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samsoft08

thanks alot , but what about the bridge mode in the wireless configuration isnt it a wirless bridge which is my case ? why do i hve to make AP and station ? my setup will be somthing like this : my main MT -- MT cpe ====== MT cpe ---- his MT ---- his users . IP's : 192.168.1.1 -- 192.168.1.2 === 192...

samsoft08

Oh yeah , they keep thier surprise to uncle SAM !!!

samsoft08

what about the announcement of rb333 ?? the nigeria mum has past and we dont know nothing about the new rb yet !!

samsoft08

let's say the two units are RB's and we bridged the wlan + ether .. what about the wlan on each side ? ap-bridge or station or .... ?

samsoft08

can any one write a brief setup for one of these stations to make a bridge ..??

samsoft08

i read the wiki about Transparently Bridge two Networks , i'm so confused , why setting one of them as an AP and the other as a station ? arent they equal ? I just want to make a Point to Point transparent bridge , from my main MT to a client who I gave hime a dedicated bandwidth , and i have to lim...

samsoft08

that was great , yes he has MT gateway , and the link between us will be MT to MT , but not as cpe , i mean the wireless link is between stand-alone AP's connected to MT/PC .. i dont know if I use point to point RIC/522C , and limiting both cpe to a specific tx/rx .. is that correct ?? i think it wi...

samsoft08

ok.. thanks .. that client has a MT Router Os , and he is connected to me wireless by a stand-alone 5G bridge (whatever brand) .. whats the best way to give him his dedicated band ?

samsoft08

anyone ?

samsoft08

I have a client I just want to give him a dedicated bandwidth , so my total band is 2Mbps , and he must get 768Kbps as a max whenever he want to reach the max .. can I do it with simple Q by puting his max limit =768k .. and reserving the 768K by limit at ... i mean limit at=768k .......is that corr...

samsoft08

i dont think they will be available after any MUM , cose its a very top secrect project , they will make it and keep it in thier secret lockers ..

i dont know why keeping these secrets untill the holy MUM ?
would MT competitors be dead after the MUM ??

samsoft08

so What does 300 and 500 indicate to ?????? size of engine or what ??

samsoft08

for the first time i read this topic , i dissapointed !!!!!!!!!!!!! what ??? i have RB44 , so i cant go higher than 1 Mb/s ????? looooooooool
then i relized it was 1064Mb/s ....
thank god ..

samsoft08

Hi normis .. faster routerboards ? do you mean RB333 ? comparing it to 532 whts the differences ? and what does those numbers mean ( 532,333) ???????

samsoft08

in your example , the final result is limiting the user to 128k/128k , but cant we limit him with a simple Queue ? its easier and without any additional rules !!!! my most important thing here is traffic going from A to AB , this link ( we are using SAT bandwidth ) is so expensive and very limited !...

samsoft08

that was great , what if i have 2 radios on each RB ?
2.4G for clients and 5.8G for wds link , I think I should only add the wlan2 to the same bridge ...right ?

samsoft08

you mean its worthless to limit a user to as an example 128K ,while the link between my modem and the ISP is saturated with let's say 500K of the user download ? may be its true .. but the user download depends on his upload , so if I limited his upload I can as a result limit his download and the l...

samsoft08

Ok , my setup is look like your triangle RB's , but consider one of the 3 RB's is connected by wire to a MT/PC which is the main firewall , DHCP ,........etc . now , would the 3 RB's must have the same setup exactly ? I mean the one which is connected to the main MT has the same setup like the 2 oth...

samsoft08

MT/PC -------------- RB=========RB II II II II ====RB====== MT/PC : main gateway,hotspot,firewall,web-proxy ..... etc RB : AP-bridge , 2radios , WDS ---- : wire ==: wireless is this setup correct ??

samsoft08

first : I didnt find PCQ is perfect , always we can see some users got higher bandwidth than the other . second : let's go back to Christian reply when he said : Well, TCP provides for SOME mechanisms to slow down the sending of data when the sender detects that it cannot get the data through at tha...

samsoft08

yes , thats waht i want to be confirmed dear Christian .. for a long time i was wondering what is the benifit of shaping the trafick that coming from my ISP through sat modem ..thats mean whatever i do with my MT , the full controll is belong to my ISP .. right ?? i'm talking about download .. so , ...

samsoft08

can I upgrade RB's by using winbox WIRELESSLY ???

samsoft08

so nive hotel , would this hotel increase the cpu speed ?

samsoft08

its very interisting !!!!!! i think you should write your full wirless setup , is it routing or WDS ?

samsoft08

about hint4: everything is allowed in my country , but is it possible to get antenna for 2.3 ,4 , or 6.1 Ghz ? I have to use omni antennas , couse i want to setup a WDS with about 5 nodes and i want them to connect to each other .. could 65mW R52 with 15 dbi antenna connect to same setup at 3-4 KM d...

samsoft08

if he knows he wouldnt be here asking for a solution or an idea ..

