whats the timetable for wimax on routerboard?
what’s wimax 
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seriously though, is there really any future in it ? all I see is press releases and marketing speech, no real consumer products. they say, 4G and LTE is the way to go
ah interesting, when there are performing mini pci cards, then you will support it?
according ‘press releases’ its being deployed in almost every country
we make affordable yet powerful products. right now, wimax is neither.
It would be interesting to use this 3,5/3,6Ghz frequencies for 11n.
No huge bandwith but good separation from 2,4 and 5GHz.
It’s completely unused in our area.
Here you have cards from 450 MHz to 6 GHz.
http://www.xagyl.com/store/home.php?cat=251
3.650-3.675 GHz
http://www.xagyl.com/store/product.php?productid=16416&cat=251&page=1
It’s probably only 54 Mbps.
Normis I love you guys. The product is rock solid and you are quick to respond to bugs.
Here is America we Mikrotik users are getting hammered by Motorola Canopy gear. We need something to contend with their product. Contention-based protocol is the future and I do not want to give up our customer base to the cellular carriers. We need proper support for the 3.65 GHz card to fit our Wimax licenses. I have had a license for almost 6 months waiting to see if you guys will develop something. I am about to jump to Canopy, and believe me I do not want to. Our entire network, routers, customers, etc are routerboard based. I and your users want to stay with you. Make the Wimax 802.16 part of a level 7 license or something. I will pay extra and so with others. Because once I drop $20,000 to outfit a tower with Canopy 3.65 gear, I will not look back.
Please consider it so we can remain friends.
Different parts of the planet are suitable for different technologies, mainly due to terrain.
You could drop $20,000 on one AP site where I am (southern Spain) and get the coverage of 1 MT AP.
I dropped about $10,000 on lots of APs in this area and made really good coverage using Mikrotiks.
My point is that WiMAX doesn’t really exist as a thing you can buy on the cheap.
You can buy Canopy, Tsunami etc. at a very high price.
WiMAX isn’t where Mikrotik is placed in the market.
Basically there’s no point trying to push them into a place where they can’t exist, because you would not pay even $5k on a Mikrotik RB-WiMAX board and one radio card, or the extra $2.5k for the RB-WiMi second radio, or $1.5k for the RB-WiGPS GPS time synch module.
Ubiquiti are trying it with their AirMax nonsense, and not getting very far.
very intresting…
if there are no other reasons why this stuff is so expensive then we should see it coming into mikrotik range in a year or so..i read somewhere that there is a reference design for a wimax card for under 100$
i am wondering if we just gonna need drivers and OS support for wimax or would a RB433WM52Hn board be necessary?
looking back i remember mini pci 11b cards being the 400$ range at one point
WiMAX isn’t where Mikrotik is placed in the market.
but only because it is so expensive. ill say its a good time to play with wimax and push it out as soon as it is a affordable yet powerful product.
You definitely have a point there.
I really doubt that we will se a Mikrotik Wimax Base Station.
In my country, we have at least one Wimax base station in every county. I’ve never heard any news about Wimax since the deployment of 4G.
I think Wimax is already obsolete, 4G offers 100 Mbit/s to mobile users, and 1 Gbit/s to stationary users. 
Pictures of Wimax base Stations.
Where can I sign up? I wasn’t aware any operators were offering those types of speeds over LTE. 
I saw in the news that Elisa and Nokia Siemens Networks started a 4G LTE network with speed up to 100 Mbps in Finland.
http://lteworld.org/news/elisa’s-lte-network-enables-speed-100-mbps-finland
In US you can get speed between 40 Mbps and 50 Mbps with Verizon Wireless.
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/verizon-touts-lte-test-speeds/2010-03-08
The Swedish company Ericsson set a new mobile data transfer record at the Mobile World Congress in Barcelona with a demonstration of its 1Gbps LTE/4G technology.
http://www.dvhardware.net/article41081.html
The current WiMAX revision provides up to 40 Mbit/s, with the IEEE 802.16m update expected offer up to 1 Gbit/s fixed speeds.
Gigabit ethernet is great, unless everybody has it, then you got to have multi-Terrabit backhaul/distribution.
I don’t think we got that yet …
“For pre-commercial use.” Not available today. 100mbps to mobile users…is that aggregate from the BTS, or speeds to a single user? If its speeds to a single user I find it very interesting because…
In US you can get speed between 40 Mbps and 50 Mbps with Verizon Wireless.
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/verizon-touts-lte-test-speeds/2010-03-08
Those aren’t real-world speeds…
“However, Verizon’s average LTE network speeds for real-world use did not change from numbers it provided late last year. The company maintains that the network will be able to produce average downlink speeds of 5-12 Mbps and average upload speeds of 2-5 Mbps.”
The service isn’t even available. The article clearly states these tests are being done before commercial deployment later this year.
The Swedish company Ericsson set a new mobile data transfer record at the Mobile World Congress in Barcelona with a demonstration of its 1Gbps LTE/4G technology.
And they had to use a total of 80mhz of spectrum to achieve those speeds.
“The demonstration uses four carriers of 20MHz each, totally 80MHz and 4x4 MIMO, data is sent over the air-interface on four independent bit-streams.”
According to the following link 80mhz is 88% percent of both AT&T and Verizon’s total available spectrum in the US, and its about 48% more spectrum than T-Mobile or Sprint even own.
http://www.sidecutreports.com/2010/03/22/report-excerpt-why-spectrum-depth-matters-the-most/
You’re never going to see those speeds to a single fixed consumer site. It doesn’t make business sense to wipe out that much spectrum for a single user, and the operators realistically don’t have enough available spectrum to provide that service.
