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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:12 pm

Just came here to update this 10 years old thread and to ask for a serious support of 17 years old widely used vpn...
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:03 am

+1 for UDP tunnels Por favar.

I dont want to wait anymore !
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Mon Dec 24, 2018 6:07 pm

We are almost in 2019 and still no UDP support.
Shame on you :?

Would be great if we could get it and also not only sha1 and md5 for auth :)


Keep looking forward to this!
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:32 am

In a similar situation (which involved only us and 1 other party) I was successful in convincing them that only offering OpenVPN and not IPsec, L2TP/IPsec or similar was not very flexible.
What options does Mikrotik have for a UDP (or at least not TCP) based secure connection that I could use to tunnel an EoIP connection?
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:04 am

L2TP/IPsec, GRE/IPsec, IPIP/IPsec, plain IPsec transport.
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:23 pm

NordVPN says no. RouterOS is getting outdated.
RB760iGS (hEX S) with the SFP being cooled.
Running:
RouterOS 6.45Beta / Winbox 3.18 / MikroTik APP 1.1.10
Having an Android device, use https://github.com/M66B/NetGuard/releases (no root required)
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:30 pm

NordVPN says no. RouterOS is getting outdated.
Implementing such services on a router is silly. You should implement it on your end device so the entire path is protected.

Furthermore, when today's protocol enforced by something like NordVPN would be implemented by MikroTik, tomorrow they
will switch to another protocol that appears to be better at that time. Look, people are already requesting Wireguard
and unimplemented IKEv2 options. It is just not possible to satisfy everyone in a commercial closed-source router.
Either get some open box that you can tinker yourself, or do it on the endpoint (PC, phone, etc).

MikroTik could include an extension possibility in the form of a "MetaROUTER light" that allows the user to run processes that
implement network functions like exotic VPNs, special DNS servers, etc.
I have suggested it before but there is total lack of response, so apparently total lack of interest.
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:33 pm

hi, I wanted to know if mikrotik intends to implement the protocol udp and security sha 256 on its openvpn.
Thank you
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:46 pm

hi, I wanted to know if mikrotik intends to implement the protocol udp
It's implemented already, just wait for the release :)
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Wed Jan 02, 2019 1:18 pm

perfetc
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:20 pm

just to know, do you know an approximate release date? I would not wait all 2019 ...
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:53 pm

just to know, do you know an approximate release date? I would not wait all 2019 ...
in a far future :lol:
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:31 am

just to know, do you know an approximate release date? I would not wait all 2019 ...
Maybe @normis can say a date, will it be before 2020?
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:24 am

let's not joke guys, we hope in a very short time that solve this gap
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:52 pm

I bet 2022 by then everything will be obsolete.
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:38 pm

+1 for udp support for ovpn
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:10 am

Thank for bringing up a thread more than a year old.

The answer was clear - We will not make new OpenVPN features.
Noooooooooo.....
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:16 am

If you really need those features at the moment. Run openwrt image in metarouter and run ovpn from there with full feature set.
A-HA! :D
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:44 pm

Introducing AWS Client VPN to Securely Access AWS and On-Premises Resources
AWS Client VPN is a new managed service that provides you with the ability to securely access your AWS and on-premises networks from anywhere, using OpenVPN-based clients.
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:22 am

Does it require UDP? Can't find anything about that.
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:46 pm

https://youtu.be/qmKkbuS9gRs

TCP or UDP is being mentioned in the second part of the video

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oh and: https://docs.aws.amazon.com/vpn/latest/ ... oints.html

(Optional) By default, the Client VPN server uses the UDP transport protocol. To use the TCP transport protocol instead, for Transport Protocol, select TCP.
Note: UDP typically offers better performance than TCP.
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:33 pm

Chupaka,

Yes, it should work with TCP too.

From he other side it works with:
- Active Directory authentication
- Certificate authentication

AWS VPN client was mentioned mostly to mention that this technology is used and maybe MIkrotik team will be able to pay attention to it.
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:54 pm

In response to the openvpn teaser......

