48x SFP+
6x QSFP

as a BGP router...


edit: any ETA?

48x SFP+
6x QSFP

as a BGP router...


edit: any ETA?

+1

Hardware like
https://whiteboxswitch.com/products/qua ... -with-onie
http://www.edge-core.com/productsInfo.p ... =59&id=119

have very good performance/price ratio, but it is still too complicated to setup and maintain. With RouterOS this should be (and will be) killer.

48x SFP+
6x QSFP

as a BGP router...


edit: any ETA?

I think Mikrotik are talking about a high-touch(services) router, not a low-touch router. This will be a services router like the CCR that can run PPP/NAT type services, not a "low-touch" router/switch that can just forward frames quickly.

why even people post switch gear links? we are talking about the next gen ccr

I want 100gb and -48vdc power.

I want 100gb and -48vdc power.

Don't we all ?

I think Mikrotik are talking about a high-touch(services) router, not a low-touch router. This will be a services router like the CCR that can run PPP/NAT type services, not a "low-touch" router/switch that can just forward frames quickly.

for BGP in IX we need something which have as much ports as possible. And quick forwarding/routing is they key functionality
inspiration here .. http://e.huawei.com/en/products/enterpr ... s/ne/ne40e

why even people post switch gear links? we are talking about the next gen ccr

now and in the future, there is not difference between L3 switch/router, speed is the key... hardware ASIC with TCAM is what you need.

Like not for home use right? I am bit confuse. I have a 100mbps connection and Gbit is a lot considering the experience I get on 100.

Yes, these are for a new tier of high end Mikrotik routers. As they said initially, 100 gigabit capacity.

Well this is good news then! So can I get it on my home network?

Also, I would like to know if these routers will allow me to distribute Internet bandwidth separately to other connected devices?

48x SFP+
6x QSFP

as a BGP router...


edit: any ETA?

I think Mikrotik are talking about a high-touch(services) router, not a low-touch router. This will be a services router like the CCR that can run PPP/NAT type services, not a "low-touch" router/switch that can just forward frames quickly.

for BGP in IX we need something which have as much ports as possible. And quick forwarding/routing is they key functionality
inspiration here .. http://e.huawei.com/en/products/enterpr ... s/ne/ne40e

An IX shouldn't be doing any routing. An IX should only be switching. Layer 2 only.

For the "more ports" people, check out 802.1BR

If Mikrotik were to implement 802.1BR on their routers and switches, it would allow "port extension", e.g. there could be a Mikrotik Router connected to a Mikrotik Switch in "Port Extender" mode, all of the ports on the switch would then appear as if they were local ports on the router.

802.1BR is supported by the switch chips used in the new CRS3xx series of switches, so it would be possible for Mikrotik to add the ability to use the CRS3xx as port extenders for their routers.

For the "more ports" people, check out 802.1BR

If Mikrotik were to implement 802.1BR on their routers and switches, it would allow "port extension", e.g. there could be a Mikrotik Router connected to a Mikrotik Switch in "Port Extender" mode, all of the ports on the switch would then appear as if they were local ports on the router.

until then 802.1ad can be used to connect CRS switches (CRS317-1G-16S+ will make lots of things possible) to CCRs as port extenders

there was great a presentation about this solution last year on Budapest MUM. unfortunately it was in hungarian, that's why the presentation is not available in pdf

An IX shouldn't be doing any routing. An IX should only be switching. Layer 2 only.

BGP is L2 ?

For the "more ports" people, check out 802.1BR

If Mikrotik were to implement 802.1BR on their routers and switches, it would allow "port extension", e.g. there could be a Mikrotik Router connected to a Mikrotik Switch in "Port Extender" mode, all of the ports on the switch would then appear as if they were local ports on the router.

802.1BR is supported by the switch chips used in the new CRS3xx series of switches, so it would be possible for Mikrotik to add the ability to use the CRS3xx as port extenders for their routers.

why two or more boxes? it is twice more chance something went broken. One box with enough SFP+ and QSFP port is preferred

48x SFP+
6x QSFP

as a BGP router...


edit: any ETA?

