipment, e.g. because of the blue powerled (torch).
by pe1chl
Mon Feb 05, 2024 2:33 pm
Forum: Beginner Basics
Topic: hap ax2 config copied to hap ax3?
Replies: 73
Views: 2939

Re: hap ax2 config copied to hap ax3?

I never had to fight against 802.3AF/AT implementations! It always "just works".
But of course it requires way more hardware than "passive PoE".
by pe1chl
Mon Feb 05, 2024 2:32 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.13.5 [stable] is released!
Replies: 909
Views: 253217

Re: v7.13.3 [stable] is released!

When it really is not possible to gain space by separating the packages, a "RouterOS lite" base package could be created that omits all those bells and whistles and allows the device to be used as a simple NAT router without capabilities like auto routing, mpls, dot1x, proxy, SMB, hotspot,...
by pe1chl
Mon Feb 05, 2024 2:25 pm
Forum: Forwarding Protocols
Topic: ERROR: RECV RouteRefresh with invalid subtype: 0
Replies: 19
Views: 4875

Re: ERROR: RECV RouteRefresh with invalid subtype: 0

It is the same when the peer is RouterOS v6. When you make changes to the route filters and do a "refresh" it issues the error and does not refresh.
When stopping/starting the session it works, but that is unfortunate.
by pe1chl
Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:03 am
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.13.5 [stable] is released!
Replies: 909
Views: 253217

Re: v7.13.3 [stable] is released!

I would recommend remaining on 7.12.2 (so before the wireless changes) at least until 7.14.1 is released Good point. TBH, I don't think there will be some magic in 7.14+ which suddenly gives us lot of extra space. That is unavoidable consequence of adding more and more features. There appears to be...
by pe1chl
Sun Feb 04, 2024 8:49 pm
Forum: Beginner Basics
Topic: DHCP/DNS configuration for two router setup [SOLVED]
Replies: 9
Views: 1019

Re: DHCP/DNS configuration for two router setup [SOLVED]

I tried your tip ( set detect-interface-list=none ) but it did not let all equipment run in the same domain. Are you sure this command changes the behavior? To me it seems to be a filter for reporting purposes, not something that changes the state of an interface. Study the matter a bit better and ...
by pe1chl
Sun Feb 04, 2024 8:47 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Feature request: Add sorting
Replies: 9
Views: 5427

Re: Feature request: Add sorting

Still, the sorting in winbox is done by winbox, not by RouterOS.
by pe1chl
Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:21 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.13.5 [stable] is released!
Replies: 909
Views: 253217

Re: v7.13.3 [stable] is released!

One of my hAP ac2 running v7.13.2 had an interesting and totally unwanted behavior earlier today: The router was reporting about 3% free space (so not totally full). If this is going to happen to everyone on normal install, we are getting into interesting times. Yes, in particular the hAP ac2 is in...
by pe1chl
Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:17 pm
Forum: Beginner Basics
Topic: hap ax2 config copied to hap ax3?
Replies: 73
Views: 2939

Re: hap ax2 config copied to hap ax3?

A good fix is to not reboot routers unless it is required to upgrade software or install an additional package. MikroTik routers do not need to be rebooted after a config change or after some uptime. Next time you face the same situation anyway, instead of reboot the PC try to unplug the network cab...
by pe1chl
Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:14 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: WinBox v3.40 released!
Replies: 109
Views: 109472

Re: WinBox v3.40 released!

+1000
by pe1chl
Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:13 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: Newsletter #116 | January 2024
Replies: 90
Views: 28414

Re: Newsletter #116 | January 2024

Too bad the CRS326-24S+2Q+RM is delivered from factory with RouterOSv7 and 64MB of RAM.
You can run SwOS on that. Anyway, I would never buy that kind of thing from MikroTik.
by pe1chl
Sat Feb 03, 2024 5:35 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.13.5 [stable] is released!
Replies: 909
Views: 253217

Re: v7.13.3 [stable] is released!

Did you run into this issue when trying to configure the router from an export, or when just rebooting it after the upgrade? There is this bug in the /export that it exports /ipv6 address before /ipv6 dhcp-client, but it has been like that for longer than 7.13.3 and it usually seems harmless. Could ...
by pe1chl
Sat Feb 03, 2024 5:30 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 510
Views: 147885

Re: v7.14beta [testing] is released!

