Insights on Hap be lite

Hi,
I'm looking for a new WiFi router now that I have fiber. Nothing fancy, just 500 Mbit/s for a home lab setup with Home Assistant and several gadgets like cameras and storage. About 100 m² to cover, though mesh or even a repeater would be an option if the signal turns out too weak.

MikroTik routers look good to me, since I like having more control and long firmware support. I was wondering if anyone has insights on the hAP be lite yet? It has a MediaTek CPU, and I've read bad things about those in the ax S models. Originally I was considering the hAP ax², which would be sufficient for me despite the worse cooling compared to the ax³ and the missing USB port.
Ideally the hAP be³ would be more future proof, but it isn't available in Germany right now.

Has anyone here run the be lite or the ax² in a similar setup? I'd be glad to hear about your experience, especially regarding stability and real world throughput. Or should I wait for the be3? Any other recommendations are welcome too.

Hi,

there are a lot of topics covering your questions.

Search the forum for hap ax or be and you can check what the opinios are like?
hap be is quite young device so there is not to much experience with it.

Thanks, I tried to do my research beforehand and only found a comparison between the ax² and the be lite from a few months ago. The latest answers regarding the be lite also seem to be from last month, so I'm wondering if there are any newer insights by now.

Which information are you looking for? I have a be lite, maybe I can provide some insights.

Thanks, some questions:

1. Stability first: do you see any problems or drops with the MediaTek CPU and the wifi driver, like radio dropouts that need a reboot? Perhaps also, which RouterOS version are you running?

2. How is the WiFi coverage? Is the range what you expected, any problems so far?

3. Any cooling problems? Does the case get noticeably warm?

Do you maybe have a comparison to the ax² or ax³? Like suitable as the main wifi router for a house

Would you buy it again today, or wait for the be³?

With 7.23.2, I had wifi connection drops. These are gone since 7.24rc1, and connections are stable. However, with 7.24rc I see occasional kernel crashes, which lead to an automatic reboot, resulting in ~1 min disconnection and a new DFS check before 5GHz wifi comes up again. rc2 was around one reboot per day, with rc3 it went down to aprox. once per week. I cannot say anything yet for rc4, which just came out yesterday.
MLO was unstable until incl. 7.24rc2, so I disabled it. With 7.24rc3, MLO is stable, but wifi throughput is slower with MLO, so I keep it disabled. I do not see any significant advantage of MLO anyway, since roaming from 5GHz to 2.4GHz is pretty fast and seamless, and max. wifi throughput is CPU limited and cannot benefit from MLO.

No problems with wifi coverage so far, and perfectly within my expectations. I have the impression that it is slightly better than the ax2 I used before, and covers the ~100qm area it is supposed to cover without issues.

No cooling issues. CPU temperature is around 63°C at 29°C ambient temperature.
The device uses only ~5W idle (with one LAN cable connected) and up to 8.5W with full wifi load.

I have a comparison to the ax2. However, I use both devices as access point (AP) only, since I have an opnsense for routing and firewalling.
In my setting, I have chosen the be lite as main AP and moved the ax2 to a secondary area. Reason is that the wifi throughput is significantly better with the be lite due to the 160MHz band width in 5GHz.
Maximum wifi throughput of the be lite is ~850mbit/s, CPU limited. I see numbers up to 750mbit/s even through one wall, all measured with iperf3 in local network. Typical throughput is between 450-750mbit/s in a crowded neighborhood.

For lan connections, ports 2 to 4 are HW offloaded and do switching at line speed independent of device load, even with vlans in place, which is great.
The picture changes when transferring from port 1 to the other lan ports, since the traffic has to go through the cpu then. In this case, I see speed decreasing on lan when wifi is at full load, probably due to the cpu reaching its limits. On idle/low wifi load, it operates at line speed with one lan port connected (1gbit/s).
As a result, the 2.5gbit/s lan 1 port only makes limited sense. Wifi will not go beyond 850mbit/s, individual lan ports are limited to 1gbit/s. With traffic on both wifi and one lan port, you can get somewhat above 1gbit on port 1, but utilizing the full 2,5gbit might only be possible without high wifi load and utilizing all the lan ports in parallel, which I did not test.

After receiving the be lite I have tested it as router in default config. Basically I see very similar throughput to what I see without any firewall rules as access point, which I think is pretty good given its limited CPU resources.

Seeing the reports about high idle power consumption and heat problems with the be3, I canceled my plans to eventually upgrade to the be3 for now and will stick with the be lite as main AP. I believe that the reboot issues will be finally resolved soon, and in real world it is acceptable for me. No complaints from my family members either.

In total, the be lite is not a device to fall in love with for me. But it is one of those compromises that are simply good enough for the job and hence stay in place, because it just works. So yes, after several weeks of real world experience, I would buy this device again.

Hmmm. That is nearly impossible. You did a very good job in installing it :slightly_smiling_face: replacing AP seamlessly.

My guess is that family members of @jaywalker do complain. Just that he refuses to tie complaints to hAP be lite ... I wonder what's his excuse :wink:

It's just a matter of determination and the number of prayers offered to the IT god. :slight_smile:

Yes of course they do complain. But not about the wifi. :smile:

I checked MLO performance with 7.24rc4 today. It is now delivering about the same speeds as 5Ghz delivers without MLO. I will keep MLO enabled to test stability further.

While measuring performance with iperf3 in local network I observed that about 500-600mbit/s throughput on a wifi6 device cause about 80% cpu load on the be lite, while about 700-800mbit/s throughput with MLO and a wifi7 device cause only about 65-70% CPU load. It seems that wifi7 received some performance improvements.

No crashes with 7.24rc4 so far.