What model to use?

Hi everyone,

Sorry for the cliche but I’m new with Mikrotik and as an ISP, I have had the training but still don’t know much about the hardware, without further ado, the purpose of this post is to ask the community about my dilemma:

I need to deliver a service of 5Gbps but I’m having problems of what will be the right hardware, one idea was to install a switch on the client side for the performance (and it’ll be cheaper than a CCR) but I also thought about configuring a queue to limit the bandwidth but for what I have read Mikrotik doesn’t limit the bandwidth correctly when is more than 1Gbps, so that is also another issue how to limit the bandwidth.

Can any kind soul help me solve the conundrum? I’ll really appreciate it.

Kind regards,
Angel Romero

And where did you read it?

I don’t have the exact site, but also during training this was mentioned a lot, I actually asked about this because right now we are limiting a 3 Gbps service seems like its working though.

Who taught you that?
We need to go back to who sells this information to get elucidations, otherwise they are all urban legends.

What are your qualifications, general IT knowledge or actual Mikrotik Certifications???
If this is your company business, it sounds like you need to hire a consultant…
https://mikrotik.com/consultants

I don’t know what the problem is, I’m just asking an honest question here. Yes I may be inexperienced but knowledge/training doesn’t give you experience with the hardware or maybe I had a shitty training, that is why I was trying to reach the community that certainly has more experience and knowledge. Don’t know if I didn’t convey my question correctly or is not that simple to answer that you reacted in that way, either way I guess this wasn’t the correct platform for my question.

Regards,

i usage ccr1036 ask mikrotik support how to limit vlan 1.500 mbps
answer
Hello,

Could you upgrade to ROS 7.8 and test to see what happens? If the CPU is maxing out as well, try to set it to 1400M, but as queues are per core, it may be, that to achieve these speeds you need a router with better per core performance.

Best regards,

Mikrotik technique, which I understand from here, recommends the CCR2x series for limiting high bandwidths.
When you limit high bandwidths on tile series routers, the cpu does not go below 100%, does anyone have any recommendations?

It is the same thing as writing that a bicycle cannot have a speed limited to 200…
OBVIOUS…

@aromerombit
There isn’t the slightest problem, if you pay attention we just want to understand where they teach that bulls…t.
It’s obvious that if you have to drive 5G and you use a “hEX S” it doesn’t work…

To have a more precise opinion, you must be more precise yourself,
one thing is to let the traffic “pass or limit”, another thing is then everything that must be managed by the same machine such as BGP, pppoe, firewall, etc.
More precise specifications are needed, and it is better if you divide the various tasks among several machines (regardless the vendor)

Perhaps this a ChatGPT invasion LOL

:question:

The configuration is simple I just need to deliver 5Gbps with let’s say a router(CRS/CCR), this router will have 2 interfaces SFP+ on to receive my Fiber and the other to deliver the 5Gbps to the client, the hardware will give a subnet /30 to the client and a simple/Tree queue set to limit the 10Gbps link to 5Gbps so the end user doesn’t abuse the 10Gbps link.

I had to research the same but for a 1Gbps service and found out from the research (again maybe bullshit information) that for that kind of service a RB4011 is a good choice, that is what I wanted to find out, because, again I’m not familiar with the hardware.

If you see the test result of the devices,
for example the RB4011
https://mikrotik.com/product/rb4011igs_rm#fndtn-testresults
You can see the max speed of 4,286.9 for 25 queues, obviously if you have less queues… but have only one SFP+

CCR2004 have 2 SFP+ and
https://mikrotik.com/product/ccr2004_16g_2splus#fndtn-testresults
And have 7917.6 for 25 queues…

And next step is CCR2116…
https://mikrotik.com/product/ccr2116_12g_4splus#fndtn-testresults
25897.4Mbps with 25 queues…

So I can follow the Tests Result (which I’ve read before) in case of the CRS, correct me if I’m wrong I need to take into account the Ethernet test results not the Switching if it is running RouterOS?

And again with the BS information, the trainer told me that if the CRS is running RouterOS the performance is degraded but if you bridge two or more interfaces together with hardware offloading the CRS will process the traffic on said bridge without the penalty in perfomance for running RouterOS? Is this also BS?

CRS is a Switch, CCR is a Router.
Do not do router’s thing with a switch (for example, routing and queues)

hello @romero.

i think your question is legit.

i don’t know how things work for isp like you in your place, but maybe you can just ask local mikrotik sales representative about your isp requirements . or perhaps @normis could help you with that.

maybe you could ask mikrotik for hardware demo trial? so you could see the performance.

of course you can make yourself x86 test router or switch, but I don’t think it will represent your intended crs or ccr.

good luck :+1:t2:

When you say service - is there any chance you are referring to a circuit? Asking for the sake of clarity.

Yeah a circuit, I wrote it as a “service” in terms that we give them the “service” of connecting them to the internet. But in the case of our ISP they call it a circuit.

I decided to install a CCR2004 to deliver the 5Gbps, hope is not overkill. Don’t be mad is this is stupid, there are so many different opinions on this matter, in example: when we started as an ISP we knew even less about Mikrotik than we know now, so we hired a consultant and they created the backbone(core network) for the ISP, after that I analyzed the configuration took the training in most of the certification of Mikrotik (sorry this is just background) and continued with it, since then the network has grown.

The point to this story is that we had and to certain point have a consultant and I asked the same question that I did my trainer and on this post: the answer of my trainer was that it was difficult for mikrotik to limit the bandwidth after certain Mbps, the answer of the consultant was that while using the CRS3XX I can deliver and limit the 5Gbps and there is your answer, which from what I understood is don’t use a switch where you need a router and that is why is confusing.

Hi Angel, the logic escapes me?
You have a 10Gigabit Fibre line you are paying for.
You have one customer that is asking for 5gb,

Solution: Get a router that can handle 5gb only ?? Test result for queues and filters show a throughput of between 5-8gigs

Better Solution: Get a router that can handle 10gb and not maxed out capacity either, and thus can use or sell the rest of the fiber connection throughput.
CCR2116

CCR2004 surely is not overkill at all for your setup. at best there will be just enough headroom at last.

the only weird thing with mikrotik (some hardware at least - need to search my training documents to pinpoint :smiley: ) QoS - in some cases when the queue gets overloaded or queue bucket(s) are empty, no more fw or bridge rules are processed and it behaves more like a hub.
hope i can contact my former trainer on that topic

so that’s why i meant, no overkill but good to have headroom