Netbox 5 25.5 mile 5Gz Link

Hi,

We installed a Netbox 5 link that is 25.5 Miles and we are not getting anywhere close to the signal level’s we have gotten with other older equipment, or what any of the wireless link calculator’s estimate (Mikrotik link calc gives a -45, UBNT with RocketM5’s in place of RB911G’s says -57). We can’t seem to get anything better than -78.

I’m starting to wonder if there is maybe something with the unit. I’ve already sent support output files to Mikrotik support but was wondering if anyone sees something possibly wrong with the config.

I’ve tried several versions of RouterOS (6.18 – 6.23) and none seem to make a difference. Also noticing since going to 6.18 or above the Current Tx Power tab on the wireless interface either shows 0dBm on 6.18 or no data at all on 6.23 but Mikrotik says that info is not applicable to AC). Also since going to 6.22 or 6.23 WDS seems to no longer function the same. I can see it dynamically use the bridge to create the wds interface, but the remote router where the Ethernet cable plugs into no longer pings or passes traffic. I guess to get around that I’ll take the route of going station-bridge. First things first though, we have been unable to achieve anything better than a -78.

I’ve tried using almost every channel from 5180-5765, and 20Mhz channels, AC/N Only, Nstreme,NV2,802.11 only, etc (possibly everything there was to try, although I don’t rule out that I might not have thought of something) Nothing seem to have any effect on the signal strength, and since we were replacing a 5Ghz link, the frequency we’ve ruled out as being the issue. We have used both Canopy 100 BH20’s, and UBNT Rocket M5’s for this link in the past with signal’s in the high 50’s/low 60’s. Plus any spectrum analysis at either location comes up clean.

These are both using UBNT rocket dishes (RD-5G34 34dbi on the AP side, and RD-5G30 30dbi on the Station side) and they are in known working condition.

The below is just an /interface wireless export verbose minus the security profiles for each end of the link.

Here’s the AP Side:

