Missing wAP ax successor to wAP ac, what are outdoor AX WiFi alternatives?

I am in search of outdoor AX WiFi, and plan to replace AC devices in my network, because of the limitation of the new WiFi driver:


802.11ac chipsets do not support this type of VLAN tagging , but they can be configured as VLAN access ports in bridge settings.

So far, I’ve found following options:


  • NetBox 5 ax has only 5GHz wireless,
  • NetMetal ax has both 2.4GHz and 5GHz wireless, but expensive,
  • hAP ax³ combined with RP-SMA extension cable(s), I can mount the AP indoors, drill holes through a wall, and expose antennas outdoors.

NetBox 5 ax seems to have the least price and effort costs to setup. But, I’m not sure I want to go with missing 2.4GHz wireless. Though, I’m planning to use it mostly for modern client devices, so probably non-issue?

However, the indoors device mounting + extension cables + antennas outside, seems like an interesting/tempting alternative. Does anybody have an experience with such setups? Does it work reliably? Will it be fine also for 5m extension cables? I strictly need only less than 1m to go through 30cm to 45cm thick outdoor walls, but thinking of some better antenna positioning.

I know it’s not relevant right now but wAP AX versions should be coming.
But over half a year it was already said “soon” …

It greatly depends on cable.

Ordinary cables may loose 1-4db/m :open_mouth:

A good, very low attenuation, antenna extension cable could be in the order of magnitude of 0.3/0.4/0.5 db/m (at 2.4 GHz, expect 50% more on 5 GHz).
These - generally speaking - are more stiff, and have issues if bent too “tight”.

Don’t even think of crimping/assembling yourself the cables, buy pre-terminated ones.

This means that the holes in the wall need to be slightly bigger than the connector, so no less than 14 mm, better 16.

Three rules:

  1. the hole MUST be made from the outside slightly raising or from the inside slightly descending ← to avoid possible rain/water leakages
  2. the cable MUST form a small downward bend on the outside ← to allow water dripping down the cable to drop down away from the wall surface
  3. once the cable is installed the hole MUST be sealed/caulked both on the inside and outside ← to avoid insects using it as their home.
    (don’t ask how I learned the three rules above :wink: )

Still much better, than a thick wall. But, I would go with assembled cables.


This means that the holes in the wall need to be slightly bigger than the connector, so no less than 14 mm, better 16.

The drilling part is non-issue in my case, so assembled cables are fine.

Can I ground the screws of those cables? Or mount both on the same steel? Or, would this cause some interfere / weaken signal?


(don’t ask how I learned the three rules above > :wink: > )

:smiley: :smiley: :smiley: … probably still better outcome, than discovering the location electrical circuit in walls, by drilling.

And, thanks for the tips.

You should install a “lightning arrestor” and ground that one(s) (besides the pole - if any).
Example only:
https://www.l-com.com/rf-surge-protector-type-sma-f-m-dc-6ghz

And yes, ground is ground, so you can (actually should) mount on the same steel.

The price of hap ax³ plus two assembled RP-SMA cables (only 5m long) costs the same as Netmetal 5 ax plus HGO-antenma-OUT.

Ruling out this creative DIY idea as an option. No savings, only extra complications.

Maybe if I needed also a switch at the (indoor side of the) wall, then it would be an interesting alternative.


Though, probably the best would be to wait.

Maybe combine with NetBox 5 ax, as with the clear line of sight, the 5GHz should be enough, and better wall penetration of 5GHz isn’t needed.

Gave up on waiting a long time ago…
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What is the big box?

That would be the OUTDOOR WiFi6 Access Point that matches up with the Indoor units I have used since 2021.

wAP ax will be a very small device and is coming very very soon (question of days or weeks)

:smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

So it won’t be the typical wireless AP outdoor case you use?

Where is it going to price out?
What sort of range and client count can we expect?

The OutDoor WAP I used in that other thread where I used Mikrotik for the 60GHZ links… I have been able to carry on wifi calls 800 feet away.

The one pictured above I have tested at around 300 ft away.

with an M.2 (or miniPCIe) slot (aka the ax version of wAPacR)?

Finally… So I can put it on a shelf and stop hearing about and I quote my wife:" that ugly, big UFO thing behind TV that you think you hid well"

Did you also consider a WAF ?

HAP AX2 wouldn’t do?

It’s a shame to use ax2 for that… I have one as a CAP right now but I have other plans for it.

Just in case anyone is looking for a quick way to get divorced :open_mouth: :
https://it.aliexpress.com/item/1005007207725543.html
:wink:

If if has passive-PoE I am going to scream all over the Internet for the rest of my life :wink:

scream of :joy_cat:

I am thinking NetBox 5 ax and NetMetal ax might be a better choice anyways, if wAP ax would follow specs of wAP ac:


  • NetBox 5 ax and NetMetal ax have 23dBm transmit power at MCS9, and HGO-antenna-OUT have 5.5-7.1 dBi gain for the 5 GHz band,
  • wAP ac has 17dBm transmit power at MCS9, and 2.5 dBi gain for the 5 GHz band.

Also, bigger antenna gain should help in listening/receiving from clients speaking back to the AP.

EIRP of 23+7dBi is 1000mW, which is EU’s outdoor limit. So, NetBox 5 ax and NetMetal ax should perform to the biggest possible potential according to the outdoors regulations.

But,… these two declare 2400Mbit 5 GHz data rate, which, I assume, means two 160 MHz chains (1200Mbit each). How is this even useful in EU? There’s only one outdoor channel, that can do 160MHz in EU, and this suffers to 10 min-TDWR. Also, using this channel would not leave any more space for any 80MHz outdoor channel (or two 40Mhz), because channel 144 is not allowed in ETSI - EU. So, is it an overkill, that can’t be fully utilized anyways?

Or, if I mounted it behind a window. Will it count as indoors device, and I can use lower range of 5GHz frequences? Though, these have the limit of 200mW EIRP. And, I would quickly consume lots of 5GHz space, and cause interference with other AP(s) - area overlap (on non-overlapping channels) is needed for smooth roaming of clients.

Maybe, I would just want wAP with external stick antennas.