Need Lightning Arrestor Advice for a project in rural Hondur

Hello all,

I am part of a group installing a wireless network in rural Honduras for a growing educational system with a chapter of Engineers Without Borders (http://ewb-usa.org). We are creating a 7 node wireless network spanning a 3 mile radius. Since Honduras is very prone to rain storms and lightning strikes, we need to protect our equipment from the lightning. We plan on doing the following:

  1. Place an arrestor between the radio and the antenna
  2. Place an arrestor in the POE injector

Some of the following criteria we are thinking:

Amount of lightning strikes: One or Many
Insertion Loss: Small as possbile
Frequency : 2.4-5.8 GHZ

When searching the internet, I see many many types of lightning arrestors given my criteria. Does anyone have any recommendations through their experience with lightning arrestors? What do you use?

Thanks!
James

Not sure about arrestors, but don’t forget about good quality grounding, that’s attached to the board, and goes right to ground (careful with broken grounding in some buildings, or “decorative” grounding installations).

some tips:
http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Grounding

Good day…

Hi, if you interest on the POE Surge protector, I may able to help you.
we have apply the POE surge protector in our network and for the pass 2 years, all of them is working fine compare the time we not use and cause a lot of hardware failure.

We deploy Polyphaser AL-LSXL’s (2-6ghz) on the antenna side and Citel MJ8’s on the poe side, top and bottom.

And to reiterate Normis… proper grounding is critical.

Thanks for the advice guys!

We intend to provide secure grounding as well as POE surge protection.

I looked into to the Polyphaser AL-LSXL, there does not seem to be a ground wire at all (at least in the spec sheet). Is this a different type of technology.

As for the POE surge arrestor is this recommended to be as close to the radio as possible, or can it be at the bottom of the antenna for quick replacement?

What is the distance from you antenna and your radios? We use PolyPhaser AL-LSXM (Slim) EMP Surge Protector and it has a ground lug on the unit. You want to keep the run from the antenna to the radios as short as possible. We mount are equipment at the top of the towers using two two foot lmr400 cables with the PolyPhaser in the middle. We are in Florida and we are known at lightning capital of the world. We meg every install and check it every 6 months to make sure it is still in the proper range. Also make sure you tape each connection using a tape that withstands the sun. Next to lightning water is our second nightmare.

Good luck.

Speaking from commercial radio experience.

1:All data lines encased in conduit
2: Conduit earthed at point of entry to cabin.
3: Conduit routed through centre of tower legs, not attached to any one leg. Ie perpendicular.
4: Antenna cables routed down centre of tower (if equipment is at bottom or in cabin.)
5: Bond antenna sheath to common copper entry plate.
6: Use lightening arrestor.
7: Gas disharge tubes and or semiconductor devices on ethernet wires.
8: Use guys with good conducting unions and make sure that at least one set of guys is above the parabolic antennas. (if that can be achieved)
9: Tower base must be concrete with a conductive additive, (else concrete base could crack or explode)
10: Base of Tower must have adaquate earth ring in subsoil.
11: Guy points must have earth wires taken back to base earth ring.
12: If cabin is used, make sure that at least one guy slopes across the roof of cabin.
13: Do not use a pointed (transmission) omni at the top of tower. Use sectors below top of tower.
14: Lightning arrestor (ball or fan) at top.
15: Run 35mm csa copper conductor from ground ring to top of tower and connect to arrestor.
16: Above all. Make sure that there is only 1 common ground point. Else you will end up with voltage gradients in a strike.

If hair stands on end whilst on site, kneel down, and kiss arse goodbye.

The AL comes with a ring terminal for customer connection. The older LSXL was nice and fat, and designed for bulkhead installation. If you go to the GT series, we use the flange and screw the ground lead to the flange.

If you have an -ME, then you can thread it onto your equipment and use teh equipment chassis ground if you observe good grounding practices. This also eliminates a jumper and an additional connection to weatherproof.

I guess when looking at the spec sheets (http://www.polyphaser.com/cms_spol_app/datasheets/GT-NFM-AL.pdf) that ring terminal isn’t at all visible.

So I think I might be going with Polyphaser.

For antenna connections I’m looking at

AL-LSXM-ME (http://www.polyphaser.com/productdetail.aspx?item=AL-LSXM-ME)
or
GT-NFM-AL (http://www.polyphaser.com/productdetail.aspx?item=GT-NFM-AL)

and for the ethernet, I’m looking at:

NX2-05 (http://www.polyphaser.com/productdetail.aspx?item=NX2-05)

Some follow up questions just to make sure I’m headed in the right direction:

  1. What is the difference between the AL-LSXM-ME and GT-NFM-AL ? For some reason I’m thinking that gas tubes can not handle multistrikes… would these be considered lightning arresters?
  2. How can I find out how much voltage strikes these guys can handle? and if they are multi strike or not?
  3. For grounding would I just have one main grounding wire going down the center of the tower or down a guy line?

I definitely appreciate the guidance and tips with lightning protection!

re: earthing.

When there is a strike, the current will flow through ALL that is metallic in the tower in an iinstant.

The ammount of current in each part of the structure will be determined the the impedance of that particular path. The lowest impedance paths will carry the highest currents.

Therefore my advice to to run an earth of large csa as directly as you can up the centre of the tower.

It is inevitable that some currents will flow through the tower legs themselves, lets face it in terms of impedance galvanised steel is going to be a worse conductor than 35mm squared copper. But at the end of the day the currents involved in a direct hit excede the current carrying capacity of 35mm squared copper anyway.

So we have to accept that some proportion of currents will flow through the structure.

If you can accept that then you have to make sure that the currents flowing through the tower structure which will in turn heat up joints of high impedance in a flash.. You need to assure yourself that the joints of the structure dont rupture in the heat.

Soldered joints are likely to melt, a concrete base without the conductive additives will heat up so fast that the concrete base could explode or crack.

The guys if used for dissipation are intended in the main to distribute the harmful currents above the cabin or control room below.. Better that the currents travel above out of harms way, than develop high voltage gradients across the floor of the cabin.

The lightning strike will when it touches ground dissipate through the earth at the speed of light.. Thus because of the natural impedance of the ground there will be a voltage gradient at various points in the ground as the current dissipates. Hundreds of volts may develop between points spaced just meters appart in the ground moving outwards from the base of the tower.

Dissipating currents by the use of guys may help to reduce the voltage gradient in the ground. But good enginneering must be observed in the use of guys, since harmful currents of a few thousand amps will heat up bad joints to the point that the guy wire itself could break.. If you then loose a couple of guys and its a windy night, you ,may loose the tower altogether.

If you choose to use the guys as an aid to distributing the currents, you must take the earths to each guy ring and run them directly back to the base. The frictional joint of a guy ring wont cope with the current and so it needs a tap across it of flexible braid (high csa) to a rod or earth ring around the guy base.

If you need more help with this subject I will be able to steer you in the direction of proper engineering guidlines for commercial towers.

suggest me a best poe surge protecter, on mikrotik wiki ,surge protector is not recommendable, may i know why??

http://www.dbii.com/safesurgepro.html

You may having a packet loss during heavy thunder storm and heavy rain time.
And, wish the mikrotik can add in the Ethernet surget protection as what they did for the new RB7xx series.

Dear Mikrotik..
can be RB4xx series having the Ethernet protection as well?

thanks.

Also, make sure you have ground kits on your coax cables/jumpers coming from antenna.

if i used i poe surge protector, seperated esd grounding for mikrotik board and mini pci card i s neccessary or not??

so which is recommend , both or any one..?