samsoft08

in my country they are crazy of kajilion of watts , they love kajilion , they die on kajilion , one of the wisp named his son " Kajilion " , even the gov. named a street " Kajilion street " ... now , what should i do when i'm in the middle of a forest of kajilion of watts , they ...

samsoft08

I c , but please normis can you write the link to SR2 and SR5 in MT site ..

samsoft08

is it availabe at Mikrotik sales ??
at ubnet.com they mention mikrotik as a reseller , but sales@mikrotik.com said they r not selling but R52 ....!!!!!

samsoft08

what if i want o use it in a WDS nodes as the link interface 5.8G and 15dbi omni antenna , distance about 3-4Km ?? with its 65mW would the link be reliable ?? and if used for clients connection at the wds node (rb532) 2.4G with a 15dbi omni antenna , how long the relible distance will be ??? its 65m...

samsoft08

to Mike-Ubiquiti I found Mikrotik at Ubiquiti web site as one of the resellers , but when i wrote to sales@mikrotik.com the reply that the dont sell these cards (XR2,5) !!!!! and they told me that R52 is tested by some users and they were able to reach 50-75Km !!!!! is that possible with 65mW card i...

samsoft08

please i just wanna know can i run web-proxy when i'm using hotspot ?? can they run together ? couse i couldnt redirect http to the web-proxy..
web-proxy is the default MT web-proxy..

samsoft08

note that IP1 is not bind to MAC2 in the list ..

samsoft08

in the static arp list :
IP1 for MAC1
IP2 for MAC2

if someone got IP1 with MAC2 , can he get in ?

samsoft08

well , i dont know what language i have to use ? english , arabic .. cos i dont know other languages .. what other brand ap you are talking about ? me and many ISP's ((((( forget wireless )))) had test the reply-only features and found that it can be fooled .. why is that ????? this is what we ( not...

samsoft08

5G for the link between RB nodes .. 2.4G for clients .. its a WDS setup consists of 3 RB nodes linked to each other , and one of them is connected with the main MT-PC by wire .. all of the 3 RB's are connected to regular clients (2.4G) with d-link , senao ... etc .. so my question if the single RB m...

samsoft08

if you know exactly what ports do they use you can give them the highest priority ..
i have the same problem .. i'm using internet through satellite .. i cant send any size of files by yahoo msngr or make photo sharing with it ..

samsoft08

tneumann , in a DHCP server ..

samsoft08

cool , so you may answer this question which still not answered by anyone yer :

arp table :
user1 192.168.1.100 mac 11:11:11:11:11:11
user2 192.168.1.101 mac 22.22.22.22.22.22

can any intruder get in by making his parameter like this :

192.168.1.101 mac 11:11:11:11:11:11

??

samsoft08

I read somewhere here that the theoritical MAX clients on a single radio RB532 ia about 50 user .. what if i made a WDS with 3 RB532 , the first one is connected to the main MT-PC , the other 2 RB's are connected to each other and to the first RB .. can I put more than 50 user on the whole network ?...

samsoft08

there is a long delay in the yahoo. messenger , and this when someone trying to write to me , waiting long time then 3 or 4 or 5 lines come at once !!!! anybody notice such a problem ? it happens to every one on my network !!!

samsoft08

is there anything wrong with the latest version ??

samsoft08

yes , changing my AP's to RB is my new plan ..
and i need to know , when i have my main MT-PC as the gateway , web-proxy , firewall , etc .. do i have to let RB to do some firewall , caching or any other jobs beside the main jod which is wireless AP ?

samsoft08

just a question about PCQ :

does PCQ only divide the connections equally , what if there is some connections are much higher in download rate ?

samsoft08

thats right , pppoe is the last and the ONLY secure solution as i think .. but forget hotspot couse its nothing more than a DHCP + login page , and its so easy after connecting to scan all mac's and ip's and get in instead any online user without using user name and password .. and the REPLY-ONLY is...

samsoft08

you think by blocking the bad user topic you are solving a big problem where 10's of ISP's using RouterOS as a router,gateway,firewall,hotspot etc .. forget the wireless .. what about wired users ??????????????????? just solve this puzzle if anybody can .. arp-list ( reply-only) user1 192.168.1.100 ...

samsoft08

I said before , i'm not using MT as an AP , couse I cant , I'm using MT RouterOs on a PC and I have a long distance between MT and the antenna , about 50m , so I'm forced to use another AP on the tower .. thanks for all suggestion .. but no one answered this : arp ( reply only ) list (( and the DHCP...

samsoft08

Im using a stand-alone AP ..

samsoft08

default-forwarding ... where ???

samsoft08

it doesnt matter if he is wired or wireless , he is an old client .. he was connected before .. he got the DAMNED ENCRYPTION in his access point .. changing the encryption is the solution ?? oh really ?? no kidding ?? changing 100's of Ap's encyption wirelessly ?? and mr. janisk would you please exp...

