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Re: v6 RC and v7 BETA

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:06 pm
by gmsmstr
We all sit and wait :) hoping :)

Re: v6 RC and v7 BETA

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:24 am
by honzam
We all sit and wait :) hoping :)
And?

Re: v6 RC and v7 BETA

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:58 am
by zlobster
OK, please forgive my ignorance, but what are the main advantages for v7 over v6 that are expected to reach the final builds?

That's a serious question, not a troll attempt.

Re: v6 RC and v7 BETA

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:43 am
by vecernik87
To my knowledge, mostly people crave for better support of multithreaded routing (which was promised long time ago) and drivers (notice references to v7)
But generally, people are hyped more than players of Diablo before release of new version. Many of them expect every trouble will be magically fixed.

Re: v6 RC and v7 BETA

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:29 am
by Paternot
But generally, people are hyped more than players of Diablo before release of new version. Many of them expect every trouble will be magically fixed.
That got me laughing like a mad man. Thanks, I needed it! :D

Re: v6 RC and v7 BETA

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:16 am
by krisjanisj
...But generally, people are hyped more than players of Diablo before release of new version...
Unlike Blizzard we tend to keep our RouterOS working on same platforms as ROSv6 does (and release mobile app for ease of configuration not migrate the whole darn thing to a cheap mobile game ripoff since "Who doesn't have phones nowadays...").

Re: v6 RC and v7 BETA

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:28 pm
by vecernik87
Well, I was actually referring to time before Diablo 2 .. I guess its too old for people to remember today...

Re: v6 RC and v7 BETA

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:35 pm
by krisjanisj
Well, I was actually referring to time before Diablo 2 .. I guess its too old for people to remember today...
True, but isn't it way more funnier if the joke is relevant?

Re: v6 RC and v7 BETA

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:59 pm
by vecernik87
I must admit that you pointed out much more relevant interpretation. I am just afraid, if it ends up that way (e.g. dropping support to mipsbe/tile etc...) Therefore I am not sure if its funnier or scarier.

Re: v6 RC and v7 BETA

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:11 pm
by oreggin
Nah, please public a roadmap with public informations in a correct way. Under correct I mean correct for MTik and correct for customers too.
If I working on something my boss insist plans :) Please tell us MTik plans about RouterOS development.

Re: v6 RC and v7 BETA

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:43 pm
by Chupaka
MikroTik's plan is to release RouterOS v7 :)

"Probably this year" ™

Re: v6 RC and v7 BETA

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:48 pm
by cusco

Re: v6 RC and v7 BETA

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:56 pm
by oreggin
MikroTik's plan is to release RouterOS v7 :)

"Probably this year" ™
Are you sure?! :lol:

Re: v6 RC and v7 BETA

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:01 pm
by anthonws
Community driven features and minimal public roadmap is not something Mikrotik knows how to handle properly.

Since I recognize that roadmap/feature plans are difficult for the majority to "read" properly (i.e. understand that they might be (de)prioritized), at least the community driven feature requests comms could/should be improved...

Just look into how other companies are doing it:

https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Fea ... ost-kudoed
https://feedback.azure.com/forums/16940 ... -directory
https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/glo ... voice.html

I've seen numerous FR (highly voted) being made for over 5+ years with almost no follow-up or no reply at all.

As for roadmaps, there's still safe ways to share with limited impact. Example: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microso ... p?filters=

Hth,
anthonws.

Re: v6 RC and v7 BETA

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:13 pm
by Paternot
Well, I was actually referring to time before Diablo 2 .. I guess its too old for people to remember today...
I think the hype for Diablo3 was grater than Diablo2. Don't get me wrong: I have all 3 (should have learned with D2, and never bought D3, but I digress), and hated what they did with D2.

I miss my Tank Mage, in D1. I could get hand in hand with Diablo itself - on hell difficulty - and win. No, I didn't use cheats. A lot of potions, though. :D

Re: v6 RC and v7 BETA

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:14 pm
by Sob
@anthonws: MikroTik already has that... kind of. Description of this forum is "BETA Testing and Feature Suggestions for the next RouterOS release (ROS v7)", so you're welcome to post your ideas and people do so. Others comment on it to show their interest. Only the actual voting is missing. Oh and also MikroTik's interest, it seems. If there was voting, by now we'd have OpenVPN (*) on top with 10k votes and it would be sitting and waiting as it is now. So that's pointless.

(*) Actually, OpenVPN it not that important by itself. It's not THE killer feature and after such long time, anyone who needed it probably already found different ways how to satisfy their needs. It's more like a symbol now, even though it would still be nice to have.

Personally I'm a little bit skeptical about these "user voice" things. You have product used by millions and then decide what to implement based on hundereds or low thousands of votes. And you don't even know how many are from people who just came by and won't care a month after. Even from user perspective, nobody is going to browse through thousands of ideas to find good ones. You'll post yours, give few additional votes to some popular requests at the top that you also like and it will be most likely it. So how much these things can be trusted, that's a question.

