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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:16 pm
by Takv
In fact, Mikrotik started as a software development company, and now, starting from 4 to 5 years ago, they have some kind of company secrecy around the upcoming major RouterOS software update, or they are just focusing in hardware development, forgeting they origins. Not in vane they have begun speaking about v7 version five years ago, or is it? So, the less they have to do is to incorporate the most old complains in the major update. We are talking about x86-x64 PC Image, the ethernet driver extense support and all related to ipv6 and bgp, also including the present and stable NV2 AC and Wave 2 support, at least. You have to just look, there is so many complains in the forums never ever solved...

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:16 pm
by mfr476
No news about Ros 7?

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:16 pm
by patrick7
never ever solved...
Don't worry. I'm sure it will be fixed with RouterOS v7

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:55 pm
by mada3k
I think there's a high risk that some architectures/platforms will be stuck on ROS v6 for flash-size and toolchain reasons. v7 will probably be ARM and x86_64 only, and will probably lack some features thats simply not portable (I guess MPLS- and tunnel stuff).

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:38 am
by nz_monkey
I think there's a high risk that some architectures/platforms will be stuck on ROS v6 for flash-size and toolchain reasons. v7 will probably be ARM and x86_64 only, and will probably lack some features thats simply not portable (I guess MPLS- and tunnel stuff).
This is my expectation as well.

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:41 am
by rkj
Something I believe is missing from the feature requests I've read is network telemetry (https://blogs.cisco.com/developer/its-t ... -telemetry) ; SNMP should stand for "Scalability Not My Problem" in how hard it's to make a thousands elements service provider network manageable. My guess is that it would also ease up the CPU load of boxes when WinBox is connected to them.

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:00 am
by vecernik87
re. network telemetry: Well, idea in theory is nice but I find monitoring through highly-abstract layer a bit suicidal. As long as it works, it will be great, but there are few points:

- it definitely won't ease up CPU load (because HTTPS is way more intensive on CPU and bandwidth than SNMP),

- if something goes wrong, it will be way harder to troubleshoot. Look at many network elements (including UBNT, DLINK, TPLINK, mikrotik's SwOS etc etc..) - the least reliable module of most devices is always the web interface/server. And now you want to run realtime monitoring via this module? cmon.

- even now, manufacturers are unable to properly implement universal OIDs in SNMP and too often they implement their own MIBs. I am desperately trying to monitor important devices in my companies through dude, but every manufacturer makes their own way of recording elements. No matter if we talk about printers (and remaining toner), no matter if we talk about UPS (and available capacity or output load). Do you really believe they will somehow magically work together and make this working? universally? nope, not gonna happen. In the best case we get many different proprietary implementations, one from each manufacturer, which won't be compatible. In the worst case, some manufacturers will come with different version for each of their brands and they won't work together.

edit: actually about the push/pull method... I am actually thinking that pull method might be more scalable than push method. Thing is, that with push method, all devices will keep pushing data to controller node. But what if the node becomes busy? or just overwhelmed because there are to many devices? With pull method, controller can easily schedule requests based on requirements - critical data can be polled every few seconds, less important data can be polled once a minute. More important devices can be scheduled more often, less important devices can be polled rarely. Or even if there is some critical task, controller can postpone polling of other things temporarily. See? this is the actual scalability based on controller's configuration.

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:26 am
by MasterJames
Wow this is the biggest blunder in the history of the internet.
Such a shame since RouterOS is great except for this problem with IPv6 in general.
This should be open sourced before they go under. Really it's pretty much to late.

I say open source RouterOS 7+ now or die. Release it for the community to make it work. At least they will be able to try and do something.
As long as they get what they need working, other parts can be addressed over time, and not by waiting over 10 years <SHOCKING>.

This is so bad I think you are really left with corruption as the only explanation, (trying hard not to be paranoid) that and incompetency that is not being addressed.
Incompetency can be resolved. Retardation of an entire corporation is mind boggling. No one is at the wheel.

