Fundamental problems at MikroTik

<mikrotik doesn’t care anyway>

What you write is complete nonsense. We have been giving out source code according to GPL requirements for many many years. This is why I asked if you only rely on 10 year old posts or you actually tried to ask yourself

@Normis - despite of that part, the rest is pure gold. Think it over.

<mikrotik doesn’t care anyway>

This is not true, I don’t know what to tell you. Maybe you were banned from the forum for your style or angry writing, not for asking about gpl. Just let out your anger in some other place and simply go and ask mikrotik for the GPL source. Maybe if you tried it, you would know the truth.

<mikrotik doesn’t care anyway>

If you need full GPL source, just email mikrotik, this topic is about 7.12 problems. Here nobody can give you source code.

This logic does not make sense. In that case closed source drivers would not exist, and you would not be able to run any commercial software, and commercial linux distros would not exist.
Or even more absurdity from your logic, any software compiled with GPL tools should also be opensource?

<mikrotik doesn’t care anyway>

not everyone agrees with this “logic”, it is only one opinion, there is a lot of discussion about this in the open source world

<mikrotik doesn’t care anyway>

Did you read the rest of the page? Check point e)

<mikrotik doesn’t care anyway>

It has already been done! We have been in contact with FSF.
Like I told you many times, you are basing your opionion on somebody who posted in the forum 10 years ago.
This is the wrong topic for this.

<mikrotik doesn’t care anyway>

So that it’s not just public disinformation, post your mikrotik ticket number where you were denied the source code.

I don’t know what that number would change to the public and I don’t know why you are accusing me of disinformation. If your practices were changed since the time I asked, then anybody can easily verify it at anytime right now.

From https://mikrotik.com/downloadterms.html

This CD will only include the source code of the following programs and any non-proprietary programs distributed according to license requirements.
This CD will not include MikroTikls proprietary SOFTWARE.

I am - one more time - VERY disappointed of the way how you treat customers, especially those like me who point out what’s wrong with your products from the user’s point of view - that should be valuable to you. I dedicated two hours of my time to talk to you and the level of the conversation reached the point at which I don’t want to devote my time anymore, as you are not interested in finding solutions, but focusing on eristics. For me, the topic is closed.

@rtlx: if you make suggestions like “fire 90% of the staff” you are completely disqualifying yourself, or any valid points you might be making. Are you a member of the team, knowing all the intrinsic workings of this company? Or do you come to this conclusion perhaps 1000s of km away from the company?

If you are unhappy with the product, it is very easy to change to a different vendor…

Hi,

I am not familiar with the OP, as it has been edited. It sounds as if there is some argument regarding the source code (of what exactly?)

If I may just use the context and add my 2 cents:

When I read something like “To get a CD with the corresponding source code for the GPL-covered programs in this distribution, wire transfer $45 to MikroTikls SIA” I wonder what the expectations of the text author were and how many actually paid for something which is unavailable for $0 anyway. What were the money used for? - Donations to the FSF? Or to the free software projects sharing their work publicly?

Making all the software of Mikrotik free (as in freedom) will only bring thousands of new happy customers and a significant commercial boost to the company. There is absolutely nothing to loose from that. It is not RouterOS being closed that makes Mikrotik products great and competitive. It is what makes them great with a big grain of salt.

Speaking of “fundamental problems” (whatever meaning this may have implied):

Fixing the current “documentation” and its difficult-to-read-kind-of-machine-translated-not-really-English language would add another boost. FWIW, I do have an unreplied ticket on the subject (133320) since 3.Nov.2023.

Considering the edits, I may be out of line here.
But who am I to talk anyway? Just some paying customer struggling to find one’s way…

Fake news :cnn:
Nobody is asking $45 USD to get GPL covered source.