It means your router does a DNS query before everything is up and running. Maybe you configured NTP with a DNS name, or some other service like that. Just ignore it, it will fix itself later. Yes, I ignore it, the intention here was just to show how something as simple as starting a service at the ...
by pe1chl
Sat Feb 03, 2024 5:27 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: Newsletter #116 | January 2024
Replies: 90
Views: 28414

Re: Newsletter #116 | January 2024

I do feel that 64MB of RAM is on the low side for ROS7.
True, you should not upgrade that kind of vintage device to RouterOS v7 unless you are prepared to live with performance issues.
by pe1chl
Sat Feb 03, 2024 5:24 pm
Forum: General
Topic: RB3011 different storage size
Replies: 5
Views: 389

Re: RB3011 different storage size

On a router like that, it would be a good idea to use partitions=2. You have 2 partitions of 64MB, usually enough for operation. Then before you upgrade, do a "copy to" in the partition menu, copying the active partition (0) to the other (1). When after the upgrade you are not satisfied wi...
by pe1chl
Sat Feb 03, 2024 5:20 pm
Forum: Beginner Basics
Topic: hap ax2 config copied to hap ax3?
Replies: 73
Views: 2939

Re: hap ax2 config copied to hap ax3?

Thank yoU!! having this file ios awesome I can copy this into a new router piecewise as I wish!!!!! even the firewall chains!!!! Yes, but only when you remove existing chains before you copy/paste the new ones! Always check what configuration exists when you paste an export. E.g. for your example, ...
by pe1chl
Sat Feb 03, 2024 12:29 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: Newsletter #116 | January 2024
Replies: 90
Views: 28414

Re: Newsletter #116 | January 2024

It even feels counter intuitive that the most expensive and high-end CRS5xx series feels crippled compared to the lower-end series due to lesser cpu/memory/storage (1core/64/16 & 1core/128/32) vs (2core/1Gb/16 & 1core/512Mb/16) That is because in a high-end switch the CPU and its associated...
by pe1chl
Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:32 am
Forum: General
Topic: CCR1009-8G-1S Throughput Speed
Replies: 20
Views: 920

Re: CCR1009-8G-1S Throughput Speed

What I mean is that I would like to have a router with 8 RJ45 ports that support 2.5Gbps. Because that allows to easily connect faster equipment and internet lines without having to use S+RJ10 or similar SFP->UTP modules which generally run very hot. Fine if the router also includes one or two SFP+ ...
by pe1chl
Sat Feb 03, 2024 12:35 am
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 510
Views: 147885

Re: v7.14beta [testing] is released!

It's a great idea to rename to "nas"! I love roses, like well Guns'n'Roses, rose flowers, rose perfume and so on… but how it is related to SMB I really don't understand! the rose-storage package does not only offer the "nas" function, but also the "client" function. In...
by pe1chl
Sat Feb 03, 2024 12:28 am
Forum: Beginner Basics
Topic: hap ax2 config copied to hap ax3?
Replies: 73
Views: 2939

Re: hap ax2 config copied to hap ax3?

The auto-before-reset.backup is created when you reset the settings to defaults. You can remove that file when you no longer need it (and you can skip the creation of the file when doing the reset). To backup the config there are two ways: - backup. that creates a .backup file which is a binary file...
by pe1chl
Sat Feb 03, 2024 12:23 am
Forum: General
Topic: CCR1009-8G-1S Throughput Speed
Replies: 20
Views: 920

Re: CCR1009-8G-1S Throughput Speed

Routers with only SFP+ ports are not very practical to use. Optical modules are nice, everything else runs so hot that I would not want to have it (e.g. the SFP to RJ45 modules, or the SFP VDSL modem I tested in the past).
by pe1chl
Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:36 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 510
Views: 147885

Re: v7.14beta [testing] is released!