Or get some financing to hire as many experts (all on here waiting for a decade) to add what seems like a simple enough thing.

Can I install https://dd-wrt.com/ DD-WRT on this RB4011 paper weight? Will a refund on my new RB4011 send the right message or should I hope my loses will help support a company that has passed the point of no return, and think maybe it will be usable in a few years,

If we get some kind of source we can replace or another company can maybe take charge. Can this be given to apache.org or something?
How can we as a community get Mikrotik to allow us to take the wheel and get shyt done!? Can we start a class action lawsuit? I'll sign it, I have losses due to negligence. We need to decentralize people. For the Grid with Arduinos or similar (I'm for WiFi GPUs in light-bulbs?).
A boycott? A petition? anything. Something to through a stone at maybe?

Okay so what's my alternative Cisco? Does their GUI need Java so lame or lamer are my two choices. Bummer. "It's mi way or the Huawei." [ No there out too. ]

I know this sounds like a rant but it feels like I'm drowning. So desperate to find real solutions. Best one I can think of would be to open source RouterOS.

Is this link below anything, a download archive of binaries or what? Is there a Git Repo for RouterOS. Who can explain why that is not possible? If not, I think I'm done, because 5 years ago was the time to act on this idea. It's really too late for even that. Just stop fixing ROSv6 it's dead without IPv6. Divert all resources to release even a borken alpha as soon as possible.

https://github.com/robimarko/routeros-GPL

I've burned uncountable hour$ smeared over a number of months tracking down this horrible truth about RouterOS' grievous incompetency. It makes me & us look bad and has jeopardised many other companies with similar pointless losses too. [ It's no longer worth my time to pursue this route. ]

Okay so it's too bad it does not even make coffee but it probably has enough juice for that.
If Mikrotik sold to Google, Google would conclude to do the right thing and shut it down in about 9 days (a current statistical fact about google these days see Google+ etc.).

Can I get on a mailing list for when ROS7 is available just so in another 10 years I can have a good laugh?

Okay now I go get a couple of boxes of paper towels for my tears I'm drowning in.

My final thought to share is that we could have a mass burial. This idea will create a release deadline so on Bury Your Mikrotik Day say April 1st 2020 (joke is on us), we all just say a final goodbye together to a tragic death of a good friend, cut down in it's prime by what is best defined a stupid senseless crime against humanity.

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 4:09 am
by Sob
Interesting find, that repository. A 12MB, 400k lines kernel patch, it looks like good explanation why it's not easy to just swap kernel for newer one.

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:00 am
by anav
Wow this is the biggest blunder in the history of the internet.
Such a shame since RouterOS is great except for this problem with IPv6 in general.
This should be open sourced before they go under. Really it's pretty much to late.

I say open source RouterOS 7+ now or die. Release it for the community to make it work. At least they will be able to try and do something.
As long as they get what they need working, other parts can be addressed over time, and not by waiting over 10 years <SHOCKING>.

This is so bad I think you are really left with corruption as the only explanation, (trying hard not to be paranoid) that and incompetency that is not being addressed.
Incompetency can be resolved. Retardation of an entire corporation is mind boggling. No one is at the wheel.

Or get some financing to hire as many experts (all on here waiting for a decade) to add what seems like a simple enough thing.

Can I install https://dd-wrt.com/ DD-WRT on this RB4011 paper weight? Will a refund on my new RB4011 send the right message or should I hope my loses will help support a company that has passed the point of no return, and think maybe it will be usable in a few years,

If we get some kind of source we can replace or another company can maybe take charge. Can this be given to apache.org or something?
How can we as a community get Mikrotik to allow us to take the wheel and get shyt done!? Can we start a class action lawsuit? I'll sign it, I have losses due to negligence. We need to decentralize people. For the Grid with Arduinos or similar (I'm for WiFi GPUs in light-bulbs?).
A boycott? A petition? anything. Something to through a stone at maybe?