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samsoft08

its the dummiest thing i ever seen and heared ... that bad user succeded to get in my network by taking a mac of one user and an IP of another one , he gave a static IP to his PC .. i wonder how could he get in while i'm using DHCP and a Reply Only arp ? is this possible ?? WHERE is MT here and its ...

samsoft08

Hi guys .. how it going on on Mars ?

samsoft08

virtualmystic , nice solution , another idea instead of pppoe ?
jwcn , you are joking , right ?

samsoft08

he banned from the network ,a non paying user , he got the encryption ( he is wireless ) , he scanned the network before and he got all mac's .. i'm running DHCP . but he can get in : a- with static IP !!!!! b- or by changing his mac to a valid mac in my network !!!! how can I block him ?? such a si...

samsoft08

its not working for me ... the same problem .. i just put the web-server ip address .. and no redirection !!!!!!!!!!!

when i type the server ip : port directly in the user explorer address bar its working ... but not working from the firewall !!!!!!!!

samsoft08

ENABLE it for god sake ...

samsoft08

you mean that the manual example is wrong ?? so why they made 2 pools ??? one for unauthorized users and one for authorized users if the IP wouldnt change anyway ?? forget the encryption , some WISP need to show thier advertising on the log in page of the hotspot , so the cant use encryption . that ...

samsoft08

nazadnan2003, I tried the example above , its working but as you said the real IP is only exist inside the router and the client still got the temp IP and scanning will result all the mac's of the clients .. and this becouse the lease time is repeating it self each time its finished !!! i dont know ...

samsoft08

so what about the example mentioned above about making temporary pool ?? i found it great in theory ..

samsoft08

only in wireless section ??

samsoft08

please i just wanna know whts the point of making parent Q ? can't we just add the second Q alone with parent=none ?

samsoft08

anybody knows how ??

samsoft08

I'm using static DHCP only , binding the user mac to his IP , and it was fine .. but 1- i found someone who is changing his mac to an exist user mac and of course he will get the user IP .. it was a nightmare !!!!! so strange !!!!!! couse he is changing his mac several times in a short time !!!!! 2-...

samsoft08

Yes you can mark all packets goes to the clients from the web-proxy , i'm using this rule in mangle and its working : ;;; Proxy Marking chain=output out-interface=bridge1 dst-address=192.168.1.0/24 protocol=tcp action=mark-packet new-packet-mark=down-packets passthrough=no ....192.168.1.0/24 is my l...

samsoft08

thats right .. but in your post you said 2Mbits which is wrong ..
its 2Mbytes according to the manual..

samsoft08

very important :

from the manual :

connection-bytes=2000000-0 means that the rule matches if more than 2MB has been transfered through the relevant connection

2000000 is 2MByte not 2Mbit...

samsoft08

anyone ????????

samsoft08

in the Abyss web server software i put the 8081 port . when disabled the redirect rule in MT and type http://192.168.1.101:8081 in any browser on the lan its working and it shows the server(192.168.1.101) page .. but when i tried to make redirection it shows the page cannot displayed .. i dont know ...

samsoft08

does the marking rules mark the PROXY packets ??
i think it doesnt ..

samsoft08

i'm testing Abyss web server on my PC which has a local IP , can I redirect non paid clients to this web server ? i tried but ....failed

to-address = 192.168.1.101... to-port = 8081
my local network is 192.168.1.1/24

samsoft08

it doesn't mark the web-proxy packets ....

samsoft08

you can whatever you want with the login page .. just leave the username and password fields as it is or in another place and you can add anything you want.

samsoft08

Hello brother fahed from ksa , 1- you have to change this line if you want to limit your cache object to 30MB max-object-size: 512000KiB >>max-object-size: 30000KiB 2-DONT put anything in the user browser !!!!!!!! just add this to IP>FIREWALL>NAT ;;; Proxy Redirecting chain=dstnat in-interface=(Loca...

samsoft08

Why cant mix simple Q with Q tree ??
please its important to know ..

samsoft08

first , I dont know why to give a user who is downloading a big file a reward for his action by increasing his speed after a period of time while he is eating the bandwidth ? the reasonable thing is to decrease a speed for some one who is still downloading a big files .. second , savage is right , t...

samsoft08

let's assume the following : --packets----> sat modem ----> MT -----> user ---stage1----> sat modem ----> MT --stage2---> user if we made a perfect QoS rules , very perfect lets say , this QoS will effect stage 2 of course .. but would it effect stage 1 ?? lets say , a user is downloading a big file...

samsoft08

does this example marking Proxy packets also ??

samsoft08

you can group those 5 IP's in one address list , mangle , Qtree , PCQ and giving this address list a specific max limit ..
thats mean the 5 IP's will share a MAX limit of X kb/sec EQUALLY ..

samsoft08

ok , i'm not an expert too .. but as i can see that it doesnt worth to fill firewall with rules to equalizing the download , giving some packets high priority and the other packets lower priority , while there is no effect at all on packets flying from the sat modem to the provider !!! all effects w...

