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Re: NAT64 and DNS64

Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 12:27 am
by dssmiktik
For software requests, here is the current wiki page:
http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/MikroTik_ ... e_Requests

Re: NAT64 and DNS64

Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:00 pm
by daffster
Good Point.

I see its on that page too. I've added my name to the list.

Re: NAT64 and DNS64

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:05 pm
by Paxy
I am fully supporting idea of NAT64.
Until dual stack is active, administrator will keep forcing IPv4 due its simplicity and short form of ip address that is easy to remember.
Only way to accelerate improvement process by transferring completely to IPv6 is to transfer small networks and become prepared for WAN IPv6 transfer.

We would not be ready do deploy IPv6 until we give up IPv4. This is legacy rule !

Re: NAT64 and DNS64

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 10:46 pm
by bevhost
HI, Just returned from the IPv6 Forum Conference in Melbourne, Australia and the current advice is.

Dual Stack where you can.
Tunnel where you can't
Use NAT if you have a gun to your head.

Re: NAT64 and DNS64

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:23 pm
by Beccara
What conference was that? Most SIG's are saying Translation like NAT64 is the best path since Dual-Stack only works when you have v4 space left to hand out, then its onto Dual-Stack with NAT444 on the v4 side which as you've pointed out - Would need a gun to your head

Re: NAT64 and DNS64

Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 3:27 am
by bevhost
I would think that NAT444 + Dual Stack would work much better than NAT64/DNS64.
If you would need a gun to your head to do NAT444 then you'll need an even bigger gun to do NAT64.

If you think NAT64 will solve any of your problems think again.
Heaps of stuff doesn't work with NAT64.
About the only thing broken with NAT444 is UPnP, and that can be resolved with Manual Port Forwarding.

Re: NAT64 and DNS64

Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 3:37 am
by Beccara
Do you really think manual port forwarding at the ISP level is ever going to work?? I doubt we'll see NAT64 in ROS but the big players are deploying it, It will likely end up another transition step after large scale ISP's find that NAT444 is just not worth the hassle.

Have you actually used NAT64 before? Its quite nice, There is a liveCD floating around, Very fun turning off v4 on your computer and having everything keep working :)

Re: NAT64 and DNS64

Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 4:08 am
by bevhost
Do you really think manual port forwarding at the ISP level is ever going to work?? I doubt we'll see NAT64 in ROS but the big players are deploying it, It will likely end up another transition step after large scale ISP's find that NAT444 is just not worth the hassle.

Have you actually used NAT64 before? Its quite nice, There is a liveCD floating around, Very fun turning off v4 on your computer and having everything keep working :)
Did you try it with Windows XP? Mac OS X?

When you say everything keeps working? What did you test? I'm sure outbound connections would work but what about P2P applications?
Skype?
What about http://66.102.11.104/
Or inbound connections can you remote desktop to an XP computer through NAT64?
How do inbound connections work from the IPv4 Internet?

Re: NAT64 and DNS64

Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 4:15 am
by bevhost
I can see some benefit of NAT64 for some of the Mobile phone providers in countries like India and China that are turning on new mobile devices at a staggering rate. Some newer mobile devices do support IPv6 quite well and they need access to legacy web servers on IPv4 and that is a good reason to use NAT64, so yes I agree the big players will role it out, but I doubt they will use RouterOS.

Re: NAT64 and DNS64

Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 5:19 am
by Beccara
Do you really think manual port forwarding at the ISP level is ever going to work?? I doubt we'll see NAT64 in ROS but the big players are deploying it, It will likely end up another transition step after large scale ISP's find that NAT444 is just not worth the hassle.

Have you actually used NAT64 before? Its quite nice, There is a liveCD floating around, Very fun turning off v4 on your computer and having everything keep working :)
Did you try it with Windows XP? Mac OS X?

When you say everything keeps working? What did you test? I'm sure outbound connections would work but what about P2P applications?
Skype?
What about http://66.102.11.104/
Or inbound connections can you remote desktop to an XP computer through NAT64?
How do inbound connections work from the IPv4 Internet?
Web browsing worked fine, never ran into an issue. Skype worked for voice but I didnt try video (Never had a need) Existing NAT-busting methods used in alot of software works fine but will run into issues in a NAT444 setup. SIP and FTP had issues due to IP info carried inside the application level data. Some form of ALG ala NAT-PT will help with this

NAT444 is already in place by a lot of MT users, I believe our resident forum troll here doesnt supply his clients with a public v4 so ROS demand for it will be low. The skill needed to put in place and debug something as complex as NAT64 will rule out most ROS users. I really dont think it will be worth MT's time to put something like this in place, NAT64 is a small bridge for those of us who will deploy v6 before the crunch, NAT444 will be clung onto by users who dont know how or who wont deploy v6

Re: NAT64 and DNS64

Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 5:39 am
by bevhost
Web browsing worked fine, never ran into an issue. Skype worked for voice but I didnt try video (Never had a need) Existing NAT-busting methods used in alot of software works fine but will run into issues in a NAT444 setup. SIP and FTP had issues due to IP info carried inside the application level data. Some form of ALG ala NAT-PT will help with this
Sorry to keep on about this, but what OS did you try this on?