Okay so what's my alternative Cisco? Does their GUI need Java so lame or lamer are my two choices. Bummer. "It's mi way or the Huawei." [ No there out too. ]

I know this sounds like a rant but it feels like I'm drowning. So desperate to find real solutions. Best one I can think of would be to open source RouterOS.

Is this link below anything, a download archive of binaries or what? Is there a Git Repo for RouterOS. Who can explain why that is not possible? If not, I think I'm done, because 5 years ago was the time to act on this idea. It's really too late for even that. Just stop fixing ROSv6 it's dead without IPv6. Divert all resources to release even a borken alpha as soon as possible.

https://github.com/robimarko/routeros-GPL

I've burned uncountable hour$ smeared over a number of months tracking down this horrible truth about RouterOS' grievous incompetency. It makes me & us look bad and has jeopardised many other companies with similar pointless losses too. [ It's no longer worth my time to pursue this route. ]

Okay so it's too bad it does not even make coffee but it probably has enough juice for that.
If Mikrotik sold to Google, Google would conclude to do the right thing and shut it down in about 9 days (a current statistical fact about google these days see Google+ etc.).

Can I get on a mailing list for when ROS7 is available just so in another 10 years I can have a good laugh?

Okay now I go get a couple of boxes of paper towels for my tears I'm drowning in.

My final thought to share is that we could have a mass burial. This idea will create a release deadline so on Bury Your Mikrotik Day say April 1st 2020 (joke is on us), we all just say a final goodbye together to a tragic death of a good friend, cut down in it's prime by what is best defined a stupid senseless crime against humanity.
No worries, mate, just ship all your latest MT products to me I will take them off your hands and will pay shipping LOL. In Nova Scotia, we help you part with those things that are stressing you out. Its the least we can do. Things are so chill here. :-)

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 4:42 am
by Omniflux

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta99 - released.

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 8:11 am
by Jotne
From the video:
7.00beta99 so long past beta1 as the title asks for :)

7.00Beta99.jpg

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta99 - released.

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 8:28 am
by mkx
From the video:
7.00beta99 so long past beta1 as the title asks for :)
Perhaps MT is counting down ... so next beta from the one shown in video (probably not current any more as @Normis hinted) was beta98 ... and so forth. So v7 will be released to public when count-down reaches beta1 :wink:

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:06 am
by normis
Arent jokes funnier if not published 4 days late?

P.S: this CGI business is getting out of hand

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta99 - released.

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 3:16 pm
by macgaiver
From the video:
7.00beta99 so long past beta1 as the title asks for :)
Perhaps MT is counting down ... so next beta from the one shown in video (probably not current any more as @Normis hinted) was beta98 ... and so forth. So v7 will be released to public when count-down reaches beta1 :wink:
I have seen v6.99, when MT is working on the fix/debugging of some crash fixed on our routers

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:55 pm
by schadom

@normis can you confirm the authenticity of this video? if real, this would be very nice!

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:33 pm
by Chupaka
viewtopic.php?p=725088#p725088 — isn't that about authenticity? :)

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:20 pm
by schadom
viewtopic.php?p=725088#p725088 — isn't that about authenticity? :)

dude, honestly i'm not here for the lulz. we work with business customers and we expect clear statements from MT so that we can plan our next hardware purchases.

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:56 pm
by connorgoodwolf
dude, honestly i'm not here for the lulz. we work with business customers and we expect clear statements from MT so that we can plan our next hardware purchases.
I can't imagine what Mikrotik stock would be like if they were public. The stock would be more volatile than TSLA based on public statements.

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:57 pm
by anthonws
viewtopic.php?p=725088#p725088 — isn't that about authenticity? :)

dude, honestly i'm not here for the lulz. we work with business customers and we expect clear statements from MT so that we can plan our next hardware purchases.
I think the plan is very clear if you're dealing with Enterprise customers. The "It's ready when it's ready" statement says it all :)

Me, as a consumer, I honestly couldn't care less. Sure, I'm unhappy for not having a couple of cool features, but my investment until now has been very low and I don't mind replacing everything tomorrow for something else that fulfill my needs.