samsoft08

dear Equis , it got nothing to deal with the config .. its the traffic flow between a user connected to MT router and the main sat provider .. i'm not talking about how to control .. i'm asking can we really controll ?? do we have anything to effect a flow coming from the provider to MT passing thro...

samsoft08

yes i got it , thank god .. but as i said , thats all MT can do ? waiting for a connection to reach a specific limit then only lowering its priority ? what if i have 512kbit/s only ?? all the clients must wait for some client connection to reach 1 Mbyts = 8 Mbit , then they must wait for other clien...

samsoft08

I was so busy since i run MT 18 months ago with controlling the download bandwidth and equalizing the band between users , i tried many examples , and searching for more all the time .. BUT ... does it really controll the download which came from a sat modem ? or its only controlling what is going o...

samsoft08

thats right MT cache is slow compared with squid .. i tested it and back to squid ..

samsoft08

ok i dont understand the relation between the speed and the total amount of bytes downloaded ..

you mean that we must wait a connection to reach 1Mbyte of total download to lowering its priority ??

it seems that all MT can do about speeding browsing vs big downloading .

samsoft08

gpienaar , you said that you have max of 1Mb download and you are marking packets = 1Mb .. ?? you have 2 types of packets , 1M max packet and >1M packet !!!! so , if onw packet is 1M it will marked as new_packet and it will got priority of 1 .. and it will stay as new_packet ?? eating all your 1M ba...

samsoft08

my friends , please , I peg you , leave this idea , its just an idea ..

samsoft08

do you know what does 20Mbit in satellite world means ???????????
i'll whorship MT if i have 3Mbit not 20Mbit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
actually ....i won't use any Qos if i have 3Mbit ..............................

samsoft08

hey anybody knows how to close a topic !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I QUIT ...
I 'll sell my MT ..
I'll uses d-link router ..
please ..

samsoft08

janisk how come you are such an expert and you couldn't understand an easy task like this ??
anyway i'm not waiting your advice to hire a consultant , i know very well my limitation but at least i can THINK ..

one last think read advantz reply and you MAY understand whts going on in the world ..

samsoft08

this is a smart solution .... thanks advantz ... i hope that MT team would not ignore this issue ...

samsoft08

it seems that u have shares in MT ?? :lol: MT is good but its not perfect .. it can do every thing but its not the top software in everything .. dont forget price/performence !!!!! the summery of your example is prioritizing packets , whatever you do in mangle , at the end you make packet goes depen...

samsoft08

this example is not more than a new version of the other PRIORITIZED QUEUE which is not the solution here ..

Priority queuing is a method whereby the engineer can decide which packets are more likely to be thrown away rather than the router making indescriminant decisions

samsoft08

3. "the other guy" who asked question was replied with solution that he did not evaluate or misunderstood and did not nothing about problem - just trashing in the forum. first : the other guy got a nick name .. second : you think that was a solution for a problem you didnt understand .. ho...

samsoft08

fair use policies is another subject .. its not what i need here ..

samsoft08

ok jose, with your open minded please answer me : can I use burst for EACH CONNECTION alone , not for EACH USER and not for TOTAL BANDWIDTH ..
and can I apply that burst with PCQ ? that burst for EACH CONNECTION.
note : without using SIMPLE QUEUE couse i dont want to limit the user bandwidth ..

samsoft08

is there any method to calculate the connection time ?

samsoft08

is there any method to calculate the connection time ?

samsoft08

so its a matter of cost !!! well , i have to apologize .

samsoft08

please normis , leave the manual and consultation .. and just tell me if its not possible , i'm wasting my time with trying .. ok , can I use burst for EACH CONNECTION alone , not for EACH USER and not for TOTAL BANDWIDTH .. and can I apply that burst with PCQ ? that burst for EACH CONNECTION. note ...

samsoft08

incorrect ? please sir wht is the incorrect ? it's not an invention made by me , it exists , and used by many satellite providers .. limiting nubmer of connections will not help , in this case 1 connection may exceed 200 kb !! while 10 connections may not reach total of 150kb !!!!!! please normis , ...

samsoft08

WHAT IF a client uses any download accelerator ? which split a single file to 10 connections , let's say each connection will be 90kb/s then his total will be 900kb/s !!! but each connection still SMALL relatively .. any new idea ? how to make MT a real traffic shaper which gives the browsing-only c...

samsoft08

i read this article about QoS :
" Priority queuing is a method whereby the engineer can decide which packets are more likely to be thrown away rather than the router making indescriminant decisions. "

http://www.rhyshaden.com/qos.htm

samsoft08

it doesnt matter even if i have 1000 connections , I'm talking about the max available bandwidth , and i only want to speed up the connection first 10 sec .. every user when he open a site he will get the max speed available , and for every site he'll open .. even if there is more than one user open...

