I would something to kill Canopys…
Are you having a bad day?
What happend?
canopy is a inteference beast, its work on very noise envirourment and make anything closer to them to die..
but they are excelente radios! on noise.
How close?
On all channels?
Doesn’t matter. That is the wonderful part about it. Canopy eats 802.11 signals and spits them back out. They will take you down!
Does the canopy get affected by our stuff or work fine in noisy enviroment?
Thast a worry…
There is a way that appears to eliminate the problem. If you are running Nstream with CSMA disable it can coexist much better.
Remember 802.11 products were designed as an indoor solution. Canopy was designed from the ground up to be an outdoor system and subsequently deals with noisy enviroments much better.
There are a few things to remember:
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Most Canopy runs Vertically. That is how it is designed. Unless the ISP is using after-market alterations such as Cyclone 5ghz and 2.4ghz is vertical. Always use HPOL antennas when trying to coexist.
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Run Nstream with CSMA disabled whenever possible.
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If running on the same tower get as much spacing as possible.
I have my 2.4ghz AP .5 miles away from alll canopy WISP 900mhz 5.8 2.4ghz everything you could think of backhauls and all… No problems so far… So its not eating me.. -Jordan
Hard time believing that. You’re sure they are operating on 2.4 as are you?
I feel you!
Another ISP recently decided to throw up a bunch of 2.4ghz Canopy gear, onto a site that we’ve been running 2.4ghz Tranzeo for a few years now. We started noticing latency issues, and lots of random dropped packets. We’ve been trying to work with him and co-exist peacefully, but he refuses to play nice, and at this point I think he’s just trying to destroy our customer base so he can steal them.
I’ve been begging Mikrotik staff to make the CSMA disable feature available outside of nstream. Technically, any newer Atheros chipset, like the ones used on Ubiquity SR2/XR2 cards support this feature at the HAL. There’s no reason that nstream needs to be used in order for one to get use out of this feature. For this site, we’ll probably be moving to OSWAVE due to the fact you can supposedly disable CSMA without having to use any proprietary features.
Even though the clients won’t support nstream, the AP’s I think will see a performance improvement, and overall things will operate better; and he’ll have much more pain if he decides to move onto the channels we’re using.
Are they on the same tower/building as you? Whenever possible, when we rent space, we make sure our agreement says that when we add equipment, we promise not to interfere with any existing equipment and when any new companies rent space or even if any existing companies put new equipment on the tower, that they promise not to interfere with what was already on there.
We usually do the same, that is make sure we’re in good with the tower owner so more equipment won’t be put up that might interfere… unfortunately, there are many towers on this site, so they just threw their stuff up on a near by tower (100m away). We tried to talk to the tower owner, but they really didn’t care as it was an unlicensed band. They actually suggested that we move to Canopy.
Good suggestion ![]()
With respect to Mikrotik.
I find that nstreame is not good in high rf area’s, many disconnects.
So having disable CMSA and nstreame is not really helping in my area.
How I work.
Low noise area 2.4G mode with nstreame
more noise 2g 10mhz no nstreme
really noise area 2.4B no nstream
I also wish for disable CMSA with no nstreame (also bursting and fast frames with no nstream)
It seems to be that polling that makes my nstreame fast (and unstable) even on ptp links
in rf quiet are nstreame is awsome, it can double speed.
Yes im sure i talked to one of the Installers for there wisp, they run on all frequencys. You can also see the omni’s he has on the tower. I also can pick up there 2.4ghz SSID of 2.4ghz. It is funny that i am not affected as the rest are… Im using an Rb133 with an Sr2 with a 15 dbi comet antenna… I mite be a bit higher than them though. But they are STRICKTLY Canopy, They lease there equipment… Noise floor on 2.4ghz is 98-103… Most of my clients signals are in the 69-78’s with 2 being in the 80-85 (2 miles away not clear freznel zone and not high enough power equipment).
However one question that i do have is what are the problems you encounter with Canopy equipment? What should i Look for as far as problems.. interference etc etc… That way i know what to look for if it does become a problem for me. -Jordan
Sell your home to get there equipment too…
Canopy isn’t all that expensive for modest quantities of subscriber equipment. I’d suggest avoiding 2.4 p2mp altogether.
We don’t use it because it’s getting outdated in the 900mhz range and it can’t hold a candle to Alvarion in the 5ghz range. I’m more concerned about spectrum efficiency, speed, sensitivity, and reliability than cost. Cost is still important though.
Different brands of equipment at the same site on the same frequencies will interfere with each other. The same brands will too if not setup in a cooperative manner. Tell the other 2.4 operator you will get some canopy too, and you need to configure it in a manner that’s compatible with theirs. If they don’t cooperate, remind them it’s a fast path of mutually assured destruction as far as usefulness of 2.4
Wonder if using a directional antenna and pointing it right toard there AP with a High power canopy unit set to the same settings as there would do anything… ![]()
JP,
I’m assuming you’re talking about the 5ghz VL’s? I thought Canopy Advantage was comparable?
The bad thing with mixing 802.11 and Canopy is you don’t see the effect in noise floor or signal but in throughput and latency from my experience.
I installed some old BAII FHSS gear at my house to distribute through my community. I set it to hop across the entire spectrum. The next day my neighbors were all complaining because their wireless routers kept locking up.
we here have a canopy only network, with a lot of advantage sm in 5.7 and 5.4ghz and a month ago we tried to deploy the alvarion VL Gear and it was a total mess, the alvarion gear cold live up with the interference as canopy does, and worked a worse than a standard 802.11a gear, with interference it dont work, we tried all kind of channels, and advanced configurations , even alvarion certified ppl could not manage to get it work in our city, so we had to stay with the canopy.