It means your router does a DNS query before everything is up and running. Maybe you configured NTP with a DNS name, or some other service like that.
Just ignore it, it will fix itself later.
by pe1chl
Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:33 pm
Forum: General
Topic: RB3011 different storage size
Replies: 5
Views: 389

Re: RB3011 different storage size

Probably one was "partitioned", i.e. there are different versions of RouterOS on it for fallback in case of failed upgrade etc.
Look under the Partition menu.
by pe1chl
Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:31 pm
Forum: Beginner Basics
Topic: DHCP/DNS configuration for two router setup [SOLVED]
Replies: 9
Views: 1019

Re: DHCP/DNS configuration for two router setup [SOLVED]

You can fix that using this command:
/interface detect-internet set detect-interface-list=none
by pe1chl
Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:28 pm
Forum: Beginner Basics
Topic: V7 "routing mask"
Replies: 14
Views: 1108

Re: V7 "routing mask"

When you have an existing configuration in a router running v6, and then you upload v7 and upgrade, the configuration will be automatically converted. So you should not have such problems unless you have netinstalled v7 and then try to import (or paste) the old v6 configuration into v7. In case of t...
by pe1chl
Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:23 pm
Forum: Beginner Basics
Topic: hap ax2 config copied to hap ax3?
Replies: 73
Views: 2939

Re: hap ax2 config copied to hap ax3?

It is not difficult, but it takes some time, and some attention, the biggest issue is AFAIK, even with relatively simple configurations that the lines need to be pasted/inserted in the new configuration with a logic order (which is not necessarily the order of the lines in the export) otherwise the...
by pe1chl
Fri Feb 02, 2024 6:40 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 510
Views: 147885

Re: v7.14beta [testing] is released!

Last beta broke my RB4011 wireless. Now is not working anymore. Very good job!! Maybe you installed the qcom-ac package without careful reading? It will break the 2GHz WiFi. To have 2GHz WiFi on the 4011 you need to keep the "wireless" package, and you cannot have both "wireless"...
by pe1chl
Fri Feb 02, 2024 6:39 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: Newsletter #116 | January 2024
Replies: 90
Views: 28414

Re: Newsletter #116 | January 2024

More RAM helps at buffering the traffic, at my understanding.
Yes, but a lot of buffering of the traffic is actually a bad idea. Especially when there are not multiple queues and DSCP based priority.
by pe1chl
Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:48 am
Forum: Announcements
Topic: Newsletter #116 | January 2024
Replies: 90
Views: 28414

Re: Newsletter #116 | January 2024

L009 replaces RB2011, it is for people who need 2GHz. We have plenty of other devices for those who need 5GHz. Actually, not that many. There is no real product "for the higher-end home user" with 8+ switch ports and modern WiFi. The 4011 is not well supported, the 5009 has no WiFi, the h...
by pe1chl
Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:41 am
Forum: General
Topic: CCR1009-8G-1S Throughput Speed
Replies: 20
Views: 920

Re: CCR1009-8G-1S Throughput Speed

Why does MikroTik not make more routers with at least two 2.5 ports? My guess is they will come out with 10g ports and not waste time with anything less. Indeed that is a bit of a pity. A router like the 5009 but with all 2.5Gbit ports would be welcome. Even the 2004 (the logical successor to the 1...
by pe1chl
Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:36 am
Forum: General
Topic: CCR1009-8G-1S Throughput Speed
Replies: 20
Views: 920

Re: CCR1009-8G-1S Throughput Speed

What they do have in common CCR1009 and EOL. :-)
They are no longer sold but they are still supported. Updates for RouterOS are released for this model.
There is no need to replace it just yet.
by pe1chl
Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:26 am
Forum: General
Topic: Queue and Fasttrack
Replies: 15
Views: 891

Re: Queue and Fasttrack

PPPoE is a protocol that encapsulates your internet traffic (it puts a header in front of it) and then sends it down to the layer below it. That will usually be a VLAN. That again puts a header in front of it. Finally the traffic is sent out on a physical interface (in your case SFP+). In all those ...
by pe1chl
Fri Feb 02, 2024 12:25 am
Forum: General
Topic: CCR1009-8G-1S Throughput Speed
Replies: 20
Views: 920

Re: CCR1009-8G-1S Throughput Speed

He has a different model. CCR1009-7G-1C-1S+.
It is the later model. It does not have the ether1..ether4 switch. So the issue you are seeing is not present on that model.
by pe1chl
Thu Feb 01, 2024 10:45 pm
Forum: General
Topic: CCR1009-8G-1S Throughput Speed
Replies: 20
Views: 920