samsoft08

Here is a real test for the BURST : burst limit = 200k burst time = 30 sec burst threshold = 90k max limit = 100k http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/6189/burstmodeoa3.jpg as you see , will calculate every 30 sec the average rate , and enable burst if the average is lower than the threshold , so it k...

samsoft08

janisk , it seems by wasting your time telling silly stories and not trying to understand the main point (sorry if offending someone) I guess even the MT experts didnt catch the idea !!! i know most of the sattellite internet providers done this .. we can see it every day when we connect to a sat te...

samsoft08

Dear sergejs , as far as I know , BURST will flip the speed between the max-limit and the burst-limit every n second .. so i dont think it will satisfy my needs .. I already using mangle+Qtree to equalizing connection betwen clients with PCQ , but of course without burst enabled .. i dont want to fl...

samsoft08

well , your idea seems good to me jose , i think its a good solution ..
can you write the code needed in mangle , and how can you recognize the BIG connection from the small one .. please ..

note : how come MT team don't know how to solve such an important matter !!!!!

samsoft08

i dont think its possible !!!!! if its not please reply ...

samsoft08

I want to apply it to each client alone .. and i dont think its possible with Qtree ..
I already using PCQ it works fine but it just dividing the band equally , not exactly what i need for this quality of service ..

samsoft08

All I want is as simple as this drawing : http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4246/burstmethodpl3.jpg thats mean giving highest available bandwidth for the client for the first 10 sec then lowering his band to a specific value .. this will be very helpfull to give a fast browsing and a fair enough do...

samsoft08

can you tell me whts the difference between downloading and browsing ? both are HTTP !!!!!!!
as i read before here , the solution is to give burst time for let's say 10 sec then slowing down the speed to give other clients to browse .. i thought there is another solution ..

samsoft08

i hope that it will be a built-in feature in RB600 ..

samsoft08

so how can we really improve the browsing speed ? and giving the browsing high priority than downloading and other trafik ?

samsoft08

GWISA , your solution is a nice trick .. but jarosoup your suggestion KICKS away nightmares far away , its more reliable , sure it is .. now i have this question , whatever the number of sites and RB's in mesh they'll depend on the first one , which is in my case the MT-PC , so i wonder how many on...

samsoft08

i noticed a difference in prices between NMP-8602 PLUS and the SR2 and they both are 400mW .. i dont know is there huge differences in performence also ??
price difference is about 40$ ..

samsoft08

Why there is no Plug-ins or Add-ons for MT ROS ?
its the secret of success of other giant softwares like 3D-studio MAX , Adobe photoshop and Premiere .. etc .

samsoft08

you can search for the silica formula which gives the amount needed per mW of power , but dont forget that the insect is the best NOISE KILLER ............... looooooooool Coming Soon ..... RB532-IK .......with insect killer .... in the future we shall not ask about wht's the distance or how many us...

samsoft08

even if we use 2 Wireless card ??? 5g for WDS link , 2.4g for clients ??

samsoft08

101 connections are not enogh ???? wht r they doing ???

samsoft08

If we have mesh WDS can we put cache drives and run web proxy on each node , so the clients requests can be done by the AP which they connected to , so we can save more traffic ??

samsoft08

yes you can make groups of users and give each group a dedicated bandwidth to share equally between the members of each qroup .. making groups by using ADDRESS LIST .. marking the traffik by this example from wiki by Valens : http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Queue_with_Masquerading_and_Internal_Web-Pro...

samsoft08

Ok , I got your point , but can we make a seperate rule to mark the traffik that goes from the CACHE drive to the users ?

samsoft08

wht do you mean by through Proxy ?? it was supposed to be traffic from the cache drive , that was the problem before that some topics said that its impossible to mark ... i also repeated the test with 100MB file and its the same , do you mean that any file downloading must pass through the proxy ??

samsoft08

yes , but also the proxy rule counts much higher than the download .. but i read in your wiki that the 1st rule (mangle) is for non-HTTP and direct downloading and the second is for proxy , so does that mean the proxy rule includes ALL HTTP packets ?? even the file which is downloading from the inte...

samsoft08

is WIKI aprooved ??

samsoft08

I will use 2 Radios , 5G for Wds link and 2.4g for clients , but how can i use directional antenna if i want to make mesh WDS , i mean to connect an AP with 2 other AP's ?

samsoft08

its : samsoft08@hotmail.com

samsoft08

many topics , many users , tried to solve the problem of applying PCQ with web-proxy enabled , the problem was packet goes from proxy were not marked , finally i found this WIKI example by Valens : http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Queue_with_Masquerading_and_Internal_Web-Proxy i applied this example as...

samsoft08

its a Mesh WDS nodes , so I have to use Omni antenna on each node , whts the alternatives ?

and I have to use the MT box as the main AP far from the omni about 50m.

samsoft08

csickles , I need to make a setup exactly as your Mesh WDS , I have some questions about that , if you can give me some infoemation about the configuration it will be a great help ,..