I think Mikrotik are talking about a high-touch(services) router, not a low-touch router. This will be a services router like the CCR that can run PPP/NAT type services, not a "low-touch" router/switch that can just forward frames quickly.

for BGP in IX we need something which have as much ports as possible. And quick forwarding/routing is they key functionality
inspiration here .. http://e.huawei.com/en/products/enterpr ... s/ne/ne40e

An IX shouldn't be doing any routing. An IX should only be switching. Layer 2 only.

BGP is L2 ?

The IX infrastructure doesn't do BGP. It just does basic Ethernet. Many (most) do have route servers that do run BGP, but those are best ran on servers, not routers.

The IX infrastructure doesn't do BGP. It just does basic Ethernet. Many (most) do have route servers that do run BGP, but those are best ran on servers, not routers.

Brocade, Juniper, Arista, Cisco, Huawei ... do you really mean "servers" ? Sorry maybe we talking about two other things, in IXP we have routers and interconnection with other providers by BGP, public IX have "routing servers" most of them Bird I guess.
But if you want to peer with other providers, you need router, with many ports, some ports you use for interconnect, some for transport. Ok, you can do it by two boxes, switch + router, but why? One box is better in may ways. Power, failure, security, backup ....

Could you be so kind and do not cite full post if you answer it ? If you need emphasize some part of previous post just cite this part.

BGP is L2 ?

The IX infrastructure doesn't do BGP. It just does basic Ethernet. Many (most) do have route servers that do run BGP, but those are best ran on servers, not routers.

Brocade, Juniper, Arista, Cisco, Huawei ... do you really mean "servers" ? Sorry maybe we talking about two other things, in IXP we have routers and interconnection with other providers by BGP, public IX have "routing servers" most of them Bird I guess.
But if you want to peer with other providers, you need router, with many ports, some ports you use for interconnect, some for transport. Ok, you can do it by two boxes, switch + router, but why? One box is better in may ways. Power, failure, security, backup ....

I have built and operate two Internet exchanges and am in regular discussion with my colleagues on IX operations. If you are running an IX, you want a switch, not a router. This is because Internet exchanges don't route themselves. They provide a platform to allow operators to connect to. Those operators then run BGP.

Yes, I really do mean servers and most IXes do run their route servers on BIRD, but OpenBGPd is making a comeback. We have built ours on OpenBGPd and are loving it.

If you're an operator connecting to an IX, you only need one port to connect to everybody else. That's the point of an Internet exchange. Obviously you would need other ports for transport, transit, etc. but they have nothing to do with the IX.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_exchange_point

However, I feel as though we have gone far beyond the OP's question in explaining to you how an IX works. We can continue this conversation elsewhere, if you'd like.

Hammy,
Sorry but I have to ask as moderator: Can you read ? Do you understand what I am asking for ?
I have just asked not to cite post under post ... yes, yes, I know that your latest one is not strictly citation "post under post".

PLEASE edit your post and shorten it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_exchange_point

However, I feel as though we have gone far beyond the OP's question in explaining to you how an IX works. We can continue this conversation elsewhere, if you'd like.

no flame, but we prefer private direct peering (dedicated fiber), not through public IX. So from our point of view, as many ports as router can have, is better for us.

I would like a a 48 SFP's with one or 2 SFP+'s
ideally if it can be Stack-able to have expansion

I would like a a 48 SFP's with one or 2 SFP+'s
ideally if it can be Stack-able to have expansion

That sounds like a switch rather than a router..

None of the rack mountable CCR units has an external power supply

But I would like a desktop unit with a single internal PSU.

Not a problem, but this is not high-end device, right? And this topic is for 100G ports, something you just don't need in desktop unit, after all.

This topic is not about 100Gb ports, but about 100Gb throughput.

None of the rack mountable CCR units has an external power supply

But I would like a desktop unit with a single internal PSU.

Not a problem, but this is not high-end device, right? And this topic is for 100G ports, something you just don't need in desktop unit, after all.

This topic is not about 100Gb ports, but about 100Gb throughput.

Which you also don't typically need in a desktop unit. Most of those commenting seem to have lost the initial scope of the request.

Way, way off topic, sorry:

but OpenBGPd is making a comeback. We have built ours on OpenBGPd and are loving it.

What OS and what hardware?

I played with it on a PC just to see how it worked but it's been a while. Would be cool to deploy that on OpenBSD on beefy hardware, should be solid based on what I've seen.

