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Begginer - Internet for 1500 houses (Gated community)

Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:23 am

Hi,

I´m a begginer with Mikrotik and also fiber networks, we administer more than 10 condominiuns along a avenue for 1400 meters, one with 450 houses, another with 105, 234 and etc, accounting over 1500 homes with 02 or 03 peoples, each one with smartphone, tablets, laptops and etc.

Main concerns
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- How to isolated each house? VLANs? IP Block/32?
- Traffic shapping

First project
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- Each condominium with HP 51xx/59xx switches for HP Intelligent Resilient Fabric (IRF) in a way they work stacked togheter "as one"
>>> This project seems to be very expensive for example, how to provide 450 ports.

Second project
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Use our office (exactly middle of that avenue) to feed fiber to each condiminium and then each one use wifi networks (Ubiquiti, Rucks or whatever)
>>> Use less switches still has costs for 'fiber cabling'.

Third project
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Use antennas (ubiquit 5Ghz) from the main office to each condominium and use wifi networks as the second one.

Fourth project
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The same as third but feed fiber to each home usig GPON devices.

Somebody told to use RADIUS server but I don't knowledge to check if best fit to our case.

>>> Any help/comment is appreciated <<<
 
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Re: Begginer - Internet for 1500 houses (Gated community)

Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:26 pm

With all my respect: best thing you can do is hiring an experienced proffesional to do so, doesn't look like a project to learn from trial and error, and you'll be actually saving money.

There are lots of details a network engineer needs to know in order to design a successful, quality, performing network, and a forum isn't the best way to develop it from scratch.
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Re: Begginer - Internet for 1500 houses (Gated community)

Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:51 pm

Hi pukkita,

Tks for your quick reply but I'll found some useful reply.
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Re: Begginer - Internet for 1500 houses (Gated community)

Tue Sep 13, 2016 3:24 pm

A strange question. Most of your questions are about using other company hardware, not one mention of MikroTik.
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Re: RE: Re: Begginer - Internet for 1500 houses (Gated community)

Tue Sep 13, 2016 3:41 pm

A strange question. Most of your questions are about using other company hardware, not one mention of MikroTik.
Hi Norrmis,

Here i Brazil most ISP uee Mikrotik, that's why I'm using this forum.

Can Mikrotik route high traffic (3000 devices) like this (every user with at least 10MB)?

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Tue Sep 13, 2016 4:20 pm

A strange question. Most of your questions are about using other company hardware, not one mention of MikroTik.
Can Mikrotik route high traffic (3000 devices) like this (every user with at least 10MB)?
Indeed, but that doesn't guarantee your network will perform well, it will depend on lots of other variables, and service quality will be that of the weakest link in the chain; so nobody can guarantee anything.
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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Begginer - Internet for 1500 houses (Gated community)

Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:10 pm

A strange question. Most of your questions are about using other company hardware, not one mention of MikroTik.
Can Mikrotik route high traffic (3000 devices) like this (every user with at least 10MB)?
Indeed, but that doesn't guarantee your network will perform well, it will depend on lots of other variables, and service quality will be that of the weakest link in the chain; so nobody can guarantee anything.
Quality is never an accident; it is always the result of high intention, sincere effort, intelligent direction and skillful execution; it represents the wise choice of many alternatives."
Another user here told me to use Mikrotik Cloud 1009 to manage each condominium

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Re: Begginer - Internet for 1500 houses (Gated community)

Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:33 pm

and also use Mikrotik Cloud Core 1036 at the main office
 
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Re: Begginer - Internet for 1500 houses (Gated community)

Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:34 pm

Let's put it in another way.

I go to a Ferrari dealer, point to an Enzo (which does more than 300km/h) and ask ¿Will I be able to step on the podium on any GT race with it?

Well... it will depend. On how the car is setup for the track and actual weather, on my mechanics skills, on the rest of drivers performance, and of course, on my own racing skills.

You can put a couple CCR1072 on HA on each POP if you so desire, but that alone won't guarantee a quality service; that's the consultant job: design, deploy and tune the network, maximizing your ROI and making you actually save, and earn money.
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Re: Begginer - Internet for 1500 houses (Gated community)

Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:29 pm

Some ISP here told us that CCR1036 has a BUG where you cannot handle more than 1500 users since all cpu stuck only at one core... Is that true?
 