Re: CCR1009-8G-1S Throughput Speed

Image
No fasttrack!
That is a different model! And different config as well.
by pe1chl
Thu Feb 01, 2024 9:29 pm
Forum: Virtualization
Topic: mikrotik RouterOS can work on Banana Pi R4
Replies: 4
Views: 570

Re: mikrotik RouterOS can work on Banana Pi R4

Or get one of those "software router" x86 boxes at Aliexpress that have a couple of ethernet ports.
You can get the minimal options for memory and storage, and that makes them quite cheap.
by pe1chl
Thu Feb 01, 2024 9:27 pm
Forum: General
Topic: CCR1009-8G-1S Throughput Speed
Replies: 20
Views: 920

Re: CCR1009-8G-1S Throughput Speed

On that particular model, you would not use ether1 as the WAN interface as usual with MikroTik routers. Use one of ether5..ether8 (or one of the SFP) as the WAN interface and you can use ether1..4 as LAN. Assuming you have another independent switch to connect the LAN systems, do not use any of the ...
by pe1chl
Thu Feb 01, 2024 9:23 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Queue and Fasttrack
Replies: 15
Views: 891

Re: Queue and Fasttrack

I use the SFP+ module as WAN port, and under interfaces I can see the traffic for both send and receive no problem for that port. However, as soon as I select that as the port for the queue, I see no traffic flow in the queue, not even a single packet. This is also the case when I turn off Fasttrac...
by pe1chl
Thu Feb 01, 2024 11:44 am
Forum: General
Topic: "Routing Table" Parameter for IPv6 Routes Not in Effect (v7.5) [SOLVED]
Replies: 17
Views: 3571

Re: "Routing Table" Parameter for IPv6 Routes Not in Effect (v7.5) [SOLVED]

You need to explain what you mean or start a new topic. There was a problem but the methods explained above do work.
by pe1chl
Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:29 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: Newsletter #116 | January 2024
Replies: 90
Views: 28414

Re: Newsletter #116 | January 2024

No. NAND is just a (confusing) shorthand for "NAND Flash", one of the types of Flash memory.
Another is "NOR Flash" and todays flash storage also has other different types of construction.
My computer has 2 Flash devices of 2TB each. I would have liked ~1GB of flash in my router.
by pe1chl
Wed Jan 31, 2024 7:39 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: Newsletter #116 | January 2024
Replies: 90
Views: 28414

Re: Newsletter #116 | January 2024

Probably because they bought a truly excessive quantity during COVID, due to the shortage of supplies of materials, which now have to put them everywhere to dispose of them and cover the costs incurred to buy them. The whole 16MB debacle started WAY before COVID!!! When I initially "discovered...
by pe1chl
Wed Jan 31, 2024 2:03 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: Newsletter #116 | January 2024
Replies: 90
Views: 28414

Re: Newsletter #116 | January 2024

With all those outdoor solutions it becomes more and more sad that the new wireless driver does not support dynamic VLAN assignment via RADIUS...
by pe1chl
Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:00 pm
Forum: Forwarding Protocols
Topic: Suggestion for Enhancement to MikroTik's IP Traffic Flow (Source/Destination AS)
Replies: 16
Views: 4087

Re: Suggestion for Enhancement to MikroTik's IP Traffic Flow (Source/Destination AS)

Yes, I saw it that finally the counters are 64-bit, hooray! That means I do no longer have to set a 1-minute timeout on flows... However it will be some time before this version gets installed on our work router, currently running 7.12.1 (too many "introduced in 7.13" in the changelog late...
by pe1chl
Tue Jan 30, 2024 5:59 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Feature requests
Replies: 1739
Views: 624627

Re: Feature requests

VLAN configuration is tricky in many different products. Often there is no good overview of what you are doing. It can be done VLAN-centric (you define VLANs and specify which ports are tagged members and which are untagged members) or it can be done port-centric (for each port you can set which VLA...
by pe1chl
Tue Jan 30, 2024 4:49 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Feature requests
Replies: 1739
Views: 624627

Re: Feature requests

Yeah, the implementation was sort of sub-optimal, and it would no longer work today. But the idea in itself is apparently what a lot of people want: manage the router at "application" or "task" level, not at "VLAN config" or "firewall rule" level. When there i...
by pe1chl
Tue Jan 30, 2024 4:45 pm
Forum: Beginner Basics
Topic: Reset counters - no way or bug in WinBox?
Replies: 21
Views: 9073

Re: Reset counters - no way or bug in WinBox?