The current WiMAX revision provides up to 40 Mbit/s, with the IEEE 802.16m update expected offer up to 1 Gbit/s fixed speeds.
I think its important to note that these are likely aggregate speeds. I know that’s the case with 802.16d as I run such a network, and can verify those aggregation speeds.
I’m not particularly for or against WiMAX or LTE. I think its important to accurately state the performance of each network, and quit trying to downplay WiMAX by making erroneous statements such as LTE will be able to deliver 100mbps speeds to mobile users. Both technologies are evolving at a rapid pace and WiMAX still has a place in this world.
That said, WiMAX equipment manufacturers and providers have already caught on that LTE will likely be the dominant 4G technology due to the backing by the larger cell carries, and as such are already positioning their products to allow or an easy upgrade to TD-LTE.
Do the maths.
Assume just 100 USA Users all with 1Gb/s Download (upload 128kbit 
100Gb/s between USA and, say, Indonesia ?
Multiply that by 10 million. 10Pb/s link required, as a part of a network - not a dedicated link.
Come on. Dunt work Today, or even tomorrow.
Better that they download less intensive porn really, 'cos current techology cannot support it.
In europe we have those speeds by the way. 100-500Mbit per home user. It’s not wireless, but if the infrastructure allows it, what’s the problem to convert the endpoints to wireless then?
Not available today, do you know for a fact or are you just speculating? I can tell you that my operator lauched LTE in december 2009, and it is already available in 25 cities where i live.
Tell me where you get real world speeds. First, and most importantly, real-world speeds are notoriously difficult to pin down, and vary wildly based on factors including distance from cell site, general load on the network, backhaul and a host of other factors. Further, it’s worth pointing out that the speed numbers for each carrier in the US have plenty of caveats. However, Verizon Wireless CTO Tony Melone said the carrier is “going to be aggressive in our plan to get to critical mass” in LTE, so the service will be available soon in the US.
There is no need to give those speeds to end consumers, most of them probably have reliable wired lines with speed up to 1 Gbit/s or more.
Who are downplaying WiMAX, or give erroneus statements? WiMAX and LTE are two systems developing along the same lines but optimized to work somewhat differently. WiMAX is primarily aimed at Greenfield (new) fixed to mobile deployments while LTE is mostly aimed at incumbent (existing) deployments that must work with existing networks and business practices”.
The next versions of both, 802.16m WiMAXm and LTE-Advanced, are being designed to meet the same guidelines for IMT-Advanced which calls for an adaptive framework that can be used from local area fixed networks to large scale mobile networks and to use multiple carriers across multiple bands of spectrum. No sense getting into the details but it is important to view both WiMAX and LTE headed to become the ‘Swiss Army knives’ of wireless. Should they merge? They are already on the path of converging at many levels and will eventually be practically merged.
The article you referenced clearly stated the service was not available in that area. My comment was made in response to that. I’m glad LTE is available somewhere in the world…
You stated that it were possible in the US to get LTE service in the 40-50mbps speed range; I quoted you saying that earlier. The article very clearly states otherwise. You cannot expect me to believe that a single mobile user with a laptop card can achieve 40-50mbps wirelessly with today’s technology…
This statement has nothing to do with what they’re going to able to really deliver.
Then why would you previously state it were possible to offer 1gbps service to stationary users when you knew: 1. its not technically feasible with current spectrum limitations, and 2. people have ethernet or fiber which sufficiently deliver those speeds?
You said “I think Wimax is already obsolete.” Is that not erroneous enough for you?
Comparing your last two posts and this most recent, I feel like I’m talking to a different person. The last section of this most recent post is a bit more level-headed and honest with the state of WiMAX and how it is technically progressing. Refreshing.
I have had LTE with up to 40 Mbp/s throughput since the end of last year. Not everywhere, but generally faster than Turbo 3G (HSDPA). In the same article, they wrote that Verison plans launch to 25-30 Mbp/s LTE this year.
I didn’t say that one single user user will get speed of 1Gbp/s, but technically it is possible. However, if I post a link to an article, it’s not my statement, but the author’s statement.
Prove to me that this statement is not erroneous. Give me a list of operators with WiMAX. I don’t think there is many of them, not even in the US. WiMAX hasn’t even been deployed properly and Clearwire could ditch it for LTE standard. According to a Clearwire executive, a change in the terms of an agreement Clearwire has with Intel will allow “either party to exit the agreement - which had until now forced Clearwire to use WiMAX through Nov. 28, 2011 - with just 30 days notice”.
I think I read somewhere that Clearwire will run WiMAX until LTE is rolled out, after that they will decide the future of WiMAX.
In Europe, WiMAX players have found themselves in retreat, a state of play which is likely to deepen in coming months. In the UK, Freedom4 recently sold its WiMAX licences to a rival ISP, having suffered losses of £800,000 annually. Fundamentally, the company could not attract enough customers per base station to make ends meet.
In the Netherlands, Worldmax’s Aerea service in Amsterdam is to close in August. The company cited its inability to expand its service due to interference in the 3.5GHz band with a ministry of defence ground station, but there are a number of more pressing factors, including the company’s failure to secure a 2.6GHz licence, the lack of WiMAX devices, the economic downturn which has obliged consumers to tone down their spending, the network’s lack of roaming and poor indoor coverage.
Across the board, WiMAX operators must come to terms with the availability of competing mobile services (HSPA+ and LTE). This will be especially true during 2011 when a number of commercial services are expected to be launched. With every passing month that LTE shows itself as a tried and tested technology, investors will be tempted to swim with that stream as surely as will consumers.
Map of mobile WiMAX service around the world