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802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:48 am

I'm aware that there are products now available using Wave 2 chipsets; hAP AC2, cAP AC, RB4011. However, does anyone know if the MU-MIMO functions or beamforming are currently supported and functioning in routerOS? And what I'm even more interested in is in the devices that are only 2x2 MIMO, is there any gain in transmissions with MU-MIMO when transmitting to other 2x2 devices, or is it virtually identical to performance on non MU-MIMO devices?
 
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:47 am

I'm aware that there are products now available using Wave 2 chipsets; hAP AC2, cAP AC, RB4011. However, does anyone know if the MU-MIMO functions or beamforming are currently supported and functioning in routerOS? And what I'm even more interested in is in the devices that are only 2x2 MIMO, is there any gain in transmissions with MU-MIMO when transmitting to other 2x2 devices, or is it virtually identical to performance on non MU-MIMO devices?
Mikrotiks Wireless Driver that is done by there own, is missing all Wave2 features and in the past it lost mich of function, what was available for 802.11n

- they don’t benefit with new Chipsets
- speed with Wave 2 Chipsets is worse than older ac Hardware
- they incompatible to some Intel and Apple devices

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1. wait for Christmas
2. Buy something else
 
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:53 am

- they incompatible to some Intel and Apple devices
Not true, new betas fix the issue with Apple and the issue is with Apple new driver, not RouterOS driver.
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:50 pm

- they incompatible to some Intel and Apple devices
Not true, new betas fix the issue with Apple and the issue is with Apple new driver, not RouterOS driver.
Ok, the apple is solved. And the rest?
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:24 pm

You are right, that MikroTik made wireless driver doesn't have Wave2 support, so new chipset benefits are not there. We are working on a new driver.
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:59 pm

You are right, that MikroTik made wireless driver doesn't have Wave2 support, so new chipset benefits are not there. We are working on a new driver.
Will the new driver appear in version 6.X or do we need to wait for the legendary version 7?
 
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:02 pm

You are right, that MikroTik made wireless driver doesn't have Wave2 support, so new chipset benefits are not there. We are working on a new driver.
Will the new driver appear in version 6.X or do we need to wait for the legendary version 7?
I have the same question
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:24 pm

V7 will fix all issues Release date TBD

My RB4011 is performing well but nothing like the Wave2 stuff from other manufacturers.

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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:06 pm

You are right, that MikroTik made wireless driver doesn't have Wave2 support, so new chipset benefits are not there. We are working on a new driver.
Normis,

Do you have any kind of estimate on when we could expect the new driver with support for Wave 2? We are looking at doing a large project, and choice of hardware is going to weigh heavily on whether these features are (or will be soon) present.

To the other folks, whether you feel it's deserved or not, snide comments about v7 are not going to get you results. Please be respectful.
 
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:13 pm

- they incompatible to some Intel and Apple devices
Not true, new betas fix the issue with Apple and the issue is with Apple new driver, not RouterOS driver.
I have done picture with HP Laptop and 4011 still 54MBit, IPhone connects with full speed, not solved in actual Beta!
 
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:49 pm

Do you have any kind of estimate on when we could expect the new driver with support for Wave 2? We are looking at doing a large project, and choice of hardware is going to weigh heavily on whether these features are (or will be soon) present.
Well, I live in a world of public tender. Public institutions are advised by some "vicarious agent" who are heavily influenced about what they sell. The consultants usually get 10% of the money the winner of the tender charges for its solution. So guess what those so "neutral consultants" write in their tender documents?

Of course: They don´t say vendor C, A, E, or H. But they directly get the prefilled tender documents right from the sales agents of the vendors. They copy whole parts, sometimes from vendor C for tender 1. For the tender afterwards they take the text from A, then perhaps from A, or sometimes from H.

Those people have never heard about M. If you look at the tender documents you´ll find the usual basic requirements, i.e. they want "wave 2", they want "beamforming"; even if they don´t know what this actual does. So, what I like to see is that MikroTik recruit some programmers to get those features up and running as this will simply maximize your revenue.
 
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:07 am

- they incompatible to some Intel and Apple devices
Not true, new betas fix the issue with Apple and the issue is with Apple new driver, not RouterOS driver.
I have done picture with HP Laptop and 4011 still 54MBit, IPhone connects with full speed, not solved in actual Beta!
have you checked the changelog?
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:11 am

- they incompatible to some Intel and Apple devices
Not true, new betas fix the issue with Apple and the issue is with Apple new driver, not RouterOS driver.
I have done picture with HP Laptop and 4011 still 54MBit, IPhone connects with full speed, not solved in actual Beta!
have you checked the changelog?
If there is something done for iPhone (i have an older one) it is not on Changelog:

*) wireless - added new "installation" parameter to specify router's location;
*) wireless - improved signal strength at low TX power on LHG 5 ac, LHG 5 ac XL and LDF 5 ac ("/system routerboard upgrade" required);
*) wireless - improved system stability for all ARM devices with wireless;
*) wireless - removed G/N support for 2484MHz in "japan" regulatory domain;
*) wireless - report last seen IP address in RADIUS accounting messages;
*) wireless - show indoor/outdoor frequency limitations under "/interface wireless info country-info " command;

But bigger Problem is Intel Hardware. A new Wave 2 Router and it is impossible to deliver more then 20Mbit real TCP to an new Laptop..... @5Ghz,
 
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:48 am

Exactly my point. The beta with iPhone fixes is not public yet. Please wait a little bit. it's being released today
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:07 pm

Even planning for the same day seems impossible for mikrotik.......
Exactly my point. The beta with iPhone fixes is not public yet. Please wait a little bit. it's being released today
 
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:24 pm

Don't be so harsh. Issues come up in development, in life, ...
 
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:26 pm

The beta with iPhone fixes is not public yet. Please wait a little bit. it's being released today.

Thank you Normis. If you guys could a write up on what the juicy details were, that would be great.
 
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:43 pm

Exactly my point. The beta with iPhone fixes is not public yet. Please wait a little bit. it's being released today
Normis,

Seems this thread is getting away from the original topic...

That being said, did you have any details on when we could expect a new wireless driver in rOS?
 
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:03 pm

Anything new? I was at MUM, but I did not noticed anything about this...

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