rb3011 based on ARM CPU

You are right but conversion’s dark time is far far away behind us…64-bit is quite common and Linux kernel is more than ready to forget 32-bit times.
Conversion from 64 to 128 bits is not easy as it was for 32 to 64 bit process but conversion between different ARM/X32/x64 and big and little endian is not a problem…it is already done.
ARM is already Linux’s Tier 1 architecture and we should do not expect problems in recompiling to new architecture if only MT code is properly written.

MikroTik Team - could You answer - WHEN? When will be available RB3011 ???

We encountered a setback during final testing, so there was a delay, we have solved the issue, and device is moving to manufacturing.

The process of developing a device is long, it involves lots of prototypes, samples, etc. Sometimes there is a small issue and the whole chain of events is affected.

When we announce a product, we only give a rough estimate when it will become available. Sometimes there is a shift in the development process and the date moves. I can’t say exactly when it will be available, because there are many variables that can still change.

Normis, month after Your answer - I’m asking again - WHEN ?
When will be available RB3011 ?

I’ve lost my patience. I’ve bought new 850gx2H.

As I also have some projects coming up, I wonder if Mikrotik/Normis could give some rough estimate when the 3011 and hAP ac will become available?

Allthough I understand that you can’t give us an exact date, it should be possible to give us a ‘within 1, 2 or 3 months’ date range. E.g. if you already know now that it will not be within 2 months I can move on with my projects and look for other devices, it would be very much appreciated!

which is or will be faster? the new rb850gx2 or the rb3011 ?

A small follow up for fellow anxious waiters; we gave Mikrotik a call and on the phone they said both devices should be available end of Q3 / last week of September.

resellers withdraw/cancelled preorders in both companies i preorder. perhaps there was probles with production or availability of RB3011. they said “had no idea when/if it will b available” :frowning:

go figure - dualcore 1.2Ghz ARM even in crippled A9(?) core with tiny caches/bus/IMC/FPU seriously outperform low-power 32-bit E550(?) PPC SoC from FreeScale.
Qualcomm/Atheros also had better SDK than Freescale and Broadcom, IMO.
if RB850gx was based on 64-bit PPC cores From freescale it would be more fun. have it 2x 1.2 E5500 or E6500 cores(these usually start from 8x ;P)it may be really challenging for RB3011.


p.s.
personally i would like something more like 951 version on this chip for home.
no LCD screen. no 8 ports(5x more than enough). no USB port, no SFP cage, no external antenna. more compact case(951 and 750/751 form-factor was okay)
and similar version without WiFi whatsoever to replace/Augment hEX.

and RB850Gx2 and RB2011 will be replaced by slighly OC’ed to 1.6Ghz(?)version of chip with HUGE heatsink. or quad-core version of it.

Myself - I would love to see a a new bread of screaming high-throughput Mikrotiks using the latest/fastest/lots-of-CPU-cache Intel 64-bit processors available.

Even using ROS x86 (32-bit) in a VMware environment, I am able to get Mikrotik UDP speed tests using 127.0.0.1 over 17 gig. And between two different VMware boxes with 10-Gig links with each hosting a ROS x86 (32-bit) in a VMware environment, I am still able to get a Mikrotik speedtest of of almost 10 gig (ROS to ROS through the network).

I also suspect that running the same tests without using Hypervisors (VMware), the results would only be faster.

I would like to ask, what is the fastest any RB has achieved with a Mikrotik speedtest to 127.0.0.1 ?

I would very much like to see a high-end Mikrotik with the power to take on a full-sized Cisco router and possibly out-perform a Cisco.

my 2 cents
North Idaho Tom Jones

these SDN boxes already made in last 3years. still Very expensive, quirky and lot of prorietary stuff, despite being based on FOSS SDN solutions.
both x86-based and Arm/MIPS/PPC-based.
personally i would prefer new AMD low-power x86 SoC for that purpose, than intel things.
cuz low-power chips from AMD seriously faster and colder, yet.
as for high-performance setups, its will be b-necked by chipsets and CPU interface with it. and already do even in desktop applications.
well you may notice(including links in my post above)new tilera chip(ARM based 100-core many-core SoC :wink:, which eventually would be used in top-dog CCR devices.
as for future version - it would be based on A72-based(instead of A53)cores, maybe and had faster(optical)fabric/interconnect(essential for both many-core and multicore(starting from ~3x cores or so)chips).
so far in “networking” applications - ARM beat intel. so many-core and multi-core A57, A53 and A72-based SoC will had OUTSTANDING power/speed/footprint/price ration compared to such. and if you go for “monster-load” applications/use - stick to Tilera. software/ROS not scale enough(no ZOL things/approach used from Tilera, yet and nothing was Erlang-rewritten, yet too), but its about time.

re: personally i would prefer new AMD low-power x86 SoC for that purpose, than intel things.

Sometimes and often, there is a trade-off in speed to achieve a lower power consumption.

I would rather see a build it to run the absolute fastest, then have an optional ROS package that can be enabled to support Advanced-Power-Management.

Also - AMD vs Intel 64-bit processors. I would suggest going with the fastest CPU & highest throughput CPU (for ROS) no matter which company makes it (AMD or Intel).

Also, with a (very bad ass) 64-Bit ROS (Intel/AMD) environment, Mikrotik could also capture a huge growing Virtual Hypervisor market share at the same time. Has anybody looked at the price of a Cisco router/firewall platform that runs in a HyperVisor environment? This is way to big of a market to simply ignore. When ever possible, I use HyperVisor environments for my routers and firewalls. All of my Mikrotiks are only doing WDS or AP or customer NAT functions, and I only use my Cisco routers/switches because they support lots of 10-gig interfaces.

North Idaho Tom Jones

it seems that you have not seen CHR yet

I know almost nothing about the CHR. What is the difference between CHR and x-86 ROS?

as for “fastest and baddest” any kind of x86 sucks compared to things like Power8 or Sparc T5 and alikes.
including E5, E7 and EP chips.

CHR is Cloud Hosted Router, a special IMG file for virtual machines. Improvements over regular x86 from ISO file:

  • free (no license) with all features
  • supports hyper-v and all the drivers for various environments
  • 64bit

Currently runs at 1Mbit per interface, because we will have a subscription service for around 1-2$ per month to remove this limit. There are no other limits for now (like a Level6 license).

More info:
http://forum.mikrotik.com/t/cloud-hosted-router/89979/1
http://forum.mikrotik.com/t/routeros-virtual-labs/90606/1

wow !
sounds like cool offer/product :=)
there isn’t plans to port appliance to EMC/VMWare, VirtualBox/HyperBox, Parallels contaniers/format and community-made/support FOSS platforms ?
qemu atleast ? kvm-based products ?

Will we be able to buy a 5GHz version already assembled?

personally i was more curious by “-ln” low-end version and “-rm” rack-mount versions of device :slight_smile:
but all resellers refuse to take pre-orders. some even to my surprise - unaware about such device existence/announcement :frowning:(
(send them brochure and newsletter. they seems really interested)

CHR is already available for all of the above. It is an image that you can convert to any of the mentioned formats, and run CHR in KVM, Quemy etc. See the forum links I posted, there are instructions