What does MikroTik have against external antennas in SOHO products?

all these are solved by simply choosing the right product for purchase - RB9xx and RB4xx series have it all. Including sleek black case with external antennas.

http://routerboard.com/CA411-711

And slick “bloated” capacitors on RB4xx series. Especially RB411xx is the product you can really rely on :wink:

And if you need cheap wifi router with external antena and at least 5 Ethernets?
2011 is not solution… :confused:
If you need dualband AP? RB 433 with two cards? or rb493 with two cards? :frowning:
If you need dualband ceiling AP? rbCAP is only 2,4Ghz and only 1chain.
I can give you more examples…

I see you are referring to an issue specifically on RB450 that happened many years ago. Since then, we use higher grade capacitors, and 3-4 years we have not received one RMA unit with such issue.

If we all put our heads together, we can probably come up with at least 100 types of routerboards that MikroTik needs to make. Especially all of them under 19EUR per piece. But in reality, there is only so much we can do in given amount of time. Step by step we add more products, and drive the price down as much as we can.

in year 2000, our cheapest router was 2000$
now, the hAP lite costs under the price of our L4 license.

We still have a lot of exciting products to be announced this year. Keep following the news :slight_smile:

I would rather see those exciting products in the shops on the shelves than just being announced and then not delivered at expected time…

@normis: I see your point, but I think MT really lacks products in dual band market. Let’s look at 802.11ac - currently there’s no even single product which can act as dual band AC router (2 or more RJ45’s + miniPCIe/builtin ac radio + miniPCI/builtin 2.4 radio) from you :frowning:
RB3011 could be that product, but it’s impossible to use two radios. The only one, which probably land in our hands somewhere around october, is hAP AC - while 5 ports is enough I’m little worried about performance.

Mikrotik hardware is really great, but I think you should consider user opinions. Speaking about further changes most of ISPs will be extremely happy to see hardware for GPON, since this market is growing really fast in Europe. Also there’s no hardware with FXS (and no plans for support it as I found).

Yes rb941 is very very good product. We use them very often. :slight_smile: Price is also very good.
In my eyes (ISP) is there too much desktop switches CRS210-8G-2S+IN, CRS212-1G-10S-1S+IN, CRS112-8G-4S-IN
Who have on table 10 and more SFP optic cables?
We need more products with POE output. At least 8x POE out.
There is actualy only RB750UP and POWERBOX (the same product only oudoor)
We need CAP but dualband. Or 2x2 mimo.

We still have a lot of exciting products to be announced this year. Keep following the news > :slight_smile:

Where is news 66 from mikrotik? We still waiting for CCR1072, DynaDish5, hAPac and others.
CCR1072 was mentioned in Q3/Q4 2014 and still nothing. No words about it…

You have true. There is only RB953 (3x ETH), expensive and unsuitable as a dual-band AP on table :frowning:

RB3011 could be that product, but it’s impossible to use two radios.

Integrated 2,4Ghz + miniPCIe is better.

Mikrotik hardware is really great, but I think you should consider user opinions. Speaking about further changes

Yes. Mikrotik - Give us more info on forum. Ask users, more questions for ISP what they need…

most of ISPs will be extremely happy to see hardware for GPON

That’s what I wanted to say, we need current GPON :slight_smile:

Speaking of RB953 it’s overkill for sure, but it’s also targeted more for base station than actual router :wink: Plus it needs actually two cards - 5Ghz 802.11ac + 2.4Ghz 802.11b/g/n - since integrated wireless is 5Ghz 802.11a/n one.
I even looked at any solution with one ethernet and at least one SFP (to use 1G copper module) but I still haven’t found any with miniPCIe and integrated 2.4Ghz radio (or with ability to install one).

CCR1072 was mentioned in Q3/Q4 2014 and still nothing. No words about it…

Time to check with the distributor :slight_smile:

One problem solved :slight_smile: And others?

I’m referring to an issue connected with RB4xx series. I bought 20x RB411 couple of moths ago from i4wifi and yes, the capacitors are still bloating. Maybe they have an old supply, RoS version was 5.26 that came with them. You don’t receive RMA about this issue because it’s much much cheaper and faster to change the capacitors by yourself. Sending routers to Latvia and wating for their return can take weeks, changing capacitors takes max 10 mins per rb411 board with 4 of those capacitors and capacitors are really cheap.

Changed 3 capacitors out of 4 2 months ago, should have replaced the fourth too. As you can see this is not a RB450 board and far from being the only one.

Like I said, we have not made products with these capacitors since many years, if you have such device, it is covered by warranty.

I agree with you. :smiley:

I recently tried my house a asus rt ac68u.He returned immediately to Amazon and returned to my RB951 that has better range by setting all at 23 dBm.

It would be the same comfortable with the possibility of an RB951 external antennas.

In my opinion the perfect device for home regardless of the final cost would be a HAP AC with the same form factor of RB951 with any external antennas, and over the USB microSD reader, a button to close the LED and maybe a screen LCD :smiley:

I truly believe, both by judging mikrotik’s design of the 951 line, and from direct experience, that external antennas are just marketing gimmics for lower-end network manufacturers, specially at low price ranges.

We are dealing with SOHO scenarios, where 70 to 80 of wireless devices are phones, and to work well you should be able to hear, and hear them well, so any improvement in reception is worth any design change.

Putting anything but the antenna itself in-built on the PCB via an optimized RF design (using plastic as a cover for the device) just “clogs” the line to the board radio “ear” and it’s a hard to beat path in design, specially in these price ranges.

I also see more an unobstrusive, sleek look without the gather-dusting, and not particularly useful protuding antennas that are more for looks than anything else… unless for whatever reason you use metal housings: compare the 2011UiAS-2HnD vs a 951Ui/G specs for example.

External antenas are especially worthless in 802.11ac MIMO setups. To perform effective beamforming antenas have to be aligned properly.

external antennas on indoor wifi implementations have the drawback of increasing collisions, decreasing capacity and worsening the snr from accesspoint perspective picking more noise and interference of near accesspoints and clients on the same channel.

if you feel you need more gain antenna on wifi environment you are possibly wrong, possibly what you really need is to improve accesspoint location or more accesspoints with the benefit of increased capacity.

hi all,

I’m look at replacing my ubiquiti unifi ap’s (had multiple replacements, they just never lasts) with multiple hAP ac lite’s. Athough these don’t have external antennas, I should get good coverage in my home?