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Re: Which types of ports would you like to see for a high speed router

Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:55 pm

48x SFP+
6x QSFP

as a BGP router...


edit: any ETA?
 
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Re: Which types of ports would you like to see for a high speed router

Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:14 pm

48x SFP+
6x QSFP

as a BGP router...


edit: any ETA?
+1

Hardware like
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http://www.edge-core.com/productsInfo.p ... =59&id=119

have very good performance/price ratio, but it is still too complicated to setup and maintain. With RouterOS this should be (and will be) killer.
 
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Re: Which types of ports would you like to see for a high speed router

Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:53 am

48x SFP+
6x QSFP

as a BGP router...


edit: any ETA?
I think Mikrotik are talking about a high-touch(services) router, not a low-touch router. This will be a services router like the CCR that can run PPP/NAT type services, not a "low-touch" router/switch that can just forward frames quickly.
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Re: Which types of ports would you like to see for a high speed router

Wed Jun 07, 2017 2:00 am

why even people post switch gear links? we are talking about the next gen ccr
 
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Wed Jun 07, 2017 2:19 am

I want 100gb and -48vdc power.
 
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I want 100gb and -48vdc power.
Don't we all ? :D
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Re: Which types of ports would you like to see for a high speed router

Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:44 am

I think Mikrotik are talking about a high-touch(services) router, not a low-touch router. This will be a services router like the CCR that can run PPP/NAT type services, not a "low-touch" router/switch that can just forward frames quickly.
for BGP in IX we need something which have as much ports as possible. And quick forwarding/routing is they key functionality :-)
inspiration here .. http://e.huawei.com/en/products/enterpr ... s/ne/ne40e
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Re: Which types of ports would you like to see for a high speed router

Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:06 am

why even people post switch gear links? we are talking about the next gen ccr
now and in the future, there is not difference between L3 switch/router, speed is the key... hardware ASIC with TCAM is what you need.
 
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Re: Which types of ports would you like to see for a high speed router

Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:25 pm

Like not for home use right? I am bit confuse. I have a 100mbps connection and Gbit is a lot considering the experience I get on 100.
Yes, these are for a new tier of high end Mikrotik routers. As they said initially, 100 gigabit capacity.
Well this is good news then! So can I get it on my home network?
 
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Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:26 pm

Also, I would like to know if these routers will allow me to distribute Internet bandwidth separately to other connected devices?
 
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Re: Which types of ports would you like to see for a high speed router

Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:44 pm

48x SFP+
6x QSFP

as a BGP router...


edit: any ETA?
I think Mikrotik are talking about a high-touch(services) router, not a low-touch router. This will be a services router like the CCR that can run PPP/NAT type services, not a "low-touch" router/switch that can just forward frames quickly.
for BGP in IX we need something which have as much ports as possible. And quick forwarding/routing is they key functionality :-)
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Re: Which types of ports would you like to see for a high speed router

Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:00 am

For the "more ports" people, check out 802.1BR

If Mikrotik were to implement 802.1BR on their routers and switches, it would allow "port extension", e.g. there could be a Mikrotik Router connected to a Mikrotik Switch in "Port Extender" mode, all of the ports on the switch would then appear as if they were local ports on the router.

802.1BR is supported by the switch chips used in the new CRS3xx series of switches, so it would be possible for Mikrotik to add the ability to use the CRS3xx as port extenders for their routers.
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Re: Which types of ports would you like to see for a high speed router

Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:13 am

For the "more ports" people, check out 802.1BR

If Mikrotik were to implement 802.1BR on their routers and switches, it would allow "port extension", e.g. there could be a Mikrotik Router connected to a Mikrotik Switch in "Port Extender" mode, all of the ports on the switch would then appear as if they were local ports on the router.
until then 802.1ad can be used to connect CRS switches (CRS317-1G-16S+ will make lots of things possible) to CCRs as port extenders

there was great a presentation about this solution last year on Budapest MUM. unfortunately it was in hungarian, that's why the presentation is not available in pdf
 
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Re: Which types of ports would you like to see for a high speed router

Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:10 am

An IX shouldn't be doing any routing. An IX should only be switching. Layer 2 only.

BGP is L2 ?
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Re: Which types of ports would you like to see for a high speed router

Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:13 am

For the "more ports" people, check out 802.1BR

If Mikrotik were to implement 802.1BR on their routers and switches, it would allow "port extension", e.g. there could be a Mikrotik Router connected to a Mikrotik Switch in "Port Extender" mode, all of the ports on the switch would then appear as if they were local ports on the router.