Well, for WiFi I use the usermanager to allow a limited set of MAC addresses and assign them the VLAN I want.
(unfortunately the new WiFi driver cannot do that anymore...)
But with this config, the connection time and amount of data is also maintained by usermanager. So I have an overview of that.
by pe1chl
Tue Jan 30, 2024 11:47 am
Forum: General
Topic: Feature requests
Replies: 1739
Views: 624627

Re: Feature requests

I never really saw Cisco GUI, last time i had interaction with Cisco was in high school 11 years ago and that was through CLI. I don't know how it works today, but in the past we had Cisco routers and at some point a new router came with a package that could be used to configure it. Written in Java...
by pe1chl
Tue Jan 30, 2024 11:39 am
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 510
Views: 147885

Re: v7.14beta [testing] is released!

I would like to say THANK YOU VERY MUCH for this improvement in 7.14 beta8:
*) traffic-flow - use 64bit counters for v9 and IPFIX flows
Yes, that is great! I have been asking for that for many years...
by pe1chl
Mon Jan 29, 2024 8:06 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Feature requests
Replies: 1739
Views: 624627

Re: Feature requests

It would not require a different RouterOS do do that, just an application that has many wizards and knowledge of the hardware (how many ports, what are they called, what kind of WiFi, etc). The application asks the users what he wants to have, and sends the correct configuration commands to the rout...
by pe1chl
Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:38 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Feature requests
Replies: 1739
Views: 624627

Re: Feature requests

Probably instead of adding even more of these "QuickSet" and "setup" hacks it would be better to develop a newbie-friendly GUI tool that allows configuration of the router in the same way as modern consumer routers are configured (wizards, task-oriented screens) and configures th...
by pe1chl
Mon Jan 29, 2024 11:19 am
Forum: General
Topic: Feature requests
Replies: 1739
Views: 624627

Re: Feature requests

RouterOS is not for the users that require wizards for everything...
by pe1chl
Mon Jan 29, 2024 11:17 am
Forum: General
Topic: feature request: add Port List to firewall
Replies: 48
Views: 19680

Re: feature request: add Port List to firewall

That does not actually work... and it is not supported by the Linux firewall.
Even in "ipset" it is not possible to have a single entry with two protocols.
But you can make an ipset with 2 items, one is "tcp port 53" and the other is "udp port 53" and refer to that.
by pe1chl
Sun Jan 28, 2024 11:37 am
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.13.5 [stable] is released!
Replies: 909
Views: 253217

Re: v7.13.3 [stable] is released!

That is just a special case of the problems in the logging system in general. It really needs to be worked on.
Long ago I have submitted a ticket for that, and it was agreed that it needs work, but nothing has happened since.
(as Jotne also rightfully complains about)
by pe1chl
Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:15 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 510
Views: 147885

Re: v7.14beta [testing] is released!

That is why I wrote "resolver" instead of just resolver on Fri Jan 26, 2024 2:03 pm above. It isn't only a resolver. But, some of the other mentioned products (at least "unbound") have similar functionality. In many routers, the capability to serve a .local zone and to forward qu...
by pe1chl
Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:49 am
Forum: General
Topic: Feature requests
Replies: 1739
Views: 624627

Re: Feature requests

The problem with that idea is that for every network card some user has, and for every new network card on the market, the whining about "can you please include the driver for my card??" will begin. And not only for network cards, but also for all other hardware in the system (disk devices...
by pe1chl
Fri Jan 26, 2024 3:03 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 510
Views: 147885

Re: v7.14beta [testing] is released!

