Hello,
probably someone asked you already this thing.
You have a product with extended range temperature and watchdog support.
I can install this product on client remote sites on the outside (in a ip water proof container) and I am sure that it works always and if there are problems it auto reset itself.
The problem is that to connect to adsl I need a modem. Adsl modems have NO watchdog and NO extended temperature range. So it may happen that adsl modem brokes and even if mikrotik router is perfectly working I cannot reach it from internet.
So… please add adsl interface to your routers, you can extend your market.
Probably I have not explained myself. The IP67 case is not a problem.
I am talking about the fact that most advantages of mikrotik routers (watchdog, extended temp range) are wasted when you use a standard adsl modem in a remote installation.
So in the (niche?) market of remote (outdoor) installations for remote control I cannot use mikrotik routers.
I have bought several mikrotik routers if they have adsl integrated.
mgiammarco, try Draytek modems they will do full bridge, as well as PPPoE–>PPPoA proxy and seem to be very reliable. We have them installed at client branch offices at the other end of the county and have no issues with them.
I have noticed they seem to be popular with other Mikrotik users as well.
I think integrated is a very bad idea unless it’s implemented modular like on a minipci or something.
The reason for this is that different providers are using different technologies and I don’t want to change routers every time I switch providers or the provider to change it’s network technology. For example where I’m living providers are phasing out ADSL and rolling out VDSL2+. And what about cable modems etc ?
VDSL2+ Modems can be backwards compatible, depending on chipset and software implementation.
For example, Thomson TG787v Modems are VDSL2+ compatible and have ADSL fallback.
Also, I know of the Pirelli AV4202N VDSL2+ Modem, which is backwards compatible to ADSL2+ as well.
By themselves, a lot of VDSL2+ chipsets on the market are backwards compatible, but modem manufacturers usually skip implementing the ATM Protocol (which would be needed for ADSL mode operation).
Now what about an “nstreme”-like protocol for two copper wires? MikroTik devices at both sides - at the TelCo and at the customer premise.
This would be needed for HDTV at distances from 500m to 2-3km, utilising the telephone copper wires already in place underground.
These devices would compete with ADSL, VDSL for big telecom purchases and with Ethernet Extenders for smaller volumes. MikroTik could use what they know for nstreme on wireless and try to make something like that for already existing ADSL, VDSL and other chipsets, or they could work together with a chipset manufacturer to make a new chipset. One that would put ADSL, VDSL, and the classic ethernet extenders, modems etc crap in history.
To achieve that the new product would need to enable greater speeds, greater packet rates, greater QoS, better ping etc, and basicly HDTV.
p.s.: what about bonding of sets of telephone wires - two lines, trhee lines, four lines etc..
p.s. 2: don’t make this product because it will be a hit to the (small) ISP industry because we compete with the stinking ADSL, providing better service via 100m and 1gig ethernet.
Now what about an “nstreme”-like protocol for two copper wires? MikroTik devices at both sides - at the TelCo and at the customer premise.
This would be needed for HDTV at distances from 500m to 2-3km, utilising the telephone copper wires already in place underground.
Well, that is easier said than done.
I work at a DSL ISP which does ULL (unbundling) and therefore operates it’s own DSLAMs and the other related “crap” as you named it
The fact is - there is no way in hell that you are ever going to be allowed to operate some strange mikrotik copper-nstream over the public telephone network because of the interference etc. it will cause to the other phone lines.
While it would still be possible to develop something like that, it will definitely be confined to indoor cabling because no telco company in the world will ever allow you to use it in the public phone network. at least not in western europe.
In fact I think it would be smarter to just build some routerboard with a VDSL2 or ADSL2+ chipset on board. These are proven to work and you can actually use them because they are allowed by telco regulations.
The ADSL2+/VDSL2 Chipset could then be elegantly abstracted by Mikrotik, e.g providing a PPP channel per ATM virtual circuit or an ethernet interface if operated in Ethernet over ATM mode (ADSL) or just treating it like another Ethernet Interface (VDSL2 - supports VLANs etc as it transports Ethernet natively, not ATM).
PS: If there are any movements inside Mikrotik to implement ADSL/VDSL chipsets - please take a closer look at the broadcom chipsets - they are usually of higher quality and capability than the outdated Texas Instruments chipsets. Also they can be nicely controlled in Linux using the adslctl tool.
There is no way you could connect to any ADSL DSLAM that way as ATM is the only transport protocol that ADSL understands.
VDSL2 uses PTM (Packet Transfer Mode), which is a bit more efficient when transporting Ethernet.
Also, ADSL is a master/slave connection, the Modem (more specific the chipset built into the modem) is the slave - so connecting two adsl equipped mikrotiks together via ADSL won’t work.
And what if the new chipset could auto-detect if the wires are twisted pair or coaxial. And what if it could co-operate with TV on the same coaxial cable.
