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CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:21 pm

Hey everyone,

I recently got my CSS610-8G-2S+ switch and its running great so far.

Yesterday I connected my servers via SFP+ RJ45 modules and removed their 1G links but after doing that, I could no longer the management website of the switch from the servers. If I move the cable to a normal RJ45 Port it works again. I also checked port isolation, nothing configured there and the "Allow from Ports" setting in the general tab, but all is default there - access to management from every port. A reset to default etc. didn't change the problem. My CSS610-8G-2S+ is running 2.12rc2.

Can anyone of you, also owning that switch, try if you have the same issue?

thanks
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:38 am

Hello
Same issue

I contacted technical support:
Description:
Problem: It is not possible comunicate with device CSS610-8G-2S+ through
SFP+ ports (I,II) [Mikrotik S+RJ10 /r2]. Web interface is inaccesible, PING to
device failed, (DHCP lease failed) and static IP on the device do the same.
Standard 1G ports 1-8 works correctly (DHCP/PING/WEB). Switching between
ports 1-8 / SFP+ I,II (vice versa) always working well.


Answer SUP-30842 :
Hello,

Thank you for the report!

We have managed to reproduce the issue locally in our labs and look forward to fixing it on upcoming SwOS versions, unfortunately, I cannot comment on the version availability.
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:49 pm

I have this problem too. It's good to know that Mikrotik Support will be working on it. I have yet seen that many people report a problem with the vlan configuration, I haven't tried it yet, I will wait for the new SwOS, maybe there will be less nerves.
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:16 pm

Hello
Same issue

I contacted technical support:
Description:
Problem: It is not possible comunicate with device CSS610-8G-2S+ through
SFP+ ports (I,II) [Mikrotik S+RJ10 /r2]. Web interface is inaccesible, PING to
device failed, (DHCP lease failed) and static IP on the device do the same.
Standard 1G ports 1-8 works correctly (DHCP/PING/WEB). Switching between
ports 1-8 / SFP+ I,II (vice versa) always working well.


Answer SUP-30842 :
Hello,

Thank you for the report!

We have managed to reproduce the issue locally in our labs and look forward to fixing it on upcoming SwOS versions, unfortunately, I cannot comment on the version availability.
Ahhh Thank's for that info. I already thought I did something wrong. Not a big issue at the moment, but great that they will fix it.
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:45 pm

> Can anyone of you, also owning that switch, try if you have the same issue?

I can also confirm this problem. I just plugged in two identical CSS610-8G-2S+ switches, connected them via SPF+. I can access both of their web interfaces through RJ45 port, but not with SFP+ port.
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:28 pm

It is not just the management interface. It seems that DCHP client is also affected. On the DHCP server side I see that address was "offered" to the switch, but the switch is not bound to the offered address.
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:50 am

I got the following responses from MikroTik:

A similar issue has been observed also in our labs and we look forward to fixing it on upcoming SwOS versions, unfortunately,
I cannot provide an ETA now.

and

Unfortunately, I cannot share any details regarding software availability. My apologies for the caused inconvenience.
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:37 am

Well, I bought these units for a concrete installation, and now I'm not able to use them. I have a deadline. Since they cannot tell when it will be fixed, I have to use something else.

When I bought them, I did not know that web management and DHCP client won't work on SPF+ port. It also turned out the VLAN is not working normally.

Are these covered by the manufacturer's warranty?
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Wed Nov 04, 2020 7:49 am

Bump. Same with CSS610-1Gi-7R-2S+ and RB4011iGS+RM

When connected via SFP+ it works pretty much like unmanaged switch. And only in DHCP mode.

Configurations tested:

All configurations assume default router config with IP changed to 10.0.1.1 and DHCP address space to 10.0.1.101 - 10.0.1.254. Client IP set to 10.0.1.50 manual.

Case 1: Switch configured to "Static only" with IP: 10.0.1.100. Switch connected to Router vis SFP+
- switch can be accessed when client plugged into switch
- router (10.0.1.1) can't be accessed from client when client plugged into switch
- switch can't be accessed via IP address when client plugged into router
- resources connected to router are NOT accessible from client, connected to switch
- resources connected to switch are NOT accessible from client, connected to router


Case 2: Switch configured with "DHCP only" or "DHCP with fallback". Switch connected to Router vis SFP+
- switch can NOT be accessed when client plugged into switch
- router can be accessed when client plugged into switch
- switch can NOT be accessed when client plugged into router
- router can be accessed when client plugged into router
- resources connected to router are accessible from client, connected to switch
- resources connected to switch are accessible from client, connected to router

Case 3: Any switch configuration. Switch connected to router via ethernet
- both admin UIs are accessible when client connected to either box
- all resources are available when client connected to either box
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:07 pm

Same here. Really annoying.
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:58 pm

Same problem. Took me few hours of wondering what am I doing wrong before I found this.
Agree. Quite annoying as my networks are connecting to this switch through sfp.
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:14 pm