The current "resolver" already includes many things that are not part of a standard resolver, like static entries, forwards for a domain, DoH, etc. But unbound can do them all, plus more. I don't know which of the others would have all those capabilities, but maybe there are indeed more. S...
by pe1chl
Thu Jan 25, 2024 10:08 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 510
Views: 147885

Re: v7.14beta [testing] is released!

That is what I mean! E.g. "unbound" provides everything the RouterOS resolver can do now, plus additional things that are still on the list of things-to-do, like DNSSEC support. I'm sure once work is done on that, all the bugs come back to haunt them.
by pe1chl
Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:37 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 510
Views: 147885

Re: v7.14beta [testing] is released!

Well of course the expected operation is "when A record is requested an CNAME record exists in the cache but destination of CNAME record does not, re-request the appropriate pointed record and wait for the response, and return the result to the client only after that response has been received ...
by pe1chl
Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:31 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.13.5 [stable] is released!
Replies: 909
Views: 253217

Re: v7.13.3 [stable] is released!

Apparently your production router has the wireless package installed, and your test router does not. It is a "normal problem" with MikroTik. You usually cannot do "reset configuration and import script" because there can be minor errors and they are not handled. You could overcom...
by pe1chl
Thu Jan 25, 2024 12:31 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 510
Views: 147885

Re: v7.14beta [testing] is released!

Seeing on the changelog of both 7.13.3 and this 7.14beta how many problems are being fixed that were introduced in 7.13 or later, I still think the 7.12.1 release should be promoted to long-term. There apparently are a lot of changes being made, and a lot of associated mistakes (for whatever reason)...
by pe1chl
Thu Jan 25, 2024 11:54 am
Forum: General
Topic: Winbox: column order problem on session reload (split from "User poll about using Winbox")
Replies: 7
Views: 507

Re: Winbox: column order problem on session reload (split from "User poll about using Winbox")

Well, I don't have the problem you mention. So there must be some relation to configuration and/or use.
by pe1chl
Thu Jan 25, 2024 11:51 am
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 510
Views: 147885

Re: v7.14beta [testing] is released!

Short TTLs ~0-5s are used for load balancing, but the web is full of really long TTLs. NS TTLs are usually hours, if not days like TLD delegations. SOA TTLs may also be really long, but I don't know if ROS resolver is doing negative caching - hopefully not, since it's easy do do wrong. CNAMEs usual...
by pe1chl
Wed Jan 24, 2024 11:01 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 510
Views: 147885

Re: v7.14beta [testing] is released!

You can't expect to cache the whole Internet. So some cache management is required. Common approaches are LRU and displacement of records with shortest remaining TTL. The latter would probably not be a good approach today. Currently, TTL from the upstream DNS servers is usually either about one hou...
by pe1chl
Wed Jan 24, 2024 10:18 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 510
Views: 147885

Re: v7.14beta [testing] is released!

Sure when there is no more cache space it would be best when the DNS resolver drops old records first.
However, by doing the above tuning you can likely avoid that situation occurring altogether.
by pe1chl
Wed Jan 24, 2024 9:11 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 510
Views: 147885

Re: v7.14beta [testing] is released!

You can already set a "Cache Max TTL" when you have a lot of DNS cache and are unable to increase the cache size due to memory limitations of the router. E.G. set it to 02:00:00. On typical router models used in heavy-use situations you can easily set the cache size 10x higher than default...
by pe1chl
Wed Jan 24, 2024 8:14 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Winbox: column order problem on session reload (split from "User poll about using Winbox")
Replies: 7
Views: 507

Re: Winbox: column order problem on session reload (split from "User poll about using Winbox")

Note that "I would want to open the session file in a text editor" refers to a desired change by MikroTik to make the winbox session files into an editable form like JSON. At the moment they are binary files and cannot be repaired. Did you already try to remove the file (or move it somewhe...
by pe1chl
Wed Jan 24, 2024 2:14 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 510
Views: 147885

Re: v7.14beta [testing] is released!