Its a promise for your grand children. 6.43.13, 6.43.14, 6.43.15.................................... 6.43.aa, 6.43.ab, 6.43.ac...........................................
6.44.1, ........6.44.aa
6.45.1,...........6.45.aa

zzzzzzzzz 15 minutes......... more like 15 years LOL.
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:22 pm

I've been patiently waiting for 2 years. I might have better luck trying to convince my VPN provider to make a less secure connection just for mikrotik routers
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:55 pm

Does anyone here used successfull the OpenVPN with www.privatetunnel.com/
I´m struggling to make it work, but it doenst work...
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:22 am

+1 for the UDP

And the silly duplicate package error is terribly annoying don't know why it isn't addressed.
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:48 pm

Hi:
I just wont wait for Mikrotik no more.
Bought a ASUS RT-AX88U 186€ 200Mbits openvpn no cpu usage
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:33 pm

Why is everyone upset? It's all fixed in v7
 
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:20 pm

You should not continue waiting for something that may very well never happen.
As a general principle, when you buy some piece of equipment, from a core router down to your connected light bulb, buy it for what it's embedded software can *currently* do, not for feature XYZ that the seller tells you will be implemented in a future version. If you do the latter, you take the risk that XYZ will not be available over the whole replacement cycle of your hardware...
If that feature is vital for you, then either defer your procurement, get a contractual commitment that you will get it at a planned date, look for an alternative, or - if you have access to the necessary skills - find something that is open enough that you can go the open source route.

I maintain or have installed a couple of OpenVPN setups, and I have stopped years ago trying to terminate the VPNs on the router. I use mikrotik hardware for what they are great : simple, efficient routing, lots of interfaces, and a low price. RouterOS implementation of OpenVPN is deficient at best, so just stay away from it. My usual setup is a Pcengines' APU, attached to one or more of the interfaces of the router and running the open source version of OpenVPN on a current linux distribution. It comes with the latest features, like UDP (just joking...), offers all the configuration options that ROS lacks, and is easy to keep current. Besides, I can script the way I authenticate users, based on any kind of directory, which is much more flexible than ROS' users management.
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:14 am

aszody, it is ok if you have $100-toy used as vpn gate but that means additionl power consumption, additional loss of speed, additional problems with routing especially when you have another l2tp/ipsec vpn tunels to other offices and l2tp should not be inside openvpn.
If product has openvpn protocol in its spec than there should be working implementation of this protocol.
Or there should not be any mention of openvpn in specs because its not openvpn, its some strange "mikrotik vpn" but not openvpn.

By the way, are there any news about openvpn standard implementation? NordVPN does not support mikrotik routers nowadays (as almost all other vpn providers), and openvpn became the standard for vpn protocols.

It is very sad that there is no news at all about this problem. Maybe the current OS can not get the implementation of openvpn because of some economical issues or pricing? Tell us please what is the problem? I do not beleave that you could not create normal openvpn implementation because 10 years is, to my mind, enought to create anything and even a space rocket or Tesla.
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:57 am

They are strategically waiting until OpenVPN becomes obsolete, to avoid implementing it in full. It will happen eventually, something better will come up, e.g. there currently seems to be big hype behind WireGuard and some see it as future OpenVPN killer. RouterOS has currently zero support for that, but it can change if it catches up, especially if it's easier to implement than OpenVPN. And I remember that OpenVPN being too complicated was a reason given it the past, why they stopped with tcp and don't want to touch it anymore. Supposedly, they already implemented udp support since then, but there must still be some problem, otherwise they would have released it already.
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:55 am

WG is making it soon into the kernel:
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page= ... ot-In-4.20

Mtik first have to update the kernel though or run a version that supports WG module.
Just forget about OpenVPN and go straight to WG guys!
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:58 pm

And I remember that OpenVPN being too complicated was a reason given it the past, why they stopped with tcp and don't want to touch it anymore.
The issue is that they re-wrote an OpenVPN implementation instead of just taking the OpenVPN code that everyone uses, and now the original code is being extended all the time and it would be complicated to follow that.
RouterOS contains a lot of code that was directly copied from an opensource product and then modified, but OpenVPN seems to be a different case.
There likely are licensing issues with just taking openvpn and put it in your own router product, I have seen other cases where OpenVPN was first supported and then suddenly gone in a firmware update.

New kernel will be in version 7. We all know how that goes.
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:31 am

So, In that case we have to wait until v7 es stable.

Can I know if route-push feature will be implementrd in OVPN in v7?
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Thu May 02, 2019 5:18 am

I am from the future (2040) - UDP is still not implemented.
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Thu May 02, 2019 10:28 am

You must be from alternate future.
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Mon May 06, 2019 9:33 am

You must be from alternate future.
Go ahead and prove him wrong please.
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Wed May 08, 2019 2:33 am

This is getting to a point of being just plain pathetic...

Just forget about UDP and/or LZO...

Just make a decision, and if possible, fast!