802.1BR is supported by the switch chips used in the new CRS3xx series of switches, so it would be possible for Mikrotik to add the ability to use the CRS3xx as port extenders for their routers.
why two or more boxes? it is twice more chance something went broken. One box with enough SFP+ and QSFP port is preferred :-)
 
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Re: Which types of ports would you like to see for a high speed router

Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:24 am

48x SFP+
6x QSFP

as a BGP router...


edit: any ETA?
I think Mikrotik are talking about a high-touch(services) router, not a low-touch router. This will be a services router like the CCR that can run PPP/NAT type services, not a "low-touch" router/switch that can just forward frames quickly.
for BGP in IX we need something which have as much ports as possible. And quick forwarding/routing is they key functionality :-)
inspiration here .. http://e.huawei.com/en/products/enterpr ... s/ne/ne40e
An IX shouldn't be doing any routing. An IX should only be switching. Layer 2 only.

BGP is L2 ?
The IX infrastructure doesn't do BGP. It just does basic Ethernet. Many (most) do have route servers that do run BGP, but those are best ran on servers, not routers.
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Re: Which types of ports would you like to see for a high speed router

Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:43 pm


The IX infrastructure doesn't do BGP. It just does basic Ethernet. Many (most) do have route servers that do run BGP, but those are best ran on servers, not routers.

Brocade, Juniper, Arista, Cisco, Huawei ... do you really mean "servers" ? Sorry maybe we talking about two other things, in IXP we have routers and interconnection with other providers by BGP, public IX have "routing servers" most of them Bird I guess.
But if you want to peer with other providers, you need router, with many ports, some ports you use for interconnect, some for transport. Ok, you can do it by two boxes, switch + router, but why? One box is better in may ways. Power, failure, security, backup ....
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Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:10 pm

Could you be so kind and do not cite full post if you answer it ? If you need emphasize some part of previous post just cite this part.
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Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:39 pm


BGP is L2 ?
The IX infrastructure doesn't do BGP. It just does basic Ethernet. Many (most) do have route servers that do run BGP, but those are best ran on servers, not routers.

Brocade, Juniper, Arista, Cisco, Huawei ... do you really mean "servers" ? Sorry maybe we talking about two other things, in IXP we have routers and interconnection with other providers by BGP, public IX have "routing servers" most of them Bird I guess.
But if you want to peer with other providers, you need router, with many ports, some ports you use for interconnect, some for transport. Ok, you can do it by two boxes, switch + router, but why? One box is better in may ways. Power, failure, security, backup ....
I have built and operate two Internet exchanges and am in regular discussion with my colleagues on IX operations. If you are running an IX, you want a switch, not a router. This is because Internet exchanges don't route themselves. They provide a platform to allow operators to connect to. Those operators then run BGP.

Yes, I really do mean servers and most IXes do run their route servers on BIRD, but OpenBGPd is making a comeback. We have built ours on OpenBGPd and are loving it.

If you're an operator connecting to an IX, you only need one port to connect to everybody else. That's the point of an Internet exchange. Obviously you would need other ports for transport, transit, etc. but they have nothing to do with the IX.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_exchange_point

However, I feel as though we have gone far beyond the OP's question in explaining to you how an IX works. We can continue this conversation elsewhere, if you'd like.
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Re: Which types of ports would you like to see for a high speed router

Sat Jun 10, 2017 6:05 pm

Hammy,
Sorry but I have to ask as moderator: Can you read ? Do you understand what I am asking for ?
I have just asked not to cite post under post ... yes, yes, I know that your latest one is not strictly citation "post under post".

PLEASE edit your post and shorten it.
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Sat Jun 10, 2017 10:58 pm


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_exchange_point

However, I feel as though we have gone far beyond the OP's question in explaining to you how an IX works. We can continue this conversation elsewhere, if you'd like.
no flame, but we prefer private direct peering (dedicated fiber), not through public IX. So from our point of view, as many ports as router can have, is better for us.
 
