Wireless Wire Dish + wAP 60G AP = longer range?

The new 60GHz products are very interesting, however, the 200m range limit of the wAP is a challenge. Can a Wireless Wire Dish (RBLHGG-60ad) be used as a CPE with a wAP 60G AP (RBwAPG-60ad-A) as an access point? If so, what is the likely range? If this combination could get 2Gbps @ 500m it would open some really interesting doors for us.

Once I have one Wireless Dish set I would Test this!

Thanks mistry7 - that would be great. It usually takes a few months for equipment availability in Australia. How long do you think until you might get your hands on a unit?

i have 6 sets in backorder at different europe distributions, hopefully we get them fast…

I can test that for you too :slight_smile:
We will see who will get the gear sooner, mistry7 or me.

But honestly, I don’t think it will work. What do I assume is that data from LHG can be received at WAP, but not in opposite direction, so the link will not form at all… But this is just my guessing…

It will work on higher distances, soon we will update this topic with test results.

There is no reason for that. When you have (as it is) two different units with the same sensitivity and transmitter output power, but with different antenna pattern and resulting gain, the connection between them will be reciprocal.
The increased EIRP from LHG due to more antenna gain will also mean it has better receive performance (due to the same antenna gain).
The max distance between WAP and LHG will of course still be less than between two LHG, because at one end you have less antenna gain.

Thanks @mlenhart! The antenna gain is symmetric for send and receive. It will be better - but will it be significant?

@antonsb - looking forward to it!

LHG to wAP
Currently working at about 800 meters with 1.2 Gbps+ throughput
Full speed a bit under 700 meters. Distance depends on altitude and humidity levels.

@800m 1.2Gbps is this total throughput (i.e. 600mbps fullduplex)?

Yes, this is total throughput (TX+RX)

@antonsb - those numbers are great. What range would you expect we can get 200Mbps (TX+RX)?

@antonsb: thanks for sharing the info. Would it be possible to create a chart with achieved speeds, let’s say with 50 meters step? So anyone can have an idea what are achievable speeds with regards to distance.
Thank you.

not exactly with 50m step, but may be helpful:

Distance, wAP RSSI, LHG60 RSSI, Throughput

  • 300 m -63 -68 1.8Gbps+


  • 500 m -63 -67 1.8Gbps+


  • 700 m -66 -68 1.5Gbps


  • 800 m -68 -69 1.2Gbps


  • 850 m -68 -69 800Mbps


  • 900 m -70 -72 Less than 100Mbps

Thats fantastic. Thanks @antonsb

Hey @antonsb

What output power were you running with that test?
Just curious as the UK EIRP if i read right is 85dBm / 55dbW

Also whilst i have your attention, what is the Gain of the LHG G60 and perhaps a Polar Plot as well?

Cheers!

Please in the future make sure you clearly specify these are UDP speeds and not real world TCP speeds that we all require!!! Its also misleading for MIkrotik to continue specifying UDP speeds and not clearly highlighting this!!! Very misleading!!! the LHG60 wire link is only just 600Mbps TCP aggregate throughput!!! change your misleading website information to clearly say “UDP 2Gbps aggregate” please please please this will improve Mikrotik’s integrity which is daily eroding!

There really is no difference between UDP and TCP speeds when you are running a link without firewalling.
It may be that you do not understand the specification, that is a different matter.
E.g. when it says “2 Gbps aggregate UDP speed” it clearly means (because the network connectors are 1 Gbps!!!)
that 1 Gbps can be transmitted in both directions simultaneously.
Similarly it can transport 2 Gbps TCP traffic but of course ONLY when there is traffic in both directions simulteneously!
So with a test tool that makes a single TCP connection and downloads OR uploads data over it, you will NOT be able
to achieve that speed. Because the network connectors are not able to feed that amount of data in one direction.
When you have connection tracking firewalling you may even not be able to achieve 1 Gbps using a single connection,
true. But when having multiple connections it could be possible. So you will have to do a proper test, or you should
just use the device in real life, where there is always a mix of many connections and data in both directions, and the
real capacity of the device is shown.