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:50 am
by connorgoodwolf
I don't mind replacing everything tomorrow for something else that fulfill my needs.
Unfortunately some of us are in such a scenario where we must decide to work on a custom firmware solution for Routerboard devices or spend the money replacing all Mikrotik hardware.

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 12:44 pm
by pe1chl
The "It's ready when it's ready" statement says it all :)
I fully agree. "It's ready when it's ready" is what a hobbyist writes. Or a beginner.
A professional developer has a plan and a schedule, and can explain overruns of the schedule.

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:04 pm
by maara
This "It's ready when it's ready" approach is something that shouldn't be part of your PR if you are an enterprise company. If so, then your management is seriously lacking.

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:52 pm
by Chupaka
This "It's ready when it's ready" approach is something that shouldn't be part of your PR if you are an enterprise company. If so, then your management is seriously lacking.
Just like Google, btw.
" - When are you planning to release that feature for Google Cloud?
- When it's ready, no ETA (c)
- <working hard to implement the feature in a self-hosted way>
- <in 2 month they release it>
- F*ck! Are you kidding? We could wait for those 2 month instead of doing a ton of sh*tty work!"

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:54 pm
by maara
Just like Google, btw.
Agree, yet Google is not selling any enterprise HW products and no customers are planning any new infra deployments based on their hw etc...

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:15 pm
by mkx
Just like Google, btw.
Agree, yet Google is not selling any enterprise HW products and no customers are planning any new infra deployments based on their hw etc...
HW products by Mikrotik are mostly fine. It's mostly software which makes us sometimes unhappy. ROS7 is, after all, software which will, hopefully, run on our existing HW. All in all, this is not that far from what we expect from google ... only that for google's services you most of times pay with personal data and for Mikrotik's services you pay with hard cash and electricity ... and receive back some heat (you can't say that about google's services).

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:33 pm
by tesme33
Independantly when R7 comes , in the toolchain of Melanox it is stated that they use kernal 3.10.104 which was released 21.10.2016.
Mmmh this is really long time back. A lot of improovements have been implemented since then and i doubt that MT has the capacity to get all these benefits backported.
So which kernel will we get ? And Is this good or bad ?

http://www.mellanox.com/repository/solutions/tile-scm/

How this looks like for the other processors i didnt check. But at least the tile will get the new OS with hope of a better parallel CPU usage.

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:25 pm
by Chupaka
only that for google's services you most of times pay with personal data and for Mikrotik's services you pay with hard cash and electricity ...
I was talking about Google Cloud Services. You pay for it in cash also :)

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:34 pm
by mkx
only that for google's services you most of times pay with personal data and for Mikrotik's services you pay with hard cash and electricity ...
I was talking about Google Cloud Services. You pay for it in cash also :)
Well that sounds better (but still no heat in exchange I guess). Unlike majority of inhabitants of Earth I value my own personal data and choose to pay with cash ... it's much easier to decide if something is worth the price or not ...

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:49 pm
by mfr476
Mikrotik have a Big problem with costumers and product.... Forun Gurú not improve the result

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:18 pm
by irukandji
Such a shame since RouterOS is great except for this problem with IPv6 in general.
Omg, just ordered rb4011 and I thought something is seriously wrong. :lol:

IPv6? I didnt notice any lack of IPv4 addresses yet, so I wouldnt bother too much... Just relax.

(anyway until I am forced by ISP to use IPv6 and I wont have any chance to switch to some other, I will keep it turned off to keep my sanity)

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:05 pm
by mfr476
Wireless ac improvement It is other Big problem...

