Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

I would like a device, about the size of the hAP AC, that includes a built-in rechargeable battery. It will provide all the features of the hAP AC, with the added bonus of being able to route traffic over the LTE interface via my AT&T sim card (USA).

For my needs RBM11G and RBM311G or wAP R are more then I need with Huawei ME909s-120.
Any LTE card/product which have same performans like this card, BUT WITH FULL SNMP support (Tehnology, signal status, station ID…) and maybe with GPS support, are 10/10 for me.
3G support is need, because MT board are sometimes on ships, so they move, and LTE are not present all the time.

And if that LTE product will be cheaper from Huawei LTE… WAUUUU :slight_smile:

Regarding your current products, I’d appreciate better-supported bands. Band 2 is part of PCS, but is a subset of band 25. Band 4 is part of AWS, but not all. Band 4 is a subset of band 66 and 70 adds some more not covered in other AWS-related bands. Band 5 is called CLR, but is a subset of band 26. Band 12 is often called the 700 MHz band and includes band 17. Why couldn’t they have used a chip that supported 25 and 26? Is band 17 covered if it has band 12?

I would like to see bands 41and 48 supported, but am aware that’s not a universal requirement.

Is anyone other than AT&T doing anything in band 46?

  1. Starting Cat 6 is good!
  2. Most? Too many providers here to choose a specific combinations
  3. Yes! 3G is still needed for backup
  4. Austria/Europe
  5. Drei, A1 and T-Mobile Austria

Currently we use LTE modems with bridge from our LTE providers, i actually know that T-Mobile and Drei missed out on ordering CAT6 Routers in time.

+1 for dual sim card


ensure support for LTE-A if not already

Why we need sim cards. World is moving towards sim card free. Sim card is so yesterday

Really? I remember the days when SIM card was tomorrow!
(in the systems before GSM there was no SIM card and there had to be a transfer of secret key information
from the equipment manufacturers to the operators, which was very complicated. SIM cards were introduced
so this could be handled from within the operators and the equiment manufacturers were no longer involved
in the subscriber - operator relation)

What @Tw0kings writes about is Embedded SIM (or eSIM). That’s SIM card functionality, but implemented inside SOC (or whatever powers mobile radio terminal). Which is something that phone producers try to push (less space needed inside phones, one less hole to make dust&water tight, …) but is a nuisance for network operators because it imposes much more work when provisioning new user into subscribers database (some extra steps need to be taken). It also opens potential security hole as eSIM provisioning is done over-the-air and what can legitimately be done (e.g. when changing operator), can also be hacked/abused.

  1. Which LTE Category you are interested in most - CAT6, CAT7, CAT9, CAT11, CAT12, CAT16 or some other?
    The higher the better. Not necessarily for throughput but due to support latest 3GPP release.

  2. Which LTE bands and which Carrier Aggregation combinations should be supported?
    Not sure.

  3. Should it also support Legacy technology like 3G or 2G?
    Decommission date for AT&T 3G is 2/2/2022. 2G is already decommissioned.

  4. Which World/Region/Country would you use it?
    USA

  5. Which LTE carrier provider you are interested connecting and is there speed/monthly cap for the subscription plans?
    Yes, most accounts are not “unlimited” even though that plan exists. I would want the ability to throttle (maybe 12Mpbs or so) so that my services could keep running but not blow through an entire data plan during an outage.

Currently I’m using an old USB (Cat 1 probably) device. It’s signal is pretty weak and the speeds are too barely adequate. I would like to see support for more USA embedded modules, such as Sierra Wireless. Also, would be nice to see more routerboards come with an empty PCI slot (thinking RB3011 with plenty of interior enclosure space) so that I can add LTE card.

We operate a band 42/43 (soon be combined into a single band 48, under new CBRS rules) network in the USA, and would love to see cost-competitive CPE options from MikroTik for this band. Not just for the cost reasons, but also for the flexibility that RouterOS would bring (and also because we are familiar with RouterOS already). Current CPE options in this band in the States are very limited (just a couple of vendors with FCC-certified gear that we can buy).

The network is being operated as a fixed-install (non-mobile) network, and we do not care about 2G/3G backwards compatibility in the CPE.

This band is starting to become a popular option in the U.S. and I think you would find a marketplace here that would be very interested in what you could bring to the table.

– Nathan

Another South African sysadmin here. Don’t forget about the new RAIN LTE network.
I agree with the request about adding a second SIM card, it would help a lot with failover between different providers.

And I also think a stronger antennas would be awesome, with the ability to add external antennas if needed.

Please add for the following Frequencies / bands to be supported:
1800Mhz
2600Mhz
TD-LTE

Don’t forget that TDD LTE comes in bunch of frequency bands as well … you can check the list on the intetnet, one is available on Wikipedia. It’s not the most comprehensive either.

Fo me:

We would like to know our customer wishes and use cases on what kind of future LTE technology would be interested in?