Re: v6 RC and v7 BETA

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:50 pm
by bd0g
I really hope they use v4 kernel, but MIkrotik is still selling devices with 16MB of flash (WHYYYYYYY you do this?!!!!)... so it's not looking good.
The kernel version doesn't define its size... the recent kernels are big when precompiled becasue they do have more and more hardware and features integrated ; for such high perf/low latency application you go with custom build conf with only dependencies you need. There's no use having video, dvb, audio, tape drive, etc.

Re: v6 RC and v7 BETA

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:40 am
by anthonws
@anthonws: MikroTik already has that... kind of. Description of this forum is "BETA Testing and Feature Suggestions for the next RouterOS release (ROS v7)", so you're welcome to post your ideas and people do so. Others comment on it to show their interest. Only the actual voting is missing. Oh and also MikroTik's interest, it seems. If there was voting, by now we'd have OpenVPN (*) on top with 10k votes and it would be sitting and waiting as it is now. So that's pointless.

(*) Actually, OpenVPN it not that important by itself. It's not THE killer feature and after such long time, anyone who needed it probably already found different ways how to satisfy their needs. It's more like a symbol now, even though it would still be nice to have.

Personally I'm a little bit skeptical about these "user voice" things. You have product used by millions and then decide what to implement based on hundereds or low thousands of votes. And you don't even know how many are from people who just came by and won't care a month after. Even from user perspective, nobody is going to browse through thousands of ideas to find good ones. You'll post yours, give few additional votes to some popular requests at the top that you also like and it will be most likely it. So how much these things can be trusted, that's a question.
What's available today is not close to any proper customer engagement. Like you stated, I can go there, ask for a feature, and have millions of people go "+1" without changing anything. Not even a mere reflection of a decision from Mikrotik. Even if it's "Will not be implemented".

I work in a company where everything related to User engagement is vital for the development of our products. We actively scout and research what and where to invest next based on multiple indicators, including platforms like UserVoice! It's thanks to them that our customers (the broader market) feels closer to the decisions being made and also that they are heard. Without the need to be a S400 and have strategic (direct) relation ships with our product teams.

If OpenVPN will never be implemented, then someone should officially state it and make sure that information sits in a place where's visible and related to the FR.

My 2 cents,
anthonws.

Re: v6 RC and v7 BETA

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:30 am
by Sob
They probably have other methods, feedback from distributors, people contacting support, MUM participants, ... so they probably know well what customers want. Being more open about their plans, and generally making customers feel closer to developement and heard, that's surely something they could improve.

Re: v6 RC and v7 BETA

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:03 pm
by anthonws
They probably have other methods, feedback from distributors, people contacting support, MUM participants, ... so they probably know well what customers want. Being more open about their plans, and generally making customers feel closer to developement and heard, that's surely something they could improve.
Not neglecting those methods of customer feedback and closer engagement.
But like you just mentioned, I also agree that Mikrotik could be a bit more transparent and/or engaged with the community on the future of the OS.
The more I think about it, the more I agree that ROS should support a plugin framework or alike.

Re: v6 RC and v7 BETA

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:50 pm
by StNick
OK, please forgive my ignorance, but what are the main advantages for v7 over v6 that are expected to reach the final builds?

That's a serious question, not a troll attempt.
Personally, I'm hoping for proper IKEv2/IPSEC or OpenVPN support so that I can connect to NordVPN.

Re: v6 RC and v7 BETA

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:50 am
by mrz
Please clarify what is "proper IKEv2/IPSEC"?

Re: v6 RC and v7 BETA

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:36 pm
by eworm
Please clarify what is "proper IKEv2/IPSEC"?
Probably asking for EAP authentication as initiator, which is not possible for IKEv2 atm.

Re: v6 RC and v7 BETA

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:19 am
by aoakeley
Any news about date of release Ros v7?
Maybe Christmas gift
Christmas in July?

Re: v6 RC and v7 BETA

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:57 am
by mkx
Any news about date of release Ros v7?
Maybe Christmas gift
Christmas in July?
Two things:
  1. Who said there will be news in July?
    1. July is synonym for summer for many people.
    2. for quite a few people, Christmas happens in the middle of summer (southern hemisphere)
  2. I wouldn't mind some positive news about ROS v7, no matter what date

Re: v6 RC and v7 BETA

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:20 am
by mfr476
We have a Big MUM today. I Hope news

Re: v6 RC and v7 BETA

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:47 am
by oreggin
I configured IPSec on one of my RoS devs, and that said don't configure base mode because it will removed in RoSv7 so something is cooking in the owen and i hope it wont burned up :)