Same problem... I have 33 new units of this model. My dead line is in 7 days. If i don't have any solution i go to return the units.
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:22 pm

Same problem... I have 33 new units of this model. My dead line is in 7 days. If i don't have any solution i go to return the units.
return them so Mikrotik support will learn what you get when someone submits a very annoying (and easy to fix) bug and their answer is "NO ETA"
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:36 pm

Same problem... I have 33 new units of this model. My dead line is in 7 days. If i don't have any solution i go to return the units.
return them so Mikrotik support will learn what you get when someone submits a very annoying (and easy to fix) bug and their answer is "NO ETA"
In the last 10 Years we spend in MKT devices more than € 250,000. Sometimes we had some problems but never something as obvious as this. Aswell we work with Huawei, Ruckus, Netgear, Mimosa, Silvus.... I don't normally buy switches from MKT and now I know I did it right.
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:53 pm

Hello
Same issue

I contacted technical support:
Description:
Problem: It is not possible comunicate with device CSS610-8G-2S+ through
SFP+ ports (I,II) [Mikrotik S+RJ10 /r2]. Web interface is inaccesible, PING to
device failed, (DHCP lease failed) and static IP on the device do the same.
Standard 1G ports 1-8 works correctly (DHCP/PING/WEB). Switching between
ports 1-8 / SFP+ I,II (vice versa) always working well.


Answer SUP-30842 :
Hello,

Thank you for the report!

We have managed to reproduce the issue locally in our labs and look forward to fixing it on upcoming SwOS versions, unfortunately, I cannot comment on the version availability.
Ahhh Thank's for that info. I already thought I did something wrong. Not a big issue at the moment, but great that they will fix it.
It think is a big issue... If do you have 33 units in a ring using the SFP+ ports and you can not manage it.
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:23 pm

Guys, seriously? This is NEW product. Not really tested by earth and fire. If you're planning a commercial install based on an untested product - it's not MKT problem, it's your risk management. Go check Cisco forums for new products they release. Give folks some slack.

Again, you wanted a cool shiny new thingie? Wanna pay a fraction of what you'd pay for Cisco? Be ready to deal with early adopter issues.

To Mikrotik team - you guys are doing great, keep pushing.

And maybe after you resolve this you could think of replacing "G" with "P" in this product name? Having PoE+ for this switch will truly make it THE instant classic :)
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:51 pm

Guys, seriously? This is NEW product. Not really tested by earth and fire. If you're planning a commercial install based on an untested product - it's not MKT problem, it's your risk management.
you missed the point completely
bugs do exist, in any product, new or not new.
what we are criticizing is support's answer to the request to fix a bug which should be trivial to fix
for these, Cisco used to deliver us custom builds back then when I was a customer.
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:08 am

Guys, seriously? This is NEW product. Not really tested by earth and fire. If you're planning a commercial install based on an untested product - it's not MKT problem, it's your risk management.
you missed the point completely
bugs do exist, in any product, new or not new.
what we are criticizing is support's answer to the request to fix a bug which should be trivial to fix
for these, Cisco used to deliver us custom builds back then when I was a customer.
Totally agree. As you say, sometimes there are bugs. The strange thing is this type of error and the support that MKT provides. It's so strange that they didn't test it before launching it. On a managed switch I think this is the first point to check because... Do you want to be able to manage it? LOL.
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:56 pm

This is like selling a car that has no wheels. We may classify this problem as a "software bug". But this is an obvious fault, and the product could never work with the simplest configuration.
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:33 pm

Well I canceled mine, I believe many people will do the same.
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:59 pm

Hi all,

I was in contact with MKT support. They had email me with a RC release. It works and i can manage the switch by the SFP+ but i'm waiting for a final release with the corrected bug...
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:18 pm

Can you please share the RC somewhere?
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Mon Nov 16, 2020 2:25 pm

Can you please share the RC somewhere?
Hi,

I go to ask MKT support first if i can share de direct link from them or i can share by my self....
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Mon Nov 16, 2020 3:29 pm

thanks. I canceled my order for 2 of them but already got one, so I can use that.
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:36 pm

Below you can download the SwOS 2.13rc5 version for the CSS610-8G-2S+ device:
https://box.mikrotik.com/f/2d3d33561426401a8697/?dl=1

And for the netPower Lite 7R (CSS610-1Gi-7R-2S+) device:
https://box.mikrotik.com/f/089b908aede040b099c8/?dl=1

It should improve the management connectivity for the SFP+ interfaces. Other fixes and improvements are coming, but I cannot comment when the stable version will be released.
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:39 pm

Thanks. Appreciate it.
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:07 pm

Below you can download the SwOS 2.13rc5 version for the CSS610-8G-2S+ device.
https://box.mikrotik.com/f/2d3d33561426401a8697/?dl=1

It should improve the management connectivity for the SFP+ interfaces. Other fixes and improvements are coming, but I cannot comment when the stable version will be released.
TY
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:48 pm