*) wifi-qcom - improved system stability when using FastPath (introduced in v7.13); No serious software developer would write such commit or changelog messages. There are some standard phrases used in those changelog messages. It can be good because it reduces the line length. "improved system...
by pe1chl
Wed Jan 24, 2024 12:08 pm
Forum: RouterBOARD hardware
Topic: CCR1036 Power Supply
Replies: 81
Views: 32831

Re: CCR1036 Power Supply

Above it is already mentioned that it is 1000UF 35V
Of course you need to buy a premium brand and a type with a low ESR and 105C temperature capability.
But I would first get the PSU and open it to make sure yours is the same.
by pe1chl
Wed Jan 24, 2024 12:05 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 510
Views: 147885

Re: v7.14beta [testing] is released!

the changelog is rather vague. Changelog quality is piss-poor. I think an easy way to improve this would be to link to the relevant bug tracker case (MikroTik has one of these, right?) which would hopefully have more tech stuff for people to read over if they want. I have proposed several times tha...
by pe1chl
Wed Jan 24, 2024 11:52 am
Forum: General
Topic: Winbox: column order problem on session reload (split from "User poll about using Winbox")
Replies: 7
Views: 507

Re: Winbox: column order problem on session reload (split from "User poll about using Winbox")

That is the kind of issue that you can usually solve by throwing away the session file for that device and start again... But I don't want to do that, in such a case I would want to open the session file in a text editor, look for the section for ip firewall mangle, delete it, and then re-configure ...
by pe1chl
Wed Jan 24, 2024 11:47 am
Forum: Beginner Basics
Topic: NTP stuck on Waiting....
Replies: 91
Views: 24033

Re: NTP stuck on Waiting....

If you insist on using local source for time sync of your network, you can use a low-cost device (e.g. RPi) running "normal" linux with NTP server which allows to use local clock as reference clock. You can then try to discipline local clock using NMEA telegrams if you will. I don't think...
by pe1chl
Tue Jan 23, 2024 5:58 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 510
Views: 147885

Re: v7.14beta [testing] is released!

What's new in 7.14beta8 (2024-Jan-22 21:07):

*) package - reduced "wireless" package size for ARM, ARM64, MIPSBE, MMIPS devices;
Did anyone already check by how much?
(i.e. how much more free space do you have after upgrade to this version on a device with wireless package)
by pe1chl
Tue Jan 23, 2024 5:50 pm
Forum: General
Topic: User poll about using Winbox
Replies: 97
Views: 52935

Re: User poll about using Winbox

That is why I write I have a big investment in session files! For every router I have a session file (either <own> for that router or a common one for several routers) where all the open windows show what I want to view, with the correct columns (those FP columns deleted, for example), the appropria...
by pe1chl
Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:54 am
Forum: Announcements
Topic: WinBox v3.40 released!
Replies: 109
Views: 109472

Re: WinBox v3.40 released!

Even if we make a winbox that is not the same as the good old Windows 95 inspired version, you can always just keep using the old one :)
Of course until at some point the authentication or some other fundamental protocol detail is changed in some newer RouterOS version, as has happened before...
by pe1chl
Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:51 pm
Forum: Forwarding Protocols
Topic: BGP Filters translate from ros6 to ros7 not working
Replies: 9
Views: 1339

Re: BGP Filters translate from ros6 to ros7 not working

Remember that in v6 when a chain of filters ends, the default action is "accept". In v7, the default action at the end is "reject". So, when you had filters in v6 that only modify some BGP parameters or rejected some networks, it would work because the implicit accept at the end ...
by pe1chl
Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:45 pm
Forum: General
Topic: User poll about using Winbox
Replies: 97
Views: 52935

Re: User poll about using Winbox

I use sessions all the time. Usually with <own> but sometimes with a file that describes a specific model and usage scenario (and thus is shared between different devices). I have a big investment in sessions files that are completely customized and I hate it when I lose one and have to re-do it... ...
by pe1chl
Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:35 pm
Forum: Beginner Basics
Topic: Why so hard to give friendly name to a client?
Replies: 34
Views: 10924

Re: Why so hard to give friendly name to a client?

I don't think there is further progress than what is written above...
by pe1chl
Mon Jan 22, 2024 8:32 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.13.5 [stable] is released!
Replies: 909
Views: 253217

Re: v7.13.2 [stable] is released!

7.13 crashing when winbox is left open is a known bug
by pe1chl
Mon Jan 22, 2024 6:43 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 510
Views: 147885

Re: v7.14beta [testing] is released!

