100G BiDi ER 40km | FEC 91 | No Link

Hi Guys,

recently i have bought a CRS520 and a CRS504 and inserted a QSFP28 optical module (Q.B161HG.40.YZI / Q.B161HG.40.ZYI). It took about 5 Minutes to get the link shown up as “running”. So i thought, that the autosensing is the part that needs that time to get a sync between both ends.

So i setted 100G-baseSR4-LR4 as speed with full-duplex and fec to fec91 as Ethernet / FEC Documentation suggests.

But as i have setted fec91, the link went down and did not come up again.

I changed that setting to fec74 on both ends and the link went up.

Is there an issue with current firmware 7.15.3?

The FEC setting is a mess, just an example from various vendors (note that there are updates to this matrix not reflected on this link):

https://www.moduletek.com/en/application_notes/an_00096.html

So what do you have on the other end of this cable?

My setup looks like this:

CRS520 // Module: Q.B161HG.40.YZI
---- Fiber-Link Singlemode Singlefiber 28km length ----
CRS504 // Module: Q.B161HG.40.ZYI

Current settings on both sides:
Speed: 100G-baseSR4-LR4 Full-Duplex
FEC: fec74

Since that is a BiDi interface you must have one downlink variant on one end of the cable and one uplink variant on the other.

For example where one of the transceivers RX:1310nm + TX:1550nm then the other one (on the other end of the cable) must be: RX: 1550nm + TX: 1310nm otherwise it wont work.

This gives if you got two uplink variants (one at each end of the cable) it wont work.

Edit: BiDi = BiDirectional, uses a single LC simplex instead of a LC duplex to transmit. That is using a single fiber instead of one fiber in one direction and another fiber in the opposite direction.

Yeah this is all clear for me, i am in for 20 years in that technology.

but the issue starts with selecting fixed FEC setting.

For 100G the standard is fec91.

If i set fec91 on both ends, the link went down and will not restore. So it is unfunctional.

If i set fec74 on both ends, the link went up.

But fec74 is not supported on 100G interfaces, as told by Mikroitk Documentation Ethernet / FEC Documentation

If i set FEC to auto, it takes up to 5 minutes to get the link into running state.

Standards are there mostly for inter-vendor interoperability. In your case you have single vendor (one for SFPs and one for routers) so use whatever works for you.
Just keep a (mental) note just in case you have to replace any piece of equipment and things break then.

Seems like these FEC values gets common these days: 74, 91 and 108. While Mikrotik currently doesnt seem to support FEC108.

In http://forum.mikrotik.com/t/100g-bidi-er-40km-fec-91-no-link/177826/1 you wrote that you had the same BiDi on both ends of your cable which will explain why it currently doesnt work out for you since you need a downlink BiDi at one end and an uplink BiDi on the other end of the same cable.

Okay, so in the end of the day we can go with

IF IT WORKS, IT WORKS
dont ask any further questions

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