#1 Adopt OVPN from source (not this crippled implementation)
#2 Adopt WireGuard (it's more than a "standard" now)

Oh, and provide timelines for this please.
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Wed May 08, 2019 10:14 am


Go ahead and prove him wrong please.
No problem, just wait for 2040
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Sun May 12, 2019 9:29 am

Been wait OpenVPN + UDP + LZO for at least 4 years. A lot of VPN service provider just stop providing other connection type except OpenVPN.

This is getting to a point that I have to move away from Mikrotik router because this is becoming a deal breaker.


I mean...just look at this

https://nordvpn.com/tutorials/

every major router support OpenVPN + UDP + LZO except....routerOS
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Sun May 12, 2019 6:52 pm

@sdugoten: If it goes well, soon you may have some luck with NordVPN and IKEv2 (see here). Not that it would be an argument against full OpenVPN support.
 
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Mon May 13, 2019 11:10 am

@sdugoten: If it goes well, soon you may have some luck with NordVPN and IKEv2 (see here). Not that it would be an argument against full OpenVPN support.
To be honest, IKEv2 is not as popular as OpenVPN. It's a bit too late.

RouterOS in general is late.

Having said that, I started to move my stuff to pfsense. pfsense just provide more functionalities that is commonly used in the public. And it's stable because it's build on top of FreeBSD. It also comes with Web interface that do most complex home networking stuff like policy base routing over VPN via their GUI. OpenVPN UDP is supported for MANY years already with AES-NI acceleration support, and Wireguard VPN is already coming on the way to pfsense. I mean..OpenVPN UDP takes Mikrotik 11+ years to analyze and have yet implement, which this function is so COMMONLY use out there, let's imagine how long you will see Wireguard VPN. I won't even think about AES acceleration support for those cpu that support it....because I don't see Mikrotik would even have time for that. This thread start in year 2008 and it is such a popular feature since 2012, this is no excuse.

I just stop waiting and move on.
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Mon May 13, 2019 1:28 pm

I'm going to stick around for more 9 years at least. 11 years is not enough time to age properly a piece of software.

To me, software has to be distilled for a minimum of 20 years!

No one better than Mikrotik knows how to do this properly!!

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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Mon May 13, 2019 5:39 pm

To be honest, IKEv2 is not as popular as OpenVPN. It's a bit too late.

RouterOS in general is late.
Please give a list of commercial router manufacturers that do support OpenVPN in their products and which have a level of support that is adequate.
(not opensource projects like OpenWRT or Pihole, actual manufacturers like MikroTik, Cisco, Juniper, Netgear, ZyXel, Draytek etc)
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Mon May 13, 2019 10:19 pm

To be honest, IKEv2 is not as popular as OpenVPN. It's a bit too late.

RouterOS in general is late.
Please give a list of commercial router manufacturers that do support OpenVPN in their products and which have a level of support that is adequate.
(not opensource projects like OpenWRT or Pihole, actual manufacturers like MikroTik, Cisco, Juniper, Netgear, ZyXel, Draytek etc)
It's easy ... For example ZyXEL Keenetic: https://help.keenetic.com/hc/en-us/arti ... VPN-client
TpLink: https://www.tp-link.com/en/support/faq/1544/

request to Google "<vendor> openvpn" gives a lot of articles. Only if <vendor> != mikrotik...
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Tue May 14, 2019 10:53 am

I think you'll have to agree that the majority of routers do not support OpenVPN, you may be able to find the odd product that does, but not like client and server across the entire product line of the manufacture, which MikroTik does offer.
The problem with OpenVPN on RouterOS is that it is a re-created implementation that was not further developed once it was "working", and the real OpenVPN product was.
So the MikroTik version became more and more incomplete.

But it is not like OpenVPN is the lingua franca of VPN that everyone supports except MikroTik, and MikroTik is behind for not having it.
You will find many many more routers that do IPsec than OpenVPN.

And there likely is a reason for not using the opensource version. Some time ago I bought a Draytek router and its specs leaflet included OpenVPN.
"nice", I thought, I may be able to use that.
But first thing I did was to bring the firmware to the updated version, and OpenVPN was gone! Not to be found anymore! later it was deleted from the specs leaflet too.
Why? We can only guess...
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Tue May 14, 2019 6:31 pm

I think you'll have to agree that the majority of routers do not support OpenVPN, you may be able to find the odd product that does, but not like client and server across the entire product line of the manufacture, which MikroTik does offer.
The problem with OpenVPN on RouterOS is that it is a re-created implementation that was not further developed once it was "working", and the real OpenVPN product was.
So the MikroTik version became more and more incomplete.

