HI,ALL
couple days ago my ISP cut my network off, because they dont want user pay as one PC use, but connect many PC in there.when they detected more than one PC will stop my network service. I’m use DSL modem.Is there possible with ROS to make not detectable how many PC in my network.
thanks!
Depends on how smart your ISP is.
Not very…
Nat your network… Or run a shared network on your computer and hook your equipment up to your computer. -Jordan
Not a good idea it will much slower ..
how to nat network ,can you explain simply. thanks!
To stupid to cheat his ISP. Whats next?
I want to steal can you give me a hint how
to do it without beeing seen?
Dont believe it.
Stefan
channingou do you use a mikrotik router or what? if yes, look here:
http://www.mikrotik.com/testdocs/ros/3.0/qos/nat_content.php#.3.2
it explains exacly what you want - to “hide” your local network
Believe someone posted that when you NAT it changes the TTL. So if your ISP is smart, even if you NAT it can be detected.
Yep. Depends on ISP, I believe you can get a buisness account and you will not have that restriction. And there are Other ways. Other than natting i do believe.
IM guessing you work for one of these companys lol. 
(I just hope you dont think that Those ISP’s you speak of have halo’s over there head. (They have there cruked curves aswell… . But that is way off topic… -Jordan
that’s right! im using ROS and have command added
/ip firewall nat add chain=srcnat action=masquerade out-interface=Public
but they still can detected.
yes, but it will cost me more ,i’m not in business, just home use.
yes, but it will cost me more
Well your ISP obviously considers you a business because you use more than a single computer.
I had a customer call and complain because I had grossly limited their speed because of excess traffic. Turns out they have six computers connected. I told them the same thing, sorry that isn’t normal residential use.
Pay them the extra money.
Do that computer thing like i told you and see if that does not work. Slow or not that will atleat find out if NAtting your network will work.. Im not sure of your configuration already… But shut down al lthe computers except one setup your #1 computer run the shared Network setup, and hook all your other computer up to that computer. If it works then you need to work on your natting skillz of your Mikrotik unit because your doing something wrong. -Jordan
If you have at least a 400MHz PC and 2000/XP, you can use internet connection sharing and it doesn’t really slow down your internet access. If you have a 100Mb net connection, maybe so, but it will take quite a bit to cause a problem.
I personally don’t care how many computers my customers hook up. I’m selling them a fixed service. If they decide to spread that over 6 PC’s in the same house, thats their problem. I’ll treat their connection the same, whether its one computer running uTorrent or 10, they push the limits, they’ll get cut back.
Hi Oldman ;
No you should care like us , if everyone in your area took one connection and split it to 3 or more pc’s then you will lose , but if each house or office take from you connections refer to the number of pc’s they have you will gain more and increase your profit .
so you should find a way with us to prevent them hooking up many pc’s to single connection .
Normis ; is it real that even with the use of a router or sharing i could know that the user is connecting many pc’s to the link ? how can i prevent the user from connecting many pc’s to the link by the MT ?
with best regards .
Exactly, ONly when they find a P2P program that surpasses the queue’s then it becomes a problem… -Jordan
While this is true, is it justifiable? If a customer pays for a fixed amount of data per month at a certain speed why should it matter if you how many computers use that connection behind the gateway? All they’re doing is potentially slowing down the speed the connection-sharing computers access the Net at.
Hi ;
Thanks for your reply .
this is good to let everyone understand exactly what are the problems the wireless ISP suffer from and to point where is the problems many face with the service .
as we mainly deal with VSAT systems , and as i tried many ISP services let’s say when i am using a service which it give me about 200 kbps . when i am using this alone it great and when the number of pc’s behind the MT server increase the service become slow and slow and when you look inside the queue page you see each one use small share of the bandwidth and there should be other space in the band to use but the service become slow .
i think the isp is limiting the sessions number per package .
so when many sessions opened even if they all not use all the band , it makes the number of sessions exceed the limit and then we have to lose money again to increase the bandwidth to give good service to clients .
so if i give 32 kbps / 64kbps for each wireless user he could use it not fast but it will work fine with some sessions .
but when he hookup many pc’s and each pc open let’s say 10 sessions then they will make me lose at the end .
by the way i think to open a single web page you are going to open not lease than 4 sessions .
here i would like to ask a question and maybe the unswear will be as i am saying is that i exceed the number of sessions allowed by the ISP .
i have a VSAT modem it give me the full band and more it is 512 / 128 kbps , when the graph of the modem reach about 200 kbps the service slow down while i still have about 300 kbps to use ???
also here i would like to put two questions :
I don’t have that problem. I am plugged directly into a Cisco router with my 1.5mb of a 10mb fiber. Anything behind that is my choice. I am also running QoS for that company and I limit their customers to 300 connections per user. I limit mine to 300 per CPE, and my active connections aren’t limited upstream from me.
If someone manages to go over the limits I give them, they can pay more or deal with lower performance. I don’t care if they have 25 PC’s hooked up in a house or office, they’re only getting what they pay for.
Hi Oldman ;
we are saying what if your ISP limit your connections ? , what you will do ? .
to open a single web page , how many connection will be opened for it ? , and for the chat programs . how many connection will be opened just to open yahoo messenger as example ? .
what about my questions regarding the mini pci card and the omni antenna .
waiting your feedback .
with best regards .
Dear ahmedsaffar76,
Salam, they are talking about fixed line like dedicated bandwidth so there should not be any option like how many pc they are running with their given bandwidth or not. if the link is shared then you can put some rules like, have to use only one pc with that connection nothing more.
Peace
Hi ;
Thanks for your reply .
what do you mean by " put some rules like , have to use only one pc with that connection nothing more " , you mean in the contract with the client or the rule in MT ?
if the rule is in MT , could you give us these rules ? , and if it in the contract how could i know he still using only one pc ?
reminder , i put two questions regarding the mini pci card and the omni antenna , how many online connection could carry ? unlimited or what .
can i say they could supply internet to 100 user online ? less or more .
i believe each one have his own experience with it , so here could exchange the knowledge and experiments for the wireless .
with best regards .