my yahoo and msn Messenger is samsoft08 .

thanks ..

samsoft08

is there any suggestion to use MT PC as an AP with 50m lmr400 cable ? using the links above result that its impossible to make that link , if I switched to 400mw SR5 it will be reliable , but if the other nodes is R52 is it compatible to make WDS link between SR5 and R52 ? MT + RB14( SR5 + SR2 ) I 5...

samsoft08

thanks alot , its good simple calculator .. I found that is if i use R52 and long cable >10m then i cant make a relibale link for 3Km distance with 5G band , so how do MT users overcome this issue ? if they want to make thier MT-PC an AP ? Point 1 : MT box + R52 5Ghz -----50m height------ 13db omni ...

samsoft08

thats what i wanted to hear , so is the config will be like that ( of 2.4G ):

/interface wireless set wlan1 mode=ap-bridge band=2.4ghz-b/g frequency=2412 ssid=zone.elitsat.net

samsoft08

how can I calculate the relibality of a connection between 2 R52 5Ghz each one is connected to 13db Omni antenna ,distance is 3km ?

is there any simple calculater for this ? not thise complicated ..

samsoft08

the point is : i want to make 5G busy with WDS , and 2.4G busy with clients .. if the 5G confg will be : /interface wireless set wlan1 mode=ap-bridge band=5ghz frequency=5180 ssid=zone.elitsat.net wds-mode=dynamic wds-default-bridge=bridge1 enable-nstreme=yes enable-polling=yes framer-policy=best-fi...

samsoft08

i saw this setup in many places , it works fine , especially for roaming

samsoft08

for 2.4G ? in the drawing its obvious that i want the 5G only to be WDS connected to other 5G .. sorry if i dont get it , i just want to know if can setup like that , i'd never tested WDS and i want to use it , but i need your experience to help me . the point is : i want to make 5G busy with WDS , ...

samsoft08

valens , so nice .. now , if I have a limited bandwidth , using satellite terminal with 512k download , and I want to share this band equally between users , i have to use PCQ , and this is what i'm using right now .... but when i read your reply i thought of somthing , i think even i'm sharing the ...

samsoft08

thats right , WDS gives you the ROAMING feature as Mobile cells do .. my question is , I just want to seperate clients connection from the WDS connection , thats mean 5G for WDS and 2.4G for clients only , am I correct ? if we ignore the need for roaming feature .. its exactle like this drawing : ht...

samsoft08

ok , so nice .... you mean both bands used as Wds connection AT THE SAME TIME ...is this necessary or just for emergency cases , 5G connection lost .. and using the same Wcard for clients and WDS would it make it slower , i read that once , if its true , can I use only the 5G for backbone WDS ? ok a...

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promind in your setup , are you using 5G for the WDS link of the AP's and the 2.4G for clients connections ? 1- i want to know couse i want to do this with my setup , and i dont see difference between the 2 band setup , is it the band ( 5 or 2.4 ) which will decide ? i mean do the 2.4G Wcards in the...

samsoft08

that was great , Promind.

but there is a line in the MT example whis I didnt found in yours :

/ interface wireless wds add disabled=no wds-address=XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:X1 master-interface=wlan1

wds add , master-interface ....????

samsoft08

UP ^^^

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ok , but the misunderstanding is that this node will connect to the main with Wlan1 and to the clients with Wlan2 , with same ssid ??? i just wanna know the technic or the procedure that goes inside that node is it like that : client ------ (( Wlan2 ----- bridge ------ Wlan1 )) -------Main AP and wh...

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well , i'm very new on RB , and I also have some misunderstanding about bridges !!!! about the IP address : is it correct when I bridged ether1 + wlan1+wlan2 together in the same RB ? so if its correct , should I give the bridge the IP that I want to give to the node ? like: :/ ip address add addres...

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is it nobody using WDS ? its so strange !!!!! or its top secret setup !!!!!

samsoft08

the problem is there is no official examples for a different cases or for the most common cases , wiki and this forum are not official so its only for knowing other users how did they succeded with thier setups , whst if no one accept to write his own succesfull setup ? what we can do ?

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radtke99 , how many Wcards in each AP , can you write your configuration ? we need someone who tested and running WDS with 2Wcards in each AP succesfully .. thanks in advanced

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ok , if we assume that we have 2 Wcards 2.4G for clients and 5G for WDS so it will be like that : /interface bridge port add interface=ether1 bridge=bridge1 /interface bridge port add interface=wlan1 bridge=bridge1 /interface bridge port add interface=wlan2 bridge=bridge1 /interface wireless set wla...

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let see what we have here : http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/291/wds1tx4.jpg 1- AP1 + 2.4GHz WCard + 5GHz WCard . 2- AP2 as station-wds + 2.4GHz WCard + 5GHz WCard 2- AP3 as station-wds + 2.4GHz WCard + 5GHz WCard AP1 is a PC RouterOS .. 2.4GHz is for clients connections. 5GHz is for WDS connections...

