turn PowerBox Pro into PoE Switch powered by NVR out

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hi,

I will purchase the PowerBox Pro and want to power with the PoE out of my NVR to supply power to my PoE camera.

I want to have a clear idea of the config before the device arrives in about 10 days.

Therefore I wanted to transform the router into a Simple PoE switch, is this procedure a good procedure here?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP9AEth07Ag

this procedure outlined here basically resets the config and creates a Bridge with all the interfaces

  1. is this short procedure counseled by you?

  2. so yes this config video seems to create the switch… but i’m not sure how the "actual device gets an IP set to it " for it’s basic activities like updating firmware etc…

ciao,
Antonio

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  • Factory reset device with no default config


  • Create a new bridge and all add all ports to bridge


  • Set dhcp client to bridge


  • Plug ethernet cable from NVR in powerbox port 1

Powerbox will request IP from NVR

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That’s easy peasy!!!

really appreciate it!

thank you!!

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Just for the record: you have to connect NVR to port ether1 because it’s the PoE-in port. With the outlined configuration, all the ports are equal regarding ethernet traffic (and hence IP traffic). E.g. DHCP client would be able to obtain IP address regardless of which port was used to connect upstream (towards DHCP server/router).

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Thank you Guru!!!
will do!!!

ciao,
Antonio!!

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Guys,

I need to mount this device about 2.5 mt up on the wall.

is it easy? is there another support i need to purchase to mount it to the wall??

unless I mount some kind of tubular pipe to the wall and then mount the device to the tubular pipe??

ciao,
Antonio

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There’s the Quick Mount and Quick Mount Pro the PowerBox can attach to.

The quick mount is literally what you described “a tubular pipe” while the Pro has the pipe and an attachment for SXT (and i think it fits the powerbox too)

P.s. i dont know if PoE is enabled by default on the ethernet ports. Might have to enable it under interface/ethernet

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Well, it comes with a (metal) DIN rail mount (for the most common 35 mm omega), so the easiest would be to procure a short piece of that or make one from a piece of tin sheet:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIN_rail
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DIN-rail-dimensions.svg
and fix the latter to the wall with a couple anchors.
The powerbox is 125 mm wide,. so a 100 mm long or shorter rail would be fine and will not be visible once the device is mounted.
If you have an electrician friend, it can be recovered from any old electrical box, but a set of two or three can be bought new for a few Euros, or less if you are fine with Aliexpress and its times, example:
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/2255800647017049.html
You may want to add a small piece of plastic or wood between the rail and the wall as a spacer to keep the device a couple centimeters off the wall to allow air flow behind the device and make it easier to snap on and off the rail.

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Guys,

you guys are great.

look what I got : https://www.ceramicstore.eu/it/maniglione-20-cm-up-di-gedy-in-acciaio-inox-bianco?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw5PK_BhBBEiwAL7GTPVHgfC4dGYkcl_D_stSXYZzR0XMfESWMCtwnQlCKFsCDR7vBV9UzShoCwqQQAvD_BwE

I went to the brico center where there is everything and some guy suggested this , and I bought it!!!

will mount this thing vertically and then mount the power box pro to this tubular handle :slight_smile: . i’s like a shower handle for old people :slight_smile:

ciao,
Antonio

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I have to guess that WAF[1] is totally irrelevant :open_mouth: or you actually like to sleep on the sofa in the living room :wink: .

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wife_acceptance_factor

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I have a wife that is understanding!

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You could get a small piece of pve pipe and drill two holes through it and screw it to the wall, then use the clamps that come with the powerbox to attached to the pipe. That shower handle is expensive

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Yep, and besides the (IMHO) ugliness of the solution, from an engineering viewpoint, you are using something designed for 150 Kg load to bear a 0.25 Kg device, with a safety factor of 600! :unamused:

At the very least you could go midway :wink: and use one of these:
https://www.inbagno.it/portarotolo-carta-igienica-bagno/336-porta-rotolo-a-muro-in-abs-bianco-gioia.html

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Well, maybe he wants to use it to hang a lamp or a flower pot to get the WAF up.