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Re: Which types of ports would you like to see for a high speed router

Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:42 am

I would like a a 48 SFP's with one or 2 SFP+'s
ideally if it can be Stack-able to have expansion
 
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I would like a a 48 SFP's with one or 2 SFP+'s
ideally if it can be Stack-able to have expansion
That sounds like a switch rather than a router..
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Re: Which types of ports would you like to see for a high speed router

Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:04 pm

None of the rack mountable CCR units has an external power supply
But I would like a desktop unit with a single internal PSU.
Not a problem, but this is not high-end device, right? And this topic is for 100G ports, something you just don't need in desktop unit, after all.
This topic is not about 100Gb ports, but about 100Gb throughput.
 
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None of the rack mountable CCR units has an external power supply
But I would like a desktop unit with a single internal PSU.
Not a problem, but this is not high-end device, right? And this topic is for 100G ports, something you just don't need in desktop unit, after all.
This topic is not about 100Gb ports, but about 100Gb throughput.
Which you also don't typically need in a desktop unit. Most of those commenting seem to have lost the initial scope of the request.
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I apologize my grammatical errors, my english not so good, I am not a native speaker.
Wiki is maintained in English. I use Google translator. 8)
 
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Re: Which types of ports would you like to see for a high speed router

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Way, way off topic, sorry:
but OpenBGPd is making a comeback. We have built ours on OpenBGPd and are loving it.
What OS and what hardware?

I played with it on a PC just to see how it worked but it's been a while. Would be cool to deploy that on OpenBSD on beefy hardware, should be solid based on what I've seen.
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Way, way off topic, sorry:
but OpenBGPd is making a comeback. We have built ours on OpenBGPd and are loving it.
What OS and what hardware?

I played with it on a PC just to see how it worked but it's been a while. Would be cool to deploy that on OpenBSD on beefy hardware, should be solid based on what I've seen.
Running OpenBSD on Proxmox and vSphere VMs now. Well, some older Dell hardware too. Low load, so don't need much power behind it.
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Re: Which types of ports would you like to see for a high speed router

Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:28 pm

I think I will add another 2 cents of my thoughts ...

I would like to see some copper 10-gig ports. (or 10/100/1-gig/10-gig ports).
How about something where we have 4 SFP+ ports and all Ethernet ports are 10/100/1-gig/10-gig ports and all ports are on a switch-chip.

My reasoning for the copper 10-Gig Ethernet ports is that servers are now available with copper 10-gig Ethernet ports.

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Re: Which types of ports would you like to see for a high speed router

Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:54 pm

Bump, @Mikrotik can you give any details of what is potentially being planned? Are you going to be moving of the Tilera platform? Marvell? Broadcom? 2018 launch? Faster Mhz CPU's?
 
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We only gather ideas, but there is nothing to announce yet. When we have something ready, we will announce it in our MUM conference.
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@normis for me new router need to be able to handle medium/high pps during attacks. We have lot of customers that joined our DDoS protected transit service because they have 100% CPU usage and loose router access during tcp floods (ccr1036 and ccr1072 devices).

As personal experience, on our CCR1072 we're able to push 15-20Gbps on exchanges without any issue. .Is useless create >100Gbps routers capacity when 1gbps tcp can block him (like ccr1072 now).
 
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normis, we need sfp28 and qfp28
 
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Re: Which types of ports would you like to see for a high speed router

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Have to step in here...

the next logical step would be a SFP28 / QSFP uplink SWITCH - routing not SO much needed, you can start with an Ethernet switch (though RouterOS would be appreciated). "Cloud Core" is moving to 25gbit, not alone because Intel has no network card (that I could find) in the 10g range that supports RDMA. Shame. And the Mellanox for a similar price to the Intel 710 - are SFP28. So, next round of servers here gets 25g Ethernet.

Cheapest switch I could find is https://www.fs.com/products/69375.html - 48 SFP28 and 6 QSFP for uplink. Which is too large for MY needs - a 16+2 port would be enough. Still, that things runs at 5000USD. WIthout OS - which adds significantly. On the plus side it is an ONIE switch, so you can choose the OS to use (hint: Mikrotik ONIE would be nice, handles flexible hardware). There is one free from MS, but it is db driven (no config command line, pulls config from a database - VERY nice for a large setup, they use that on Azure, but very limited on smaller scale setups). There is a smalle rversion (18xSFP28, 4xQSFP28) that costs around 6000 complete with OS.
 
