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New Router buy

Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:09 pm

Hi everyone.
I'm planning to buy a new router for my house, which is a standalone house with 3 floors now served by a GL.Inet 300 v2 mini router WAN plugged to my Modem.
I have FTC connection up do 100mb/s.
I need to serve an average number of 30 clients (mobile phones, pc, laptop, tvbox) via wifi and wired connections, plus a wifi access point for upper floors connections.
I looked at both HAP Lite and HAP ac (which prices just double of HAP Lite).

Is HAP Lite a good choice (I don't really need 5mhz wifi) regarding performance of connections?
 
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Re: New Router buy

Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:19 pm

I'll let others chime in on the HW but everyday 2.4GHz is moving towards legacy. If you're starting on new hardware you should definitely get 5GHz to futureproof.
 
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Re: New Router buy

Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:34 pm

Paying double just to get the 5GHz that you don't need does not look compelling when Mikrotik does not have ax yet.
 
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Re: New Router buy

Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:41 pm

I looked at both HAP Lite and HAP ac (which prices just double of HAP Lite).
Double? It is actually about 6x more expensive. Are you sure you wrote the model names correctly?

Anyways, in case you are looking for the cheapest device then hAP lite (or hAP lite TC) should be fine. Otherwise I'd suggest to have a look at hAP ac², that's (in my opnion) the most balances solution at the moment.
 
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Re: New Router buy

Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:10 pm

The hAP mini is even cheaper.
 
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Re: New Router buy

Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:19 pm

Anybody here who recommends a hapac lite for 3 stories has already had a lobotomy and is beyond help ;-)

However I note on the top floor you already have an access point? If so which one?
The HAPAC either or, should suffice for two floors if centrally located, otherwise I recommend one per floor, depending upon wall and floor structures.
2.4Ghz will easily service two floors but 5ghz may not.
 
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Re: New Router buy

Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:21 pm

Double? It is actually about 6x more expensive. Are you sure you wrote the model names correctly?

Anyways, in case you are looking for the cheapest device then hAP lite (or hAP lite TC) should be fine. Otherwise I'd suggest to have a look at hAP ac², that's (in my opnion) the most balances solution at the moment.

you're right, my mistake, it was HAP ac lite.
The question still remains the same: is HAP Lite (or HAP ac Lite) worth the while for my needs?
And, mostly, will this small devices handle with no hassle my connections?
 
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Re: New Router buy

Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:42 pm

At least with some other brands, one AP can provide 5 GHz service to 2 floors (maybe not big ones).

2.4 GHz is crowded. It is better to use it only for old devices.
 
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Re: New Router buy

Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:17 am

Anybody here who recommends a hapac lite for 3 stories has already had a lobotomy and is beyond help ;-)

However I note on the top floor you already have an access point? If so which one?
The HAPAC either or, should suffice for two floors if centrally located, otherwise I recommend one per floor, depending upon wall and floor structures.
2.4Ghz will easily service two floors but 5ghz may not.

Actual network:
Top Floor, serving basement (level -1) and 1st floor too: Gl.Inet 300 + 6ports switch, Nordvpn shielded
2nd floor: TpLink Access Point ethernet connected via Powerline to Gl.inet wired switch, serving 1st floor too (with different SSID)
Powerline wired connections: 4 (different rooms), wifi elsewhere

I'd like to switch the Gl.Inet with more performing router.
I don't have wifi coverage problems, it all works well, but sometimes system seems overloaded, maybe too many connections, maybe VPN delay??
 
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Re: New Router buy

Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:39 pm

The question still remains the same: is HAP Lite (or HAP ac Lite) worth the while for my needs?
And, mostly, will this small devices handle with no hassle my connections?
With some rather basic configuration hAP lite will cope with your 100M connection without problem (and the number of users does not really matter). You can always find performance test results on the corresponding product page. If you don't need 5G WiFi then there's no point in looking at hAP ac lite, in terms of computing power it is more or less the same as hAP lite. But that's it, if you are need some freedom in what features of RouterOS are available to you without sacrificing performance, and have some margin of safety otherwise, I'd strongly recommend considering a more powerful router like hAP ac².
 
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Re: New Router buy

Tue Apr 07, 2020 2:49 pm

Thanks everyone for your precious advices!
I'll look for Hap ac2!
 
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Re: New Router buy

Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:24 pm

For me the more interesting discussion and comparison is between the
hapac and the hapac2

1 HapAC
- AC1750 (better 5ghz performance)
- nil ipsec accel
-CPU older MIPSBE , QCA9558 - 1core, nominal freq 720Mhz
-RAM 128mb, storage 16mb
-no USB
-performance ethernet(512kb, 25 filter rules) - 319mb
-no performance ipsec
-POE out - 1 port

2HapAC2
-AC1200
-ipsec hardware acceleration
-CPU newer ARM 32bit, IPQ-4018 - 4core, nominal freq 716Mhz
-RAM 128mb, storage 16mb
-USB (external drive or 4G/LTE modem)
-performance ethernet(512kb, 25 filter rules) - 986
-performance ipsec >1 tunnel (512kb) - 155
-no POE

Based on the above, one sees that there are trade-offs.
If one is NOT doing vpn and has an ISP connection at 300mb or less the hapac will give better wifi.
If one is doing vpn or has an ISP fiber at 500 down or even more1gig then the hapac2 is the obvious choice.
The other factors may be need for 4G backup ISP or need to do poe for example.

My personal preference, for a 1 gig setup is to go with the RB450Gx4 for routing and the capACs for wifi (AC1200) or if not stuck on MT wifi, this option is flexible in that you can go for tp link eap245 (AC1750) access points or others.........

RB450Gx4
-ipsec hardware acceleration
-CPU newer ARM 32bit, IPQ-4019 - 4core, nominal freq 716Mhz
-RAM 1Gb, storage 512mb
-POE out 1 port
-performance ethernet (512kb, 25 filter rules) - 913
-performance ipsec >1 tunnel (512kb) - 155

To compare lets look at the RB4011 (the beast !!)
-AC2000 (best 5Ghz performance)
-ipsec hardware acceleration
-CPU newer ARM 32bit , AL21400, 4core, nominal freq 1.4GHz
-RAM 1Gb, storage 512mb
-performance ethernet (512kb, 25 filter rules) - 2561
-performance ipsec >1 tunnel (512kb) - 820

An obvious choice if you only had one location for wifi and/or required near 1Gig ipsec speeds and heavy loads by users or gazillion users with light load.
-SFP+ port - 1
 
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Re: New Router buy

Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:05 pm

Some things using 2.4GHz:

- WiFi
- Bluetooth
- ZigBee
- RF peripherals
- Microwave ovens
- Cordless phones
- Baby monitors
- Smart power meters
- RC
- Radars
- Wireless audio
- Wireless video
- Wireless power
- Car alarms
- Garage doors
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Re: New Router buy

Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:01 pm

Some things using 2.4GHz:

- WiFi
- Bluetooth
- ZigBee
- RF peripherals
- Microwave ovens
- Cordless phones
- Wireless audio
- Wireless video
- Wireless power
- Car alarms
- Garage doors
Pretty much all besides house and guest wifi on smart phones. Forgot to add multimedia boxes some on 2.4 some on 5ghz. If using 5ghz, they are probably in the same room.

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