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I love you guys!! :slight_smile:

i paid about 8 euros for it at Tecnomat.

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is PoE Enabled? that is the question , so if it is enabled it must be enabled in a way that it will not power the eth port of my PC?

if the PoE is not Enabled what is the correct setting to make sure that it is enabled in a way to make sure that only PoE devices will get the power?

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It depends.
How (exactly) are you powering it?
And what (exactly) are you going to power with it?

PoE in is ONLY passive, but can be “low voltage” (aka 24V) or “high voltage” (aka 48V).
PoE out can only be at the SAME voltage as PoE in.
BUT if it is 48V it can be BOTH 802.3af/at or passive, if it is 24V it can be ONLY passive (because the 802.3af/at device on the other end won’t like the low voltage).

In any case Mikrotik devices do a basic check for resistance.
and you can choose individually on which (of the PoE out ports) you want power out or not and how (within limits) it should behave:
https://help.mikrotik.com/docs/spaces/ROS/pages/19136769/PoE-Out

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Hi Guru,

I will be powering the Powerbox pro with the out PoE of my NVR.

look at the NVR specs here below, i think I should be good.. do you agree?

RLN8-410-PoE-NVR-Specifications
Model RLN8-410
Hardware Hardware N7MB01
Video/Audio
Input
IP Video Input PoE IP Camera x 8
Audio Input Cameras with built-in mic
Video/Audio
Output
HDMI Output Resolution 3840x2160, 1920x1080, 1280x1024,
1280x720, 1024x768
VGA Output Resolution 1920x1080, 1280x1024, 1280x720, 1024x768
Audio output 1-Channel, RCA
Decoding
Video Format H.264, H.265
Live View / Playback
Resolution
7680×2160, 4608×1728, 4512×2512,
4096×3072, 3840×2160, 2560×2560,
2560×1920, 2560×1440, 2048×1536,
2304×1296, 1080p, 720p
Synchronous Playback Up to 4 channels
HDD
SATA 1 x SATA interface (1 x 2TB HDD included)
External HDD 1 eSATA Interface for HDD
Capacity Up to 12TB (max. 6TB capacity for each HDD)
External Interface
USB Interface 2 x USB 2.0
Network Interface
1, RJ-45 10/100 Mbps self-adaptive Ethernet
interface for LAN/WAN
8, RJ-45 10/100 Mbps self-adaptive PoE
Ethernet interface for IP camera
PoE Max. Power Per Port 25W
Supported Standard IEEE 802.3af/at
Network
Network Protocols HTTP, TCP/IP, UDP, DHCP, P2P, UPNP, RTSP,
SMTP, SSL/TLS, DNS, DDNS, NTP, FTP
Browsers Supported Edge, Firefox, Chrome, Safari
OS Supported PC: Windows, Mac OS; smartphone: iOS,
Android
Max. User Access
20 users (1 admin account & 19 user
accounts); supports up to 12 simultaneous
video streams (10 substreams & 2
mainstreams)
General
Power Supply DC 48V~53V
Power Consumption <10W (Without HDD&PoE)
Working Environment Temperature: -10°C~+45°C (14°F~113°F);
humidity: 10%~90%
Dimensions 260 x 41 x 230mm
Weight 1.4kg
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Maybe, or may be not.
That NVR is Poe Out 802.3af/at.
It has to be seen in practice if it can output passive PoE (which is what the Mikrotik requires as PoE in).
In any case it is at 48V.

Provided that it works, what will you power from the powerbox pro? (devices need to be 48V compatible).

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This gives you power budget for PowerBox Pro and all connected cameras. PowerBox Pro is specced at 6W max (it might have typical consuption a Watt or two less). So around 20W will remain for powering attached cameras. What is rated power consumption of those?

And don’t forget: long UTP cables (specially low-spec cat-5e) will eat off portion of the budget.