The css610 outputs more power than that. I would hope the specs would take into account that devices with 2.5 gbe ports use more power.
yeah i think PoE**+** is becoming mandatory and PoE**++** is becoming mainstream
I’m not really interested in ultra-high-power PoE for niche cases, i want something to run the bulk of my radios and I’d rather not pay the price for a bunch of 'bt ports when I need 'at ports for 99%. The extra couple of bucks per port leads to a lot of wasted spending for a lot of operators.
cambium 4500/4600, ~<10W
tachyon 3xx, ~17w peak or 34W w/ PoE passthrough BUT I don’t need that at a tower so I don’t need my tower switch to handle that.
LTU, ~13w
airmax, ~3-10W
Mimosa A6, ~12W
anything bigger than that needs dedicated DC runs anyway.
The total output is a bit of an issue, even on NP16 where you need to balance the loads out each side of the switch. So improving that total output power would be ideal. Basically, make an 'at switch with enough power to run each port at full 'at output.
So yeah, let’s ask for mostly 'at level ports because the price will be better.
If anything, do the standard model like I describe and then an all but identical ‘HP’ model with higher power outputs.
100% agree. I’d be good just ~15W 802.11af, that solve a lot of problem. I’d take 30W 802.3at… But agree once you get to needing >30W, I’m of your opinion…an injector often a better plan.
It’s the 0 PoE ports that’s the problem…
Zero PoE please or models with and without like RB5009.
Can you guys clarify the use case of 2.5G ports but with PoE output? I thought this kind of switch was great for high end PC’s, not for plugging in more routers?
What’s the cost difference between 2.5GbE and 10GbE ports (with optional PoE)? I’d really like to see SOHO equipment moving to minimum 10GbE for future-proofing.
Use-case from storage network with jumbo frame to enterprise DIA to labs etc.
We already have this https://mikrotik.com/product/crs312_4c_8xg_rm
CPU specs worry me about using this as a layer 3 access switch (or perhaps distribution switch in smaller networks) for running a few thousand/ten thousand BGP routes/OSPF and in future if MikroTik supports VXLAN with EVPN or MPLS/EVPN.
Should we need to worry about this type of CPU spec on your switches for route computation and EVPN?
This is a switch. CPU has no relevance in this device. If you need BGP, forget about any CRS series device, you need CCR:
https://mikrotik.com/product/ccr2116_12g_4splus
However we do not yet have routers with copper 10G ports, only SFP+
It’s a switch, so why should it compute routes (thousands of them)? How does “thousands of routes” relate to “distribution switch in smaller networks”? In my world it doesn’t, in my world “distribution switch in smaller network”, even if used as L3, switch, is about a few (less than 10) subnets with tens of hosts active in each subnet.
Yes I’m building out my Home Network still which will be 2.5G forward of the Router, this switch is perfect for me BUT, I would like to be able to plug-in
4xCap ax’s (Is that classed as a router!) and not have to worry about power supply demand should I want to plug a camera into the end of it for Example.
I thought this product was aimed at small office/home use No?
Lots of new wireless gear is supporting 2.5G poe input. tachyon, ubiqiuti Wave Micro, cambium cnwave. The lack of 2.5G ports has really hindered our mikrotik deployments. We love the netpower 16p and use that as the base for tons of pops w/ it’s hardware forwarding but have had to use different gear for mmwave micro-pops.
The same as above but aid differently:
There are hundred of devices types that can by powered by PoE, but by far, the most common ones are either IP phones, IP cams or WiFi APs.
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To my knowledge, IP phones are still and only Gigabit devices.
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For IP cams, maybe 2.5Gb/s will break trough given video storage requirements that will go with crossing 1Gb/s limit, IP cams are still Fast Ethernet or Gigabit devices.
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The only devices requiring both 2.5 Gb/s and PoE are high end WiFi APs.
CRS310-8P+2S+IN nicely cover these target. I would appreciate if it could be DIN Rail mounted.
I have access points that are ax 4x4 that have both 1g and 2.5g ports that allow for poe in on both ports. I only have one drop run to each access point. These are at/af compatible but I have seen 6e access points that need bt.
I don’t think I will need a 10gbe poe switch (all ports) with poe (bt) - although I am sure some people will.
Yes more near the mark, but do you see my point.
CSS610:
PoE-out
Details
PoE-out ports Ether1-Ether8
PoE out 802.3af/at
Max out per port output (input 18-30 V) 1000 mA
Max out per port output (input 30-57 V) 625 mA
Total output power 140
cAP ax Only: 9 watts
30V 300ma
48V 190ma
57V 160ma
cAP ax With Attachments: 38 watts
30V 1.27A
48V 790ma
57V 670ma
Access points. Indoor and outdoor.
Indoor you’ve got new WiFi 6 AP’s that have 2.5G ports and more powerful radios.
Outdoors, as mentioned by others. The holy grail of switches for WISPs today would be your new CRS310, but with 24-32W of POE out on the copper ports, in a weather-proof enclosure. Like the outdoor versions of the CRS305 and RB5009. (Those are beautiful, BTW.)
The Peraso-based radios (Tachyon, Ubiquiti Wave) all need 24W to avoid random reboots and resets. (And they actually use the whole 24W during software updates, so .450mA doesn’t quite cut it when the voltage drops below 50V, as tested on a CRS328.) Tachyon’s all have 2.5G ports, and Ubiquiti’s AP’s and backhauls have 2.5G ports. With Netonix and UI high-power POE switches in short supply, the favored outdoor/tower-mounted switch of WISPs has become the NetPower 16.
Tachyon just released the five-port TNS100 (four 2.5G POE and 1 SFP+), an indoor switch. It’s great, but at most of my sites I need more than four ports.
Today I have a few CRS310’s ( 5SFP, 4SFP+) combined with Netonix POE switches in boxes on rooftops routing customer traffic with L3HW offload and doing a marvelous job. Other sites employ CRS318’s (NetPower 16) with L3HW offload.
Ideally, if a couple of the ports had even more power (45-55W), you could run Siklu 2500’s and 8010’s for 2-10Gbps of backhaul. But I imagine most people feed those separately. I feed them off the Netonix high-powered ports.
biggest wish, get rid of 24v PoE on consumer devices, replace it with standard 48v PoE
That’s not a mikrotik feature and I do not want mikrotik trying to push that because radios are the determining factor, switches should follow the market not try to fix the market.
As a newsletter suggestion, perhaps y’all add some “editorial column” from JanisM.
Something like why Mikrotik does make more 48V 802.3 PoE device be a good topic… I get need for 24V someplace (WISPs / Wi-Fi), but PoE has been standardized for a long time so at both home and datacenters, passive PoE doesn’t make a lot of sense. e.g. The product lines are all over the place in power specs…
I’m sure 802.3 added a lot of cost/complexity 10+ years ago… is that still true? Is making “flexible” power options (24V&48V, passive&active) really that hard?
It’s this kinda content that be useful IMO.