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that example in WIKI is a perfect example to build a REPEATER with WDS , no mention to the client AP's to use 2 Wireless cards .. the WDS in the repeater section is OK and understood .. but we need the WDS in the main AP which has 2 Wireless card + 2 ethernet cards this main AP is the main router,ga...

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in the MT how to : http://www.mikrotik.com/docs/ros/2.8/howto/howto.content there is a good and an easy example for how to make WDS using 1 Wlan card at each point .. I guess its not very different setup if we want to use 2 Wlan cards with 2.4 and 5 Ghz band at each AP , using 5Ghz band for WDS conn...

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kiwi-chris and vk7zms , so if I installed RB532 + SR2 + R52 , would it work on 12V Batteries ? and what should i use , POE or power jack ?

another question for all , I need to install a RB14 on my MT ROS box ( P4 PC ) and install SR2 and R52 on it ... is this working ??????

samsoft08

what if i run cach drive in a RB node , ist right or wrong ? that RB node is one of 3 NODES in a WDS setup and its not the main ..

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did MT released the new wireless driver ?
and what about WDS isnt mesh or not ?

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AGAIN ...GWISA my friend ... I was trying to get an answer to my last question to you , IF i wil use RB's as nodes should they act as real routers ? i mean Natting for example ? can i put all my users connected to all my nodes on the same IP range 192.168.1.xx ?? without natting them and make differ...

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http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1015/mumuldismesh2kn5.jpg [/url] [/img] this example from MT wiki is very similar to what i need .. its a WDS example , and I understand it , but when you said forget WDS and make briged network , i need to know what Wireless intefaces will be briged exactly in this...

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And another example - if you have two /or more/ private networks, and want to src-nat them to different src-address: chain=srcnat out-interface=internet src-address=192.168.1.0/24 action=src-nat to-addresses=xx.xx.xx.xx to-ports=0-65535 chain=srcnat out-interface=internet src-address=192.168.2.0/24...

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thanks a lot for giving me such information which i was need it .. it was so good .. my conclusion from your post is : 1- ignore WDS matter cause its only an addition and not a basic thing . 2- bridge is easier than other solution like routing . but still there is major question not answered , if I ...

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its fine right now , great , but i just want to extend my coverage area , and i want to install repeaters , so i think WDS will be a good solution instead of ordinary repeaters also i think if i install RB and making the complete system is MT in addition to my main MT box will be great and easy to m...

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What is the difference between :

;;; masquerade network
chain=srcnat out-interface=internet src-address=192.168.1.0/24
action=masquerade

and

chain=srcnat out-interface=internet src-address=192.168.1.0/24
action=src-nat to-addresses=xx.xx.xx.xx to-ports=0-65535

??

samsoft08

sorry

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would the RB which as used as WDS node acts like any other kind of repeater ? I mean without routing , natting , etc .. or it should be routing and doing the same as any router .. the point is : i want to make WDS and I want to use RB as nodes , completly RB WDS setup , and i want the clients connec...

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does this mean that i cant use RB112 as nodes in WDS setup ?

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HI mushtaq .. shlonak .. where are you from ?

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kiwi-chris .. about the solar charger , could you give me its specification for such application , is 12V 5A solar pannel is enough ?

samsoft08

let me tell you what i need to do , its exactly like this : A- Main AP: 1- MT RouterOS on PC as main Router,proxy,firewall and AP.. 2- wirless card ( ??? ) can handle 40+ user , this card will be in the MT PC. 3- Omni Antenna connected to the Wireless card ( ??? ). B- Nodes : 1- RouterBoard 532 or 1...

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Eugene , normis , that was really a great help thanks alot .. but there's some details not written there ,like what if I'm using RouterOS on PC as the main WDS-AP ? what type of card I need to handle high number of users ? i'd like to know how did the MT users succed in building thier WDS if they do...

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miniPCI_2_PCI adapter ? Why not using PCI wireless card instead ?
about the RouterBoard : if I build a WDS should the RB nodes act as routers or just AP's ?

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HOTSPOT auth by mac doesnt work at all !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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MAC-authentication is implemented in the HotSpot, when client gets authorized in HotSpot as soon as MAC-address appeared in HotSpot host list. Authentication occurs without login/password. HotSpot is the most flexible solution. I tried to do that , but the login page still apears !!!! no access wit...

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I have a plan to build a WDS setup in my area , now I'm using MT on PC , and a standalone AP ,but when i came to the WDS i saw many options to build such a setup , one of them using RouterBoards as NODES , the whole AP's will be MT at the end , I know it will be more easy to manage and to control su...

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in repeater mode , or WDS mode , can we use single wirless card with single antenna ?? i think this is possible but the speed will decrease right ??