But it is not like OpenVPN is the lingua franca of VPN that everyone supports except MikroTik, and MikroTik is behind for not having it.
You will find many many more routers that do IPsec than OpenVPN.

And there likely is a reason for not using the opensource version. Some time ago I bought a Draytek router and its specs leaflet included OpenVPN.
"nice", I thought, I may be able to use that.
But first thing I did was to bring the firmware to the updated version, and OpenVPN was gone! Not to be found anymore! later it was deleted from the specs leaflet too.
Why? We can only guess...


I think you should look into the router brand that is for home networking, like Asus, DLink, Netgear, TP-Link...etc . Just so let you know, one way or the other, either stock firmware or DDWRT already support numerous VPN connection method including but not limited to OpenVPN UDP Lzo. On top of that, most home network function including stuff like DDNS on numerous platform, policy base routing, VPN client and VPN server , fiilter rules, NAT rules, switched port are all included. What else function you need besides these for home networking?

You want something more powerful? Edgerouter and Netgate router all comes with all the listed feature + all the stuff from RouterOS. Performance wise, whatever router that you buy after 2017 should reach NAT 1000Mbps no problem. These kind of performance is more than most people needed.

I mean...you really need to take a look what other brand is offering in 2019. You just need to take a look Netgate router with pfsense and see what function they offer.
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Tue May 14, 2019 8:29 pm

I think you should look into the router brand that is for home networking
Well, I not really am into home networking...
When I use VPN, I use it in the traditional way. To connect two networks over a tunnel across internet.
IPsec is normally fine for that.

And again, undoubtedly many open source projects use and support OpenVPN, I have an OpenVPN server running on a Linux box.
However, that is not what I consider "supported by a router manufacturer".
I don't see OpenVPN support in native firmware for brandname network routers like Cisco, Juniper, etc, and for "home routers" it also
appears to be more an exception than the rule.
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Tue May 14, 2019 10:31 pm

Look at it from historical perspective. Static VPNs between two networks didn't have problems, simple IPSec could do the job. But the real fun was road-warrior VPN, i.e. connecting from all kinds of unpredictable networks. PPTP wasn't great with NAT, IPSec neither and L2TP was paired with IPSec, so same thing. Then there were other problems like routes, if you wanted to tunnel only some subnets (and no, road-warriors and BGP don't go well together ;)). Then came OpenVPN and it was like miracle, it needed only a single port to work, didn't care how much NATs are in the way, pushing routes from server was possible, ... everything a road-warrior VPN user could wish for. Maybe the big ones like Cisco weren't excited, because their target group was elsewhere, but the small users were and OpenVPN became standard for them.
 
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Re: Feature Request: OpenVPN [ovpn] udp tunnels

Wed May 15, 2019 6:13 pm

I think you should look into the router brand that is for home networking
Well, I not really am into home networking...
When I use VPN, I use it in the traditional way. To connect two networks over a tunnel across internet.
IPsec is normally fine for that.

And again, undoubtedly many open source projects use and support OpenVPN, I have an OpenVPN server running on a Linux box.
However, that is not what I consider "supported by a router manufacturer".
I don't see OpenVPN support in native firmware for brandname network routers like Cisco, Juniper, etc, and for "home routers" it also
appears to be more an exception than the rule.


you can check out all ASUS routers. They obviously not an "odd product" . Asus is one of the top brand for router in 2019 if you google it. Their stock firmware by default comes with all those features (policy base routing, opevpn/pptp/l2tp server and client) + mesh network as standard feature for router newer than 2017. If you look other home networking router forum, ASUS is pretty much the "standard" for home user. The other one is Edgerouter. Stock firmware comes with those feature already as well. Edgerouter is also one of the main competitor for Mikrotik in home networking and small office networking area. https://www.snbforums.com/threads/edger ... 011.54442/

If you look at viewforum.php?f=13 , just by looking at their question and the scale they describe, you should realize that a lot of users use routeros for home networking. Unlike Cisco or juniper, their target is 100% on business. Home networking users contribute a pretty big user base. Mikrotik ignoring a big percentage of their user base seems a bit weird to me. For other major router discussion forum like this one, https://www.snbforums.com/forums/routers.7/ , Asus, Edgerouter, Mikrotik are the main one used by home networking users.

About 10 years ago, Mikrotik was the king for home networking. It had features that none of the home router brand had back then. That's why I bought my first Mikrotik router, Routerboard 800, which was a home networking grade router back then. However, other brand started to catch up in recent years as I mentioned in my last post. Some of those brands even have more features than Mikrotik, including both home networking and business networking area due to a much larger user base and support from the community.

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