/interface wireless
set [ find default-name=wlan1 ] adaptive-noise-immunity=none allow-sharedkey=no ampdu-priorities=0,1,2 amsdu-limit=8192 amsdu-threshold=8192 \
    antenna-gain=0 area="" arp=enabled band=5ghz-onlyac basic-rates-a/g=6Mbps bridge-mode=enabled channel-width=20mhz compression=no country=\
    argentina default-ap-tx-limit=0 default-authentication=yes default-client-tx-limit=0 default-forwarding=yes dfs-mode=none \
    disable-running-check=no disabled=no disconnect-timeout=3s distance=dynamic frame-lifetime=0 frequency=5180 frequency-mode=manual-txpower \
    frequency-offset=0 guard-interval=any hide-ssid=no ht-basic-mcs=mcs-0,mcs-1,mcs-2,mcs-3,mcs-4,mcs-5,mcs-6,mcs-7 ht-supported-mcs="mcs-0,mcs\
    -1,mcs-2,mcs-3,mcs-4,mcs-5,mcs-6,mcs-7,mcs-8,mcs-9,mcs-10,mcs-11,mcs-12,mcs-13,mcs-14,mcs-15,mcs-16,mcs-17,mcs-18,mcs-19,mcs-20,mcs-21,mcs-\
    22,mcs-23" hw-fragmentation-threshold=disabled hw-protection-mode=none hw-protection-threshold=0 hw-retries=7 interworking-profile=\
    disabled l2mtu=1600 mac-address=4C:5E:0C:CB:0E:F6 max-station-count=2007 mode=bridge mtu=1500 multicast-buffering=enabled \
    multicast-helper=default name=wlan1 nv2-cell-radius=30 nv2-preshared-key="" nv2-qos=default nv2-queue-count=2 nv2-security=disabled \
    on-fail-retry-time=100ms preamble-mode=both proprietary-extensions=post-2.9.25 radio-name=McArthur-LB1 rate-selection=advanced rate-set=\
    default rx-chains=0,1 scan-list=default security-profile=default ssid=wscf-mcarthur station-bridge-clone-mac=00:00:00:00:00:00 \
    supported-rates-a/g=6Mbps,9Mbps,12Mbps,18Mbps,24Mbps,36Mbps,48Mbps,54Mbps tdma-period-size=4 tx-chains=0,1 tx-power-mode=default \
    update-stats-interval=disabled vht-basic-mcs=mcs0-7 vht-supported-mcs=mcs0-9,mcs0-9,mcs0-9 vlan-id=1 vlan-mode=no-tag wds-cost-range=\
    50-150 wds-default-bridge=bridge1 wds-default-cost=100 wds-ignore-ssid=no wds-mode=dynamic wireless-protocol=nv2 wmm-support=disabled
/interface wireless manual-tx-power-table
set wlan1 manual-tx-powers="1Mbps:17,2Mbps:17,5.5Mbps:17,11Mbps:17,6Mbps:17,9Mbps:17,12Mbps:17,18Mbps:17,24Mbps:17,36Mbps:17,48Mbps:17,54Mbps:1\
    7,HT20-0:17,HT20-1:17,HT20-2:17,HT20-3:17,HT20-4:17,HT20-5:17,HT20-6:17,HT20-7:17,HT40-0:17,HT40-1:17,HT40-2:17,HT40-3:17,HT40-4:17,HT40-5:\
    17,HT40-6:17,HT40-7:17"
/interface wireless nstreme
set wlan1 disable-csma=no enable-nstreme=yes enable-polling=yes framer-limit=3200 framer-policy=none
/interface wireless align
set active-mode=yes audio-max=-20 audio-min=-100 audio-monitor=00:00:00:00:00:00 filter-mac=00:00:00:00:00:00 frame-size=300 \
    frames-per-second=25 receive-all=no ssid-all=no
/interface wireless cap
set bridge=none caps-man-addresses="" caps-man-certificate-common-names="" caps-man-names="" certificate=none discovery-interfaces="" enabled=\
    no interfaces="" lock-to-caps-man=no
/interface wireless sniffer
set channel-time=200ms file-limit=10 file-name="" memory-limit=10 multiple-channels=no only-headers=no receive-errors=no streaming-enabled=no \
    streaming-max-rate=0 streaming-server=0.0.0.0
/interface wireless snooper
set channel-time=200ms multiple-channels=yes receive-errors=no

Here is the station side:

/interface wireless
set [ find default-name=wlan1 ] adaptive-noise-immunity=none allow-sharedkey=no ampdu-priorities=0,1,2 \
    amsdu-limit=8192 amsdu-threshold=8192 antenna-gain=0 area="" arp=enabled band=5ghz-onlyac basic-rates-a/g=\
    6Mbps bridge-mode=enabled channel-width=20mhz compression=no country=no_country_set default-ap-tx-limit=0 \
    default-authentication=yes default-client-tx-limit=0 default-forwarding=yes dfs-mode=none \
    disable-running-check=no disabled=no disconnect-timeout=3s distance=dynamic frame-lifetime=0 frequency=5180 \
    frequency-mode=manual-txpower frequency-offset=0 guard-interval=any hide-ssid=no ht-basic-mcs=\
    mcs-0,mcs-1,mcs-2,mcs-3,mcs-4,mcs-5,mcs-6,mcs-7 ht-supported-mcs="mcs-0,mcs-1,mcs-2,mcs-3,mcs-4,mcs-5,mcs-6,m\
    cs-7,mcs-8,mcs-9,mcs-10,mcs-11,mcs-12,mcs-13,mcs-14,mcs-15,mcs-16,mcs-17,mcs-18,mcs-19,mcs-20,mcs-21,mcs-22,m\
    cs-23" hw-fragmentation-threshold=disabled hw-protection-mode=none hw-protection-threshold=0 hw-retries=7 \
    interworking-profile=disabled l2mtu=1600 mac-address=4C:5E:0C:CB:0E:F2 max-station-count=2007 mode=\
    station-bridge mtu=1500 multicast-buffering=enabled multicast-helper=default name=wlan1 nv2-cell-radius=30 \
    nv2-preshared-key="" nv2-qos=default nv2-queue-count=2 nv2-security=disabled on-fail-retry-time=100ms \
    preamble-mode=both proprietary-extensions=post-2.9.25 radio-name=McArthur-RB1 rate-selection=advanced \
    rate-set=default rx-chains=0,1 scan-list=default security-profile=default ssid=wscf-mcarthur \
    station-bridge-clone-mac=00:00:00:00:00:00 supported-rates-a/g=\
    6Mbps,9Mbps,12Mbps,18Mbps,24Mbps,36Mbps,48Mbps,54Mbps tdma-period-size=auto tx-chains=0,1 tx-power-mode=\
    default update-stats-interval=disabled vht-basic-mcs=mcs0-7 vht-supported-mcs=mcs0-9,mcs0-9,mcs0-9 vlan-id=1 \
    vlan-mode=no-tag wds-cost-range=50-150 wds-default-bridge=bridge1 wds-default-cost=100 wds-ignore-ssid=no \
    wds-mode=dynamic wireless-protocol=nv2-nstreme-802.11 wmm-support=disabled
/interface wireless manual-tx-power-table
set wlan1 manual-tx-powers="1Mbps:17,2Mbps:17,5.5Mbps:17,11Mbps:17,6Mbps:17,9Mbps:17,12Mbps:17,18Mbps:17,24Mbps:1\
    7,36Mbps:17,48Mbps:17,54Mbps:17,HT20-0:17,HT20-1:17,HT20-2:17,HT20-3:17,HT20-4:17,HT20-5:17,HT20-6:17,HT20-7:\
    17,HT40-0:17,HT40-1:17,HT40-2:17,HT40-3:17,HT40-4:17,HT40-5:17,HT40-6:17,HT40-7:17"
/interface wireless nstreme
set wlan1 disable-csma=no enable-nstreme=yes enable-polling=yes framer-limit=3200 framer-policy=none
/interface wireless align
set active-mode=yes audio-max=-20 audio-min=-100 audio-monitor=00:00:00:00:00:00 filter-mac=00:00:00:00:00:00 \
    frame-size=300 frames-per-second=25 receive-all=no ssid-all=no
/interface wireless cap
set bridge=none caps-man-addresses="" caps-man-certificate-common-names="" caps-man-names="" certificate=none \
    discovery-interfaces="" enabled=no interfaces="" lock-to-caps-man=no
/interface wireless sniffer
set channel-time=200ms file-limit=10 file-name="" memory-limit=10 multiple-channels=no only-headers=no \
    receive-errors=no streaming-enabled=no streaming-max-rate=0 streaming-server=0.0.0.0
/interface wireless snooper
set channel-time=200ms multiple-channels=yes receive-errors=no

Any suggestions or help would be greatly appreciated.

When I replace ubnt radio with mikrotik, the link is always with ~10dbi better with mikrotik no matter if is a dual chain radio or a Groove.

It must be something on your setup.

I am doing a side-by-side comparison of Mikrotik NM5 AC and Rocket M5. The Mikrotik has about 4-6db better signal than the UBNT. These are connected to 2 RD30s on each end of a 22km link, mounted 5ft apart. The 3rd RD30 is for Chain2 but from what I read I need more physical distance between it and Chain 0/1 to get the 3x3 benefits.

I’m not seeing the speed I should be getting but at least the signal is what it should be.(RocketM5 is 80mb/s with rates locked at 130/130. Mikrotik is 40mb/s. Wish I could lock the Mikrotik rates) I’m trying to find the magic combination but being new to Mikrotik, the learning curve is quite steep. It doesn’t help that half of the wireless features are not supported in 802.11ac but there is nothing to tell you this, you just get to guess whether the change you made did anything or not.
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