There will always be enhancements that will be missed when staying at an older version. Not relevant.
by pe1chl
Mon Jan 22, 2024 3:59 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: WinBox v3.40 released!
Replies: 109
Views: 109472

Re: WinBox v3.40 released!

Actually I would prefer when changes like what I mentioned Tue Dec 12, 2023 4:15 pm are implemented (to allow connection to some device directly from a desktop icon).
And also to change the .viw files to a readable/editable format (e.g. .json)...
by pe1chl
Mon Jan 22, 2024 3:31 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 510
Views: 147885

Re: v7.14beta [testing] is released!

But with proper ICMP troubleshooting is so much nicer and it is so much friendlier to the software as it allows immediate and accurate error reporting to the user. Unfortunately, a widely used desktop operating system decides to hide the useful error information from the user... (and also it does n...
by pe1chl
Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:50 am
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 510
Views: 147885

Re: v7.14beta [testing] is released!

Yeah, sometimes they backported fixes that did not even work in the release they came from. I guess developers are human. But it would be nice if we could get commitment to maintain 7.12.x with critical fixes until the showstopping bugs in 7.13+ have been ironed out a bit. Maybe when 7.16 is release...
by pe1chl
Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:15 am
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 510
Views: 147885

Re: v7.14beta [testing] is released!

I assume "forking" now a long term branch would increase their development effort. not immediately, but within months the branches diverge and and will be hard to apply only patches while the stable branch keep going on. It should not be that hard. Of course there will be no development i...
by pe1chl
Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:13 am
Forum: Announcements
Topic: WinBox v3.40 released!
Replies: 109
Views: 109472

Re: WinBox v3.40 released!

What do you mean "teaser"? That is just a wine install, that has been possible for a long time.
by pe1chl
Sun Jan 21, 2024 9:53 pm
Forum: Beginner Basics
Topic: packet marking for QoS
Replies: 7
Views: 754

Re: packet marking for QoS

It all depends on what you want to accomplish... which is not very clear from your description. Firewall rules will not affect what is happening inside the network that you have sketched. Only when there is more to it than you show us (e.g. the "main" router also has an internet connection...
by pe1chl
Sun Jan 21, 2024 7:07 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 510
Views: 147885

Re: v7.14beta [testing] is released!

Indeed, they are in denial. We can only hope that 7.12.1 will be labeled long-term and maintained with security fixes...
by pe1chl
Sun Jan 21, 2024 12:17 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.13.5 [stable] is released!
Replies: 909
Views: 253217

Re: v7.13.1 [stable] is released!

1) Check the bridge’s protocol-mode, with AX2/AX3 it MUST be default value (rtsp).
Why?
by pe1chl
Sun Jan 21, 2024 12:15 pm
Forum: Beginner Basics
Topic: packet marking for QoS
Replies: 7
Views: 754

Re: packet marking for QoS

That "Repeater" seems not to be routing (IP address is from the same subnet). In that case "firewall mangle" rules are not processed, because the traffic is not routed but only bridged. You can set the option "Use IP firewall" in the bridge global settings, but be caref...
by pe1chl
Sat Jan 20, 2024 8:55 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 510
Views: 147885

Re: v7.14beta [testing] is released!

There was a time when switches and access points (really old SXT devices come to mind) had 128 MB in them - what the *** happened with that? At some point devices with 16MB appeared, usually really low-end devices. But at some point even much more expensive devices got released with 16MB, and they ...
by pe1chl
Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:32 pm
Forum: Beginner Basics
Topic: packet marking for QoS
Replies: 7
Views: 754

Re: packet marking for QoS

Also, what do you mean with "one is acting as a range extender"?
Is it operating as a router or did you configure it as a bridge?
by pe1chl
Fri Jan 19, 2024 4:10 pm
Forum: Announcements
Topic: v7.14beta [testing] is released!
Replies: 510
Views: 147885

Re: v7.14beta [testing] is released!

One reason probably is that 16MB is a boundary for some old storage technology and having more than 16MB requires more pins from the SoC that can also be used e.g. to drive LEDs. So to keep costs down, it seemed attractive to have 16MB storage only. I think it would be a good idea to define a releas...
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