  1. Which LTE Category you are interested in most - CAT6, CAT7, CAT9, CAT11, CAT12, CAT16 or some other?
    As high as possible, more and more of our operators are rolling our high CAT networks

  2. Which LTE bands and which Carrier Aggregation combinations should be supported?
    800, 1800, 2100, 2500, 2600, 3600

  3. Should it also support Legacy technology like 3G or 2G?
    3G - Yes
    2G - Don’t care, it’s toll slow to be useful anyway

  4. Which World/Region/Country would you use it?
    UK / Europe

  5. Which LTE carrier provider you are interested connecting and is there speed/monthly cap for the subscription plans?
    We use Vodafone, O2 and EE in the UK - as resellers we can set our own data caps

First of all, please make the transceiver module exchangeable thus do not limit the solution to some specific bands. In that way we can future-proof our customer installations for emerging transmission technologies only by replacing the transceiver module. Think a SXT LTE with a M2 or PCI-SIG compatible connector with at least 2x2 MIMO antenna capabilities.

If possible please support builtin dual band (or alternatively separat models) with MIMO antenna capabilities for:

  1. Low frequency bands 700-900 Mhz which is widely used in rural regions.
  2. Hi frequency bands 1800-2600 Mhz for urban areas.

Our primary business cases are based on:

  1. LTE as backup for wired data connections.
  2. P2P for local businesses that do not have access to wired connections.
  3. Security systems and video surveillance. (M2M)

Question 1. Which LTE Category you are interested in most - CAT6, CAT7, CAT9, CAT11, CAT12, CAT16 or some other?
Answer: CAT 0 (M2M) and CAT6 (4×4 MIMO) and on forward.

Question 2. Which LTE bands and which Carrier Aggregation combinations should be supported?
Answer: Channel aggregation within the primary band is a part of the LTE advanced CA standard but I’m not sure it support out of band aggregation. But if that’s the case any solution will much depend on the antenna capabilities.

Question 3. Should it also support Legacy technology like 3G or 2G?
Answer: Not necessary. Maybe UMTS/WCDMA but not plain old 2G (GSM) thats to slow for data transmission.

Question 4. Which World/Region/Country would you use it?
Answer: Any! Mostly EU and north America.

Question 5. Which LTE carrier provider you are interested connecting and is there speed/monthly cap for the subscription plans?
Answer: Most cases unlimited for regular data transmission. Telemetry subscriptions (M2M) we use are normally capped to 20-25 Mbit/s but offers roaming between multiple operators.

  1. lte advanced cat 12
  2. Carrier aggregation between 2100MHz KPN / Vodafone
  3. We have a Vodafone subscription that runs about € 50, - a month and there is normal speed
    Mechanic
  1. Bands 3,7,20, & 40
  2. Definitely
  3. Nigeria in Africa
  4. All the 4G carrier providers in Nigeria.

I would like to see an hEX/wAP hybrid, an hEX with LTE module, or wAP with 4 ports, would be really appreciated.
I’d also like to see a mobile LTE RB for Wi-Fi, I don’t know the exact name or those things.
Another thing:
I wrote to support because wAP wasn’t able to connect with custom APNs and you resolved this with a new LTE firmware, a thing that is missing is the possibility to upgrade the firmware via web, like RouterOS, and not like now with ATDT commands.

We have a LOT of B41 2.5-2.7Ghz spectrum, and would love to see Mikrotik make some Cat12 CPE’s, are you also planing on making the eNb/RRU basestations to go on the the tower side? Also FCC is opening up the B41 for re-licensing very soon…

Hi, Along with a lot of folks who have already responded, I’d like to see fast modem cards supported. Cat 6 is a minimum for me. I’m not very interested in tinkering with all the settings and having to troubleshoot problems setting it up with the Routerboard (or future equivalent), so I suggest some sort of configuration wizard for the folks like me and advanced options for the cognicienti. A few further thoughts:

Will these fast modem cards run hot? Maybe you would need to look at 1) passive heat management - improved heat sinking for example and 1) active heat management; we don’t want these expensive cards to get fried, so (assuming that you have access to heat sensors on the chips) you could reduce the clock speed temporarily when they get too hot. However, I want my solution to run as fast as possible, so I’d be unhappy if it was down-clocking all the time.

Will the RouterBoard hardware and software fully support high speed modem cards? I note that some of the cards currently supported only run in PPP mode. There’s not much point in folks investing in top-end modem cards if the rest of the solution isn’t able to support it. That goes for the processor as well, of course. In fact, I’d be happy to buy a Mikrotik-supplied modem card if it was certified. Again, I don’t want to spend my time troubleshooting.

In addition to the basic modem/router setup, I think it would be great if you brought out some integrated solutions with parabolic antennas, for those of us living in remote places a long way from the cell tower. Something along the lines of NetMetal with MTAD-5G-30D3-PA for example. Only adapted for 4G / LTE frequencies. Or alternatively like the LHG XL HP5. Again, adapted for 4G / LTE frequencies.

Finally, if you could make it possible to upgrade to 5G (when it comes), instead of throwing the whole 4G / LTE solution out and starting again, that might be a great proposition to the consumer as well as a sticky commercial proposition for yourselves. But maybe that’s too much to ask. The main thing is to get some refreshed and reliable product out ASAP.

Thanks for asking.

The flash size on the wAP is too small for our application. We have 900+ installations on 951G hardware. Future plans wilkl require us to support an LTE interface (US, Verizon, bands 2, 4, and 13). A wAP R 2nD -LTE would be a very satisfactory platform except for the limited flash size (16MB) since 11 MB of this 16MB flash are taken by the basic ROS installation. Is there a hardware version with greater memory in the future plans?