Re: NAT64 and DNS64

Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 5:49 am
by Beccara
XP SP3

Re: NAT64 and DNS64

Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:54 am
by macgaiver
If i may jump into conversation.
From what i notices MikroTik really loves when feature description is set in stone - so there are actual "Internet Standard".

From what i was able to find on this topic is:

a) http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-bagnulo- ... t64-03.txt
"This Internet-Draft will expire on September 8, 2009"

b) http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-b ... tateful-00
"This Internet-Draft will expire on January 5, 2010"

So, it is not even "Proposed Standard" not talking about "Draft Standard" and "Internet Standard"...

IF i'm missing something, please, provide me proper links :)

Re: NAT64 and DNS64

Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 2:09 pm
by bevhost
There is a liveCD floating around
Ok, so I found the CD, downloaded it, had a play. Read the specs.,

It's really only designed to allow IP6 only clients to access IPv4 legacy servers.
It's not meant for Ipv4 to Ipv6 connections and not designed to do P2P applications.

It might allow for Hole Punching in the way that firewalls allow reverse connections in RELATED state, but that's all.

So once they get the ALG's written, it will catch up to where NAT44 is now and you'll be able to move on from Dual Stack to IPv6 Only Stack.

Re: NAT64 and DNS64

Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:51 pm
by Beccara
Its PoC code, Meant as a simple demo. I'm not even sure the linux code is being actively worked on. Anyway this topic is pointless as MT will never put something like NAT64 into ROS and alot of people around here already do NAT444.

Re: NAT64 and DNS64

Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 8:29 pm
by eduardomazolini
If i may jump into conversation.
From what i notices MikroTik really loves when feature description is set in stone - so there are actual "Internet Standard".

From what i was able to find on this topic is:

a) http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-bagnulo- ... t64-03.txt
"This Internet-Draft will expire on September 8, 2009"

b) http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-b ... tateful-00

"This Internet-Draft will expire on January 5, 2010"

So, it is not even "Proposed Standard" not talking about "Draft Standard" and "Internet Standard"...

IF i'm missing something, please, provide me proper links :)
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6146

Re: NAT64 and DNS64

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 1:09 am
by Zorro
aside NAT64 relevant things - 6877 https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6877 was apprently common as say wiukd 6rd, DS, DS-lite or other things from that list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6_tran ... mechanisms
(in which - ANY thing make sense and important).
from proprietary stuff among it perhaps MAP by CISCO was imprtant(rest, including ommited from article - not so much, perhaps. or even known at all).
fron "unemplemented yet" not finalised things i personally would care about IPv6 to IPv6 NAT(some would say "it make no sense", but sadly it is. already :(

Re: NAT64 and DNS64

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:52 am
by andersonlich
v6 should be end to end connection. But if mikrotik released this feature that should be +10.

Re: NAT64 and DNS64

Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:29 am
by mohmultihouse
i second this, need NAT64 support.

Re: NAT64 and DNS64

Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:17 am
by Zorro
v6 should be end to end connection. But if mikrotik released this feature that should be +10.
not really. it "should" not.
and for that reasons both 4-to-6, 4-to-6 and even 6-to-6 NAT exist, just like 4-to-4 before. but implementation yet sporadic and incomplete, yet(to use "straight away/now").

Re: NAT64 and DNS64

Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:15 am
by mohmultihouse
Google just made a public DNS64 server, NAT64 gateway is more relevant then ever.
https://developers.google.com/speed/pub ... docs/dns64

Re: NAT64 and DNS64

Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:02 pm
by Splash
Here's to hoping IPv6 on Mikrotik will take a leap forward and become a more complete solution. With the IPv6 certification now available from Mikrotik, I'm crossing fingers they will press forward with an IPv6 implementation that is more usable.

Re: NAT64 and DNS64

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:03 am
by Milan
Google just made a public DNS64 server, NAT64 gateway is more relevant then ever.
https://developers.google.com/speed/pub ... docs/dns64
We really need NAT64. And also IPv6 NAT (not IPv6 masqureade, just NAT).

Re: NAT64 and DNS64

Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:18 pm
by zervan
Is anything new about NAT64? Maybe some new RouterOS version?

If not, maybe this could be useful (at least for testing): http://www.internetsociety.org/deploy36 ... in-go6lab/

Re: NAT64 and DNS64

Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:03 pm
by eliasbats
Dear MT, Please consider NAT64!

Re: NAT64 and DNS64

Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:01 am
by wtm
Bump ........
Is there anything new on this? As IPV4 addresses get in shorter demand?

Re: NAT64 and DNS64

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:44 am
by enzain
Hi,

Any progress with nat64 and dns64?

Now in russia is actual, our internet regulator starting blocking sitews by IPv6 ...

Re: NAT64 and DNS64

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:36 pm
by mutinsa
+1.