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Re: Which types of ports would you like to see for a high speed router

Wed Mar 07, 2018 6:24 am

We are working on some future high speed routers with around 100Gbit throughput, and we would like your input on what types of ports you would want to see in such devices.
If you imagine a device with around 16 ports (just an example), how many of them would you want to be (just examples, you can add your own ideas):

SFP+ (10G)
SFP28 (25G)
QSFP (4x10G)
10Gbit copper (10G)
Management with PoE

Let us know in the replies here
That is great, I hope you can launch a router with at least 4 QSPF ports.
 
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Re: Which types of ports would you like to see for a high speed router

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We are working on some future high speed routers with around 100Gbit throughput, and we would like your input on what types of ports you would want to see in such devices.
If you imagine a device with around 16 ports (just an example), how many of them would you want to be (just examples, you can add your own ideas):

SFP+ (10G)
SFP28 (25G)
QSFP (4x10G)
10Gbit copper (10G)
Management with PoE

Let us know in the replies here
Question re "...routers with around 100Gbit throughput..."
To better understand the question and better formulate a response, I would like to ask what type/brand of CPU(s) are being considered to acheive 100Gbit routed L3 throughput ?

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Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:02 pm

I would be amazing to have this Mikrotik switch:
24 SFP
4SFP+ (10G)
Two gigabit copper ports
We want to upgrade our network and replace Alcatel switches with Mikrotk.
 
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Re: Which types of ports would you like to see for a high speed router

Tue May 01, 2018 12:07 am

12 x SFP+ (10G)
4 x QSFP (4x10G)
1 x Management (no PoE)
1 x serial management
second that.
 
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Thu May 10, 2018 10:07 pm

For example,

I working now on a project for vip-class residential high-rise buildings. And we planning to make 10GFTTH. What we want to have on one site:

1. Stackable switch (Layer 2 and Layer 3 switching) for 500 SFP+ ports (in total) and 10x100Gb ports for uplink, with 128 Gb/s cross-connection between switches (connecting as ring).

2. For apartments we need user router with 2 (or 4) SFP+, 6 ports 10GBASE-T, and 10 ports GBASE-T (maybe few RS485 for telemetry, IoT, alarms).

3. Something like UBNT UAP-XG (bgn/ac/Wave2, if it will also have /ad this will be good) with real seamless WiFi roaming.

This APs and router will installed in apartments as defaults.
 
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Re: Which types of ports would you like to see for a high speed router

Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:01 am

it has been more than one years, still don't see 100G port router from mikrotik, any new update?
 
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Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:15 pm

Any news about this one? Any hints, any signs? Any rumors?
Back to CPUs/ASICs: Cavium´s Thunder X2 or Octeon TX look great.

=> list price for 32 core Cavium´s CN9980 is $1795
 
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Re: Which types of ports would you like to see for a high speed router

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What's the status on these new router models?
 
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We are working on some future high speed routers with around 100Gbit throughput, and we would like your input on what types of ports you would want to see in such devices.
If you imagine a device with around 16 ports (just an example), how many of them would you want to be (just examples, you can add your own ideas):

SFP+ (10G)
SFP28 (25G)
QSFP (4x10G)
10Gbit copper (10G)
Management with PoE

Let us know in the replies here
6x10Gbit Copper, 4xSFP+, 2xSFP28
 
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The 40G we use still requires LC.
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Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:33 pm

If 40G switching is already good for CPE, I think core would need 100G.
 
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Thu Oct 25, 2018 4:08 am

40gig is older generation now. No new gear is coming out with 40G on it any more, everything new is 100G QSFP28 as the chipsets cost the same whether they have 40G or 100G ports.

Also, the carrier/service provider industry has never embraced 40G, it has always been 10G, 25G, 100G, 200G and now 400G.
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Re: Which types of ports would you like to see for a high speed router

Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:44 pm

You could buy a small Ryzen NAS and a couple 40G cards for your home. You cannot do that with 100G.

I did not say 40G for the datacenter.

If you can plug a 40G cable into the 100G port and a small router/switch does not become much more expensive, 100G would be preferred for such a device, as one SSD is enough to saturate 40G. But that is not the subject of the discussion.
 
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Re: Which types of ports would you like to see for a high speed router

Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:51 pm

Hi!

I think you first need to learn how to make stackable hardware.

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Re: Which types of ports would you like to see for a high speed router

Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:16 pm

Hi!

I think you first need to learn how to make stackable hardware.

WBR,
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Which other routers are stackable ?
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