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gentelmen , i'm only searching the routerboard forum to discover this router and its feature couse i'm thinking to use it as WDS mesh , now i have one question : why do we need to put more than 1 wireless card in the router ?
forgive me if you found this is a silly question !!!!

samsoft08

I need to know this information too ..
Hydro :
why do you need 532 ? does it mean we cant make WDS with only 112 ? please i want to make WDS and I need this informations ..

samsoft08

ok , what if we use RB112 as WDS nodes ? all the AP's including the master is RB112 .. is it right to use it ?

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i'm using ROS on PC , i never used RouterBoard yet , but i'm thinking to do that , but i found here a limitaion of users per minipci ?? they said 30 user !!!!! is that correct ? what if have 100 user what should i do if i'm using one of these boards as AP ?

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is it the same if we use Q tree to make PCQ eith priorities to HTTP ?
and what if we r using web-proxy ? what about the packets go out from the proxy and its port ? someone in this forum said before that : YOU CANT Q PROXY PACKETS !!!!

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in Dimitry example :

add chain=tcp-services protocol=tcp src-port=1024-65535 dst-port=3128 action=mark-connection new-connection-mark=proxy passthrough=no

if i set the proxy port to 8080 , then the dst-port will be 8080 instead of the default 3128 right ?

samsoft08

if I use Routerboard as node , does it mean that i have to operate it as a router ? or just an AP ?
well , i dont want more complicated network couse I think it would be harder to manage ..

samsoft08

HEEEEEEEEEY !!!!!! 200$ / 10Mbit !!!!!!!!! if i have this price here surely i 'll be the richest man in my country .... my friends this price is for internet by satellite ... too expensive comparing the fiber but this is the only way we can get internet here in IRAQ .. you won't believe if i told yo...

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ok my friend , let's say that i installed a compatable wirless card in MT PC , now it will be the main AP right ? ok , what if i want to build WDS ? i dont want to use router boards as nodes , can I put a stand alone AP's as nodes of the WDS mesh ?

samsoft08

I dont know how to reply couse i didnt found any suggestions in your post sten , anyway , all the WISP in my country use the same policy , 50$/mo for each PC , not 50$ for each client .. we dont sell bandwidth couse as you see it will be expensive ( 3$/kbit ) and we left the speed shared among the u...

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jober :D as the HOLY MT team said always : this forum is USER to USER forum , and as they didnt answer most of the important questions about thier MT , i dont think they have the right to prevent a looser baught thier MT to know whats going on !!!!!!! many posts here of many users they still shoutin...

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you all here talking about using MT as the main AP which i cant becouse the distance between the MT and the main antenna is about 50m which i dont believe it will keep the signal strength as it is , or there is somthing i dont know about that , tell me my friend , as you are a WISP is it better to u...

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arp=reply only is a good solution , but i found that the client mac in the arp list isnt thier LAN cards mac , its thier AP-client mac , so if someone just use a hub and connect 2 or more PC's to his AP-client , how can i prevent him if his AP-client mac already allowed in the list ? You shouldn't ...

samsoft08

thanks alot it was very helpful ..

only one thing more , is there any master/slave node in the mesh ? i heared that you have to make the first node (which connected to the router by wire) as a master and the other as slaves ..

samsoft08

GWISA , I'm thinking of a project as yours , but I have only theoritical information about WDS , and I'm not using MT as a wireless AP couse i have to use 50m RF cable , i'm using a stand alone AP.. well , how can i get more information about WDS ? I have some questions like why do we need to connec...

samsoft08

arp=reply only is a good solution , but i found that the client mac in the arp list isnt thier LAN cards mac , its thier AP-client mac , so if someone just use a hub and connect 2 or more PC's to his AP-client , how can i prevent him if his AP-client mac already allowed in the list ?

samsoft08

What about LAN users ? how can we filtering them by thier MAC's ?

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tha total power out of the inverter is about .6 Amp which i dont think its too much .

JP , thats what i want , can you tell me where can i find somthing like that ??

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JP , we are using two car-type 150Ah batteries and a 750 inverter , i have different story than the others , i'm running the following equipments: 1- Satellite internet modem 2- 24 port switcher. 3- MT router os on PC. 4- D-link 2100 AP + 24 dbi grid. 5- Alcon 250 mW outdoor AP + omni 6- Amplifire ...

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how much does it cost the Marine battery ?

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thanks alot , good informations ..
the most important thing here , there is no bad effect on the network performance in each setup.

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ok pacman , is it the only reason ? to hide the wirless unit from the customers ? or there is somthing deals with the performance of the network ?

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THANKS A LOT , I understand what you are doing , but let me explain my question again : MT RouterOS on PC ===> Access Point ---wireless---Client AP===client PC my MT router DHCP range is 192.168.1.x all clients PC's using IP range 192.168.1.x aquired by DHCP i'm asking about the Clients AP's , now i...

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and who can decide this is a SMART question or not ? if you dont know how to answer a SMART answer so let the others do .. the AP clients will work either if its on the same subnet or not , but which is the right way ?

samsoft08

mmmmmmmm , no one using ap clients ?? so hoe does ur client connect to ur networks ??

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