Hi guys,
i am new to the forum but have used mikrotik starting from 2004 onwards. i am curiuos to find out if mikrotik has done any development in terms of neural networks or if the equipment is compatible. if i hasnt been done wudnt it be good idea to start the discussion and possibly incorporate into the ROS. it will do alot to the mikrotik image and will help in introducing it to reserach and development institutes.
Best Regards
neural networks in firewalling? =)
Specifically to do with mikrotik it can be implemented for routing, firewalling, MPLS & VPLS multicasting ..etc. initial idea could be to develop through API’s but thats just an idea though. but u know what worries me is mikrotik is a great product better than Cisco anytime and given the chance it could be proven on any business table any time but it has taken three days for somebody to post a reply and even that from people like me and you who believe in Mikrotik and not from Mikrotik itself when they should have atleast shown concern because neural networks are going to be an integral part of Next Generation Networks.
thanks for replying though and i hope it kicks off a serious debate and to be honest all we need as Mikrotik community is more awareness and exposure.
Hope to hear from you soon chupaka even though i dont even know ur real name lol
Zeshan
huh… could you please give us a link with the list of improvements neural networks can bring to RouterOS?..
a good start will be www.wikipedia.org. i dont have much of an idea to what improvements it can bring to mikrotik but what i do know is neural networks are going to be an integral part of research and development in artificial intelligence, robotics ..etc. Genesis project is another good example. the whole reason of posting the question was to start the discussion and see what everybody thinks but see the articles and we can discuss further.
Best Regards
Zeshan
Are you not refering to ‘Neutral’ networks? In which case it has nothing to do with MT, but rather everything to do with policy in terms of access to networks being operated. Neutral networks or “carrier neutral networks” are essentially open, free for all networks where there is no, to minimal costs associated to obtain bw on such networks…
Never heard of a word like ‘Neural’ unless you’re a brain surgeon…
try wikipedia link. and this as well http://www.psych.utoronto.ca/users/reingold/courses/ai/nn.html in simple words its a simulation if human nervous system and guess what you dont have to be a brain surgeon to learn them
try this as well http://torch5.sourceforge.net/index.html
None of that has anything to do with routing packets, which is what Mikrotik routers do.
I have to back up fewi here.
Neural networks have nothing to do with what we, as network engineers, telecom operators, ISPs and all that associate with networks, and is quite outside the scope for MikroTik.
If you believe me wrong, please give us a list of networking protocols, preferably RFC’s, that relate to neural networking, and that you wish MikroTik to consider implementing. Linking to the front page of wikipedia is a bit arrogant, if you ask me.
does anybody have an account at http://www.sciencedirect.com? me - not 
but it would be interesting to read that: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V2M-423HKDK-6&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1082012975&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=0872701495ae4b091c2be6d1c05bd924
guys an honest mistake i do apologise for the wikipedia link. in my opinion neural network is a thinking machine. so think of Mikrotik as a router that thinks and reason to itself. i m not sure if it is within the scope of mikrotik or not but surely something that can be looked and evaluated so if it can add any value to mikrotik we implement it. theres an example under following link http://www.ra.cs.uni-tuebingen.de/SNNS/ thats quite easy to implement.
guys not just neural networks theres others on the table for an instance grid computing and grid networking where i think mikrotik can add so much value and thats just looking at it from purely commercial and marketing point of view.
sorry chupaka i dont have an account with the site but try torrent sites see if it helps. thanks for the concern though
seems like you don’t understand again… neural network is analogous network of electronic components, esp one in a computer designed to mimic the operation of the human brain. it have almost nothing to do with computer networks (e.g. Internet). under the link above, there’s a book that (according to the abstract) describes some optimisation of packet routing questions with help of neural networks. anyway, we already have such protocols, like RIP, OSPF, BGP - and they’re working fine, so again, it’s not the area where neural networks are undoubtedly needed
guys in my honest opinion its worth looking at especially some implications on shortest path finder protocol and structural change in the routing table.
but hands off if the majority verdict is that researching this particular area is not a concern at this point of time for everybody lets close the topic.
Neural networks are used for spam, ips and virus detection now so why not use them for load balancing, for exapmle. I think it could be done but would have to be done off the router as it’s higly CPU and storage intensice. Router could provide the needed data through netflow which ROS does failrly well already.
actually, all this can be (and should be) done using precise mathematical algorithms - for example, I don’t want to guess, what path will be selected next, I need to know exactly 
I think you’d agree that it is hard to make effective rules when you’re unable to mark traffic because it is encrypted- such as skype traffic:
https://www.dpacket.org/articles/revealing-skype-traffic-when-randomness-plays-you
I’m able to mark any traffic - ‘mangle add action=mark-packet new-packet-mark=all-I-have’ =)
the other question - why do I need to mark exactly Skype traffic, and nothing else?
well, that idea is just mad. you should check what other methods to emulate some intelligence are available. Even thought method name “neural network” includes word network - it is far far from networking as we know it here at this moment and in foreseeable future with IPv6 implementations becoming norm.
and what about IPv6 over PPPoE? 
just kidding