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Re: Begginer - Internet for 1500 houses (Gated community)

Wed Mar 08, 2017 8:49 pm

Do you have any scheme for the begining ?
Ok you are beginner with MikroTik. Tell us how you would accomplish this with other vendor network equipment, and we can try to help you with MikroTik.
First you need some design
How many network nodes ?
Will you provide VoIP for customers?
Providing TV?
Do the customer demand public IP?
What are your uplinks to provider ? 1Gbps, 10Gbps,.. ?
Do you have BGP with upstream provider ? How big routing table ?
How many Public IP`s do you have, are IPv4 or IPv6 ?
What kind of internet "package" will you offer to customers "10/2", "20/5", "50/50" Mbps ?
Do you have business customers?
How many customers at each network node ?
How many optical/ethernet connections, how many WP2P links?
And many more info, but for the beginning it is realy important that you have at least some plan how to achieve all this

This is everything really important at designing such network. If you would like to get some help, and discuss about this you can add me on skype "tr00g33k".
 
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Re: Begginer - Internet for 1500 houses (Gated community)

Wed Mar 08, 2017 9:02 pm

You guys replying have A LOT of patience...
 
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Re: Begginer - Internet for 1500 houses (Gated community)

Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:04 pm

I WANT DESIGN AND CONSTRUCT HOUSE BUT I DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

SHALL I USE CONCRETE OR WOOD ?? :D
SHALL I MAKE PROJECT FIRST , IN PAINT MAYBE? :lol: :lol:
 
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Re: Begginer - Internet for 1500 houses (Gated community)

Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:27 am

First, begin studying about networks infrastructure or hire a specialized professional.
Second, do not start the network infrastructure without knowledge on that brand which intends to use.
Third, don't be a Brazilian HUE.

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Re: Begginer - Internet for 1500 houses (Gated community)

Thu Mar 09, 2017 1:09 am

Do you have any scheme for the begining ?
Ok you are beginner with MikroTik. Tell us how you would accomplish this with other vendor network equipment, and we can try to help you with MikroTik.
First you need some design
How many network nodes ?
Will you provide VoIP for customers?
Providing TV?
Do the customer demand public IP?
What are your uplinks to provider ? 1Gbps, 10Gbps,.. ?
Do you have BGP with upstream provider ? How big routing table ?
How many Public IP`s do you have, are IPv4 or IPv6 ?
What kind of internet "package" will you offer to customers "10/2", "20/5", "50/50" Mbps ?
Do you have business customers?
How many customers at each network node ?
How many optical/ethernet connections, how many WP2P links?
And many more info, but for the beginning it is realy important that you have at least some plan how to achieve all this

This is everything really important at designing such network. If you would like to get some help, and discuss about this you can add me on skype "tr00g33k".

Can it clarify a little bit more?

How many network nodes ?

VLAN 01 = Internal servers
VLAN 02 = GPON Home Users without Valid/fixed IP Address
VLAN 03 = GPON Home Users with Valid/fixed IP Address
VLAN 04 = GPON WIFI HotSpot without Valid/fixed IP Address
VLAN 05 = GPON Business Users with Valid/fixed IP Address
VLAN 06 = SFP Transport (another ISP [downstream])
VLAN 07 = MPLS customers

Will you provide VoIP for customers?
Yes

Providing TV?
Yes, IPTV (another partner has Headend)

Do the customer demand public IP?
Some of them

What are your uplinks to provider ? 1Gbps, 10Gbps,.. ?
ISP-A 50M using /30 ip range + ISP-B 20M using /30 ip range

Do you have BGP with upstream provider ? How big routing table ?
No BGP - for while.

How many Public IP`s do you have, are IPv4 or IPv6 ?
/30 for both upstream ISP - working on IPv4

What kind of internet "package" will you offer to customers "10/2", "20/5", "50/50" Mbps ?
12/3, 24/6, 36/9 + ... + Custom/Custom (business customers)

Do you have business customers?
Some and with valid/fixed IP address

How many customers at each network node?
Home Users without valid/fixed IP = ~100
Home/Business users with valid/fixed IP = ~20
WIFI Hotspot Devices = 100 * 500 customers each one

How many optical/ethernet connections, how many WP2P links?
ISP and IX connections will use SFP. Eth connections will be used only for Internal servers.

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