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:26 pm
by PtDragon
Guys, we have a lot to progress to, current kernel is 5.X.
That is cool that we have 7.x in development.
But still, even if it becomes a tradition that MikroTik programmers dislike - please post a bit about your progress every month(just some things you remember in 5 minutes, no need for full details).
Surely one of programmers can sacrifice 5-10 minutes of time every month to keep people informed. 10 minutes is a full maximum to tell changes you are working at.
Really, we know too few for now, i know it can be embarassing if you show something on 5.x kernel tat does not even have enough features.
But still it will be a small window thru which we can see a small bit of your hard work.
Yeah, you have own code, you have own repositories, that's okay, just give small bits of info on what you are working so we can objectively see you do some work(because after some years with no information many people start to doubt you do anything on v7 branch).
Please, i really wish to hope for myself and for some of my clients that you will do 7.x branch with better(more even) load sharing between the cores.

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:18 pm
by mfr476
+1 Great idea¡¡¡¡¡ no timelines but we know the progress.

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Wed May 01, 2019 9:17 am
by Steveocee
Great idea but can’t see it happening.
Do Apple give updates on what their design and software team are working on?

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Wed May 01, 2019 10:16 am
by pe1chl
I asked about it at the Amsterdam MUM.
(actually I asked when we would get more IPv6 features, the reply was "in v7" as usual, then I wondered if we would ever get that)

The reply was "certainly before the end of the year".
Of course, it wasn't mentioned "which year" :-)

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 4:40 pm
by mfr476
A lot of days without New firmware... Is It a Ros 7 signal?

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 5:15 pm
by anthonws
A lot of days without New firmware... Is It a Ros 7 signal?
No. It's just a signal of no signal. Typical around these corners...

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 4:07 pm
by buset1974
A lot of days without New firmware... Is It a Ros 7 signal?
not yet

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 10:27 pm
by mfr476
When? In a long future?

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 11:11 pm
by Sob
It's getting closer every day! ;)

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 12:04 am
by anthonws
It's getting closer every day! ;)
What an awesome slogan for Mikrotik!

"Trust in Mikrotik! What you're waiting for is getting closer every day!" TM

Microsoft tried patenting that for Windows Phone/Mobile, but Mikrotik got there first ;)

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 11:17 am
by pe1chl
"Trust in Mikrotik! What you're waiting for is getting closer every day!" TM

Microsoft tried patenting that for Windows Phone/Mobile, but Mikrotik got there first ;)
Don't use that example, we all hope that it will not be vaporware like Windows Phone...

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 12:04 pm
by mkx
we all hope that it will not be vaporware like Windows Phone...
Windows Phone was not vaporware, it was real ... shit. And that's why it disappeared real soon ...

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 1:15 pm
by pe1chl
Windows Phone was not vaporware, it was real ... shit. And that's why it disappeared real soon ...
Well, it really showed that Microsoft thrives only on existing installed base.
In a "new market", it really stands no chance against the competition.
However, what I meant is that the platform has almost (and also completely) disappeared many times, with the proponents clinging onto a promised new version time after time.
And every time it failed to deliver. We would not want that same thing happen to RouterOS...

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 12:20 am
by anthonws
Windows Phone was not vaporware, it was real ... shit. And that's why it disappeared real soon ...
Well, it really showed that Microsoft thrives only on existing installed base.
In a "new market", it really stands no chance against the competition.
However, what I meant is that the platform has almost (and also completely) disappeared many times, with the proponents clinging onto a promised new version time after time.
And every time it failed to deliver. We would not want that same thing happen to RouterOS...
Indeed we don't want to see the same thing happen to RouterOS.

But I'm sure ROS 7 is going to be the savior, just like Windows 10 Mobile was :P heheheheh

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 8:34 am
by mfr476
The worst of this situation in mikrotik silence

I Hope that wisp have future in a fiber world

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 1:09 pm
by normis
I just want to let everyone know, that v7 is progressing pretty good this year, and most core functionality is usable. Some more difficult parts need to be done and we can release a public beta.

Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 1:15 pm
by Keyko
I just want to let everyone know, that v7 is progressing pretty good this year, and most core functionality is usable. Some more difficult parts need to be done and we can release a public beta.

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Re: RouterOS v7.0 beta1 - when?

Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 2:03 pm
by mkx
@Keyko, hold on there on the tree trunk, don't fall down! ;-)