https://box.mikrotik.com/f/b50619605cee4d778e10/?dl=1
Is this the new combined CPE / short-distance backhaul device intended to fill the gap left behind by the discontinued Disc Lite ac - which will also take the battle against the Wave Nano?
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Wow. I would never use a Wave Nano at 10km/6mi, but looks like it’s capable of that distance in ISP Design (-61 in our area).
The plus side of these is RouterOS + Peraso. Running routing protocols in the radio could be useful, and a full FW/NAT suite for situations where the customer’s site warrants it is also welcome.
Now, if these things “magically” work with Wave or Tachyon AP’s, that could come in handy for certain edge cases.
The numbers provided for range are always heavily exaggerated, and I would never expect 60G to work reliably over 2-3 km - and even then only 99% of the time.
Heavy rain, sleet and snow and ice buildup kills 60G.
But if you can do gig speed 361 days combined a year, you can live with AX fallback of a few 100 megs rest of the time.
My longest in-production 60GHz link is 22km/14mi; I’m not adverse to distance. I just wouldn’t use Wave Nanos. I use Wave LR or Wave Pro for those distances because of improved gain and alignment.
Hopefully the MikroTik Peraso-based units come with some kind of precision alignment mount that doesn’t suck.
The built-in AX radios aren’t very tolerant of noise. My backup for my 60GHz or 80GHz links are typically AF5XHD’s or the new Wave MLO6 radios, which can give us decent throughput during rain fade events and work at up to 5-6 miles. For longer links I’m using 11GHz for 80GHz backup.
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WIll be very interested to see their antenna performance. This is the Peraso chipset, so much longer reach on channels 5-6 as it’s outside of the oxygen absorption band.
Should be compatible with UI and Tachyon gear as well. No mention of antenna gain - or… price.
Very interested in this product.
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Thanks for useful info!
What gear are you using for 22km?
And where are you located?
I use Nanos for a few short hauls (ca 1km) where the nRays gen 1 have proved to fail in bad weather.
If the nRAY gen2 lives up to expectations they will be a hit on moderate length hauls where lower (AX) speeds are tolerated a few hours or days a year.
Like I wrote, my main enemy for 60G is sleet/snow around zero deg C, that knocks them out.
I can very well use the nRAY gen2 for PtMP, provided that a decent 60G AP with AX backup is released. Something with 30-45 degrees 5GHz element would be nice.
I use the Cube Pro devices on some sites for short distance customers, but the 1x1 ac fallback sucks bigtime.
When alignment is considered, I find the nRAY gen1 mount sufficient for me.
As usual, always behind anyway...
802.11ay has been around for years (2021)...
and they keep making 802.11ad devices (2012)...
Then I understand why both @sirbryan and I buy equipment from other 256QAM manufacturers...
Ubiquiti Wave Pro. We’re in Utah, and have the blessing of dry air and mountain altitude to help with those distances. The longer links seem to work well when going up to mountain tops and back down into the valley on the other side. My 80GHz vendors tell me that my 27km/16mi hop is the longest they know of in the world. (It is backed up by 11GHz.)
Never used the nRay’s. So much of my network is PTMP that I quickly outgrew the 8-user limit of the Qualcomm chipset and moved to Peraso-based gear (Ubiquiti and Tachyon). I still have a bunch of wAP60’s as AP’s and Cube60 and LHG60’s on the air, but I haven’t bought new MikroTik 60GHz for a couple years.
I don’t know why MikroTik doesn’t have a Peraso-based PTMP solution yet.
Hopefully their AX will fare better than Ubiquiti’s. Without custom sauce, though, the generic Qualcomm AX stuff does not handle noise well. Shorter ranges do OK.
Yup.
I’ve been using the Cube60 with AC radios and an Omnitik (which also happens to power and switch the wAP 60’s). It works OK, but 5GHz is so trashed it’s hard for anywhere but the shortest hops.