Way, way off topic, sorry:

but OpenBGPd is making a comeback. We have built ours on OpenBGPd and are loving it.

What OS and what hardware?

I played with it on a PC just to see how it worked but it's been a while. Would be cool to deploy that on OpenBSD on beefy hardware, should be solid based on what I've seen.

Running OpenBSD on Proxmox and vSphere VMs now. Well, some older Dell hardware too. Low load, so don't need much power behind it.

I think I will add another 2 cents of my thoughts ...

I would like to see some copper 10-gig ports. (or 10/100/1-gig/10-gig ports).
How about something where we have 4 SFP+ ports and all Ethernet ports are 10/100/1-gig/10-gig ports and all ports are on a switch-chip.

My reasoning for the copper 10-Gig Ethernet ports is that servers are now available with copper 10-gig Ethernet ports.

North Idaho Tom Jones

Bump, @Mikrotik can you give any details of what is potentially being planned? Are you going to be moving of the Tilera platform? Marvell? Broadcom? 2018 launch? Faster Mhz CPU's?

We only gather ideas, but there is nothing to announce yet. When we have something ready, we will announce it in our MUM conference.

@normis for me new router need to be able to handle medium/high pps during attacks. We have lot of customers that joined our DDoS protected transit service because they have 100% CPU usage and loose router access during tcp floods (ccr1036 and ccr1072 devices).

As personal experience, on our CCR1072 we're able to push 15-20Gbps on exchanges without any issue. .Is useless create >100Gbps routers capacity when 1gbps tcp can block him (like ccr1072 now).

normis, we need sfp28 and qfp28

QSFP28

Have to step in here...

the next logical step would be a SFP28 / QSFP uplink SWITCH - routing not SO much needed, you can start with an Ethernet switch (though RouterOS would be appreciated). "Cloud Core" is moving to 25gbit, not alone because Intel has no network card (that I could find) in the 10g range that supports RDMA. Shame. And the Mellanox for a similar price to the Intel 710 - are SFP28. So, next round of servers here gets 25g Ethernet.

Cheapest switch I could find is https://www.fs.com/products/69375.html - 48 SFP28 and 6 QSFP for uplink. Which is too large for MY needs - a 16+2 port would be enough. Still, that things runs at 5000USD. WIthout OS - which adds significantly. On the plus side it is an ONIE switch, so you can choose the OS to use (hint: Mikrotik ONIE would be nice, handles flexible hardware). There is one free from MS, but it is db driven (no config command line, pulls config from a database - VERY nice for a large setup, they use that on Azure, but very limited on smaller scale setups). There is a smalle rversion (18xSFP28, 4xQSFP28) that costs around 6000 complete with OS.

We are working on some future high speed routers with around 100Gbit throughput, and we would like your input on what types of ports you would want to see in such devices.
If you imagine a device with around 16 ports (just an example), how many of them would you want to be (just examples, you can add your own ideas):

SFP+ (10G)
SFP28 (25G)
QSFP (4x10G)
10Gbit copper (10G)
Management with PoE

Let us know in the replies here

That is great, I hope you can launch a router with at least 4 QSPF ports.

We are working on some future high speed routers with around 100Gbit throughput, and we would like your input on what types of ports you would want to see in such devices.
If you imagine a device with around 16 ports (just an example), how many of them would you want to be (just examples, you can add your own ideas):

SFP+ (10G)
SFP28 (25G)
QSFP (4x10G)
10Gbit copper (10G)
Management with PoE

Let us know in the replies here

Question re "...routers with around 100Gbit throughput..."
To better understand the question and better formulate a response, I would like to ask what type/brand of CPU(s) are being considered to acheive 100Gbit routed L3 throughput ?

North Idaho Tom Jones

I would be amazing to have this Mikrotik switch:
24 SFP
4SFP+ (10G)
Two gigabit copper ports
We want to upgrade our network and replace Alcatel switches with Mikrotk.

12 x SFP+ (10G)
4 x QSFP (4x10G)
1 x Management (no PoE)
1 x serial management

second that.

For example,

I working now on a project for vip-class residential high-rise buildings. And we planning to make 10GFTTH. What we want to have on one site:

1. Stackable switch (Layer 2 and Layer 3 switching