This is like selling a car that has no wheels. We may classify this problem as a "software bug". But this is an obvious fault, and the product could never work with the simplest configuration.
You're not wrong. Just got 2 of these and the main thing people will use the SFP's for is to do 10G back-haul to a main switch not testing that management access works over the SFP is pretty poor
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:26 am

Hi all,

Now i can manage the devices but icmp to IP of the device is very unstable...
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:54 pm

I know and understand it's the rc5 version, but here are my observations

  • device unstable response (ICMP)
+
  • lazy web interface (often you need to refresh the page to retrieve tab content)

Just for the record, Mikrotik introduced SwOS Lite
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:44 pm

Has anyone with some electronics knowledge tried to open the CRS318-16P-2S+OUT to see inside if its PoE-out ports could be modded for use as PoE-in?
It's more expensive but runs proper RouterOS and just works, power consumption could be an issue though (would probably need 48V PoE-in).

I've done a similar mod for 24V reverse-PoE-in on a much smaller device (OmnitikUPA - old one with 802.11n and 10/100 ports), it was just adding 4 diodes (used 2 dual schottky diodes in isolated TO220, anodes to pins 4,5 of each port 2-5, common cathode to "+" of DC input jack - which becomes an output in case you need to power something non-PoE, I haven't used it).
PoE-out ports 2-5 have diodes in series, so simply applying power (without the mod) does nothing (no current flow, no damage).
Ports used as PoE-in must be set to PoE-out "off" of course - in my case ports 1-4 are used as PoE-in and port 5 as PoE-out powering the uplink radio.
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:23 am

we are having the same problem cannot be accessed from the sfp ports, they do not have connectivity from the sfp port among other CCS610, we bought more than 25 and I am waiting for the resolution of Mikrotik I follow the thread.
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:10 am

we are having the same problem cannot be accessed from the sfp ports, they do not have connectivity from the sfp port among other CCS610, we bought more than 25 and I am waiting for the resolution of Mikrotik I follow the thread.
r5 definitely allows access over SFP however the switch doesn't seem to be able to re-negotiate lower link speeds with copper 10G Mikrotik SFP modules. I have these renegotiating fine between a Mikrotik RouterOS device to a Zyxel XGS switch where they will happily renegotiate at 2.5G or 5G if the cable or length is not good enough but the CCS610 only want to do 10G or nothing. It looks like there are quite a few bugs left in SwitchOS to fix....
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:38 pm

Hello
on a css610 I configured port 1 in the lab as a trunk with 5 vlans and I configured 5 access ports on each vlan - on port 1 I connected a mikrotik router which delivers me the vlan and the associated dhcps - I can't get the vlans to transit - I followed the procedure step by step I don't see where the problem is - can you help me
I checked with a sw cisco that the router was correctly configured it's correct - my problem is of course on the css
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:28 pm

Trying to install r5 - fails with error that bad firmware file. Tried both from webfig and winbox. Any hints?
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:23 am

Below you can download the SwOS 2.13rc5 version for the CSS610-8G-2S+ device.
https://box.mikrotik.com/f/2d3d33561426401a8697/?dl=1

It should improve the management connectivity for the SFP+ interfaces. Other fixes and improvements are coming, but I cannot comment when the stable version will be released.
You got this for the NetPower 7R Lite?
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:21 pm

I edited my first post and added a download link for the netPower Lite 7R, see above.
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:52 pm

Thanks for providing us with further RC candidates.

I've got 8 units now, and just was notified that my backorder of 20 units from Baltic Networks has shipped.
So I'm coming to the point where I would like to have a known good release version soon!
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:57 am

I edited my first post and added a download link for the netPower Lite 7R, see above.
Thank you, sir!

However, It doesn't seem to be taking on my unit running 2.12rc2. It doesn't give me any errors, it just briefly says upgrading, then the page automatically refreshes and nothing happens or upgrades. Thanks.
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:01 pm

Same case for me. Shutting it off and powering back helped solving this issue. Also, make sure you use firmware for your specific device. I.e. CSS610-8G-2S+ and CSS610-1Gi-7R-2S+ are not cross-compatible.
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:31 am

Big thanks to Mikrotik!
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Thu Nov 26, 2020 12:02 am

Same case for me. Shutting it off and powering back helped solving this issue. Also, make sure you use firmware for your specific device. I.e. CSS610-8G-2S+ and CSS610-1Gi-7R-2S+ are not cross-compatible.
A power cycle finished the upgrade. Thanks.
 
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Re: CSS610-8G-2S+ Management Access from SFP+ Port

Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:50 pm

Below you can download the SwOS 2.13rc5 version for the CSS610-8G-2S+ device:
https://box.mikrotik.com/f/2d3d33561426401a8697/?dl=1

And for the netPower Lite 7R (CSS610-1Gi-7R-2S+) device:
https://box.mikrotik.com/f/089b908aede040b099c8/?dl=1

It should improve the management connectivity for the SFP+ interfaces. Other fixes and improvements are coming, but I cannot comment when the stable version will be released.
works with this version but with different hardware equipment, if the CSS610 equipment is not connected

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