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Re: New IP cloud is coming.

Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:34 pm

Will it be available for x86 router soon?
 
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Re: New IP cloud is coming.

Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:35 pm

This was discussed in 6.43rc thread, but here is better place for it.

IMHO the cloud DDNS needs user-configurable option what protocol to use (IPv4 only, IPv6 only, both). Ideally with "both" as default, because if I have dualstack and IPv4 fails (perhaps by user mistake, which is more likely than real outage), IPv6 is very nice backup option (for some purposes at least).

Based on current description, only A record gets added for dualstack, and if IPv4 fails, user will sit and try hard to remember what the last IPv6 address was? It doesn't sound very good.

Ultimate solution would be support for multiple subdomains (for multi-WAN purposes) with suggested option available for each item. That way there could be A-only subdomain for e.g. OpenVPN server (to not slow down client trying AAAA; alternatively, you could add IPv6 support to OpenVPN, I wouldn't object) and another A/AAAA for administration. Well, it might get a little too complex, but it would be nice.

Another possibility, to keep it simple, automatic A-only and AAAA-only subdomains could be added by server (xxx.sn.mynetname.net with A/AAAA, ip4.xxx.sn.mynetname.net with A only, ip6.xxx.sn.mynetname.net with AAAA only) and user could use the right one for each intended purpose.
 
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Re: New IP cloud is coming.

Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:57 am

There are some not so clear scenarios. However, in your secnario if your IPv4 fails and router still has connectivity via IPv6 - in about 60 seconds router will register IPv6 address as cloud address and $host command will suddenly return IPv6 AAAA entry.

edit: I have some more scenarios in my head when I want this to work but it will not in the current state. We are working hard to resolve those.
 
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Re: New IP cloud is coming.

Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:29 am

It's nice to see a great feature being refined that bit more. I have noticed recently the "old" cloud is quite slow to respond so maybe this is the reason why?
I'd be lost without IP>Cloud for hairpin NAT scenarios on dynamic WAN IP's.
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Re: New IP cloud is coming.

Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:16 am

It looks like the old[stable] cloud implementation does not work for me anymore. (using v6.42.6 on routers)

After pressing force update in ip cloud settings (ddns enabled) it says request timed out.
Also "nslookup serialnr.sn.mynetname.net ns1.kissthenet.net" still shows the old address.

Your experiences?
 
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Re: New IP cloud is coming.

Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:51 pm

I am amazed by the amount of responses and effort from MT team for a set of 2 features that can easily be replaced by ntp and duckdns, both being better alternatives.
 
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Re: New IP cloud is coming.

Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:08 am

I dont care for the alternatives. I am HAPPY with ip-cloud. working from the start 100% for me.
Free dyndns per device. What more can u ask
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Re: New IP cloud is coming.

Sat Jul 28, 2018 2:16 pm

Indeed.

Even time precission is enough for coarse log analysis (did it happen this morning or a fortnight ago?). Anybody requiring "better" services are more than welcome to use alternatives.
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Re: New IP cloud is coming.

Sat Jul 28, 2018 2:24 pm

Free dyndns per device. What more can u ask
Well some sort of control and completely brand agnostic solution... Not to say there are hundreds of more important features requests than IP Cloud or Kids Control viewtopic.php?f=1&t=45934 to tackle first and clearly most of them cannot be replaced by a less than 10 lines script or by an existing component supporting an established standard !
 
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Re: New IP cloud is coming.

Sat Jul 28, 2018 2:28 pm

Actually this would put the mikrotik in the middleman role. It has to be considered as unsafe. I understand that some people do not care about it, but I rather build my own management network instead of rely on services that I cannot control and that can do whatever I do not know what above what they promote.
While you find some feature not so useful to yourself and relentlessly bash them - consider that there are other features made by RouterOS developer team that you are using. This one particular - IP-Cloud - is touted by you as very unsafe and understandably so - MikroTik hasn't disclosed information - but from time to time your posts look like just bashing.

Ona brighter note - there are new features in testing, new features in the development and one feature that just came out of testing and is included in new RC - IPv6 support.

this is what "IPv6 support" entails -
*) DNS requests via IPV6
*) IP-Cloud services (DDNS update, timezone) via IPv6
*) AAAA support for *.ns.mynetname.net domains

For now - there is only AAAA OR A entry support. Due to nature of RouterOS - if you have a dual-stack router and want the IP-Cloud address to be IPv6 you have to force it via /ip dns static entry - add cloud2.mikrotik.com with these IPv6 addresses 20a2:610:7501:4000::251 and 2a02:610:7501:1000::201
While you're doing this DNS stuff, is there any chance that conditional-forwarders might be added into the RouterOS DNS resolver? i.e. relay any requests for company.local to 192.168.1.1, for a branch office scenario?
 
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Re: New IP cloud is coming.

Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:20 pm

@carl0s: It's not really related to this, but yes, it would be nice. Every other DNS resolver supports it, and no, keeping another machine around only because of such simple feature is not good solution.
 
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Re: New IP cloud is coming.

Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:33 pm

coming to the router near you soon:
$ host <serial>.sn.mynetname.net
<serial>.sn.mynetname.net has address 192.168.88.1
<serial>.sn.mynetname.net has IPv6 address 2001:db8:1337:beef::ada
 
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Re: New IP cloud is coming.

Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:53 pm

Any plans to add wildcard hostnames support? I mean "firsthost.123456.sn.mynetname.net" . If not - why?
 
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Re: New IP cloud is coming.

Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:53 am

Please explain what that would solve? If you have several routers - they all are eligible for the IP Cloud address.

edit: If you have a company and want all routers under same "umbrella", then you can create CNAME entries in your local DNS server for your domain.
 
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Re: New IP cloud is coming.

Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:25 pm

coming to the router near you soon:
$ host <serial>.sn.mynetname.net
<serial>.sn.mynetname.net has address 192.168.88.1
<serial>.sn.mynetname.net has IPv6 address 2001:db8:1337:beef::ada

Suggestion : add an option in cloud service to add an extra personal prefix.

like "xyz" when user define personal prefix the name will became

xyz.<serial>.sn.mynetname.net

this make difficult for brute force detect all mikrotiks in the world and make difficult in case of new vulnerability to attack all .

Currently is easy to make a brute force search for mikrotik devices using the cloud service as the names follow an simple pattern and is just an DNS query.
 
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Re: New IP cloud is coming.

Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:16 am

Will it be available for x86 router soon?
I am also looking forward to have support in x86
 
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Re: New IP cloud is coming.

Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:49 am

Will it be available for x86 router soon?
I am also looking forward to have support in x86
I hear mumbles of CHR being available from 6.43 so there could quite possibly be x86 implementation.
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Re: New IP cloud is coming.

Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:22 am

Currently, there are no plans to bring it to the x86 platform.
 
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Re: New IP cloud is coming.

Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:55 pm

Currently is easy to make a brute force search for mikrotik devices using the cloud service as the names follow an simple pattern and is just an DNS query.
The serial number consists of 12 hexadecimal characters.
I wouldn't call making 184884258895036416 (12^16) dns lookups 'easy'.

It's easier to just use masscan and scan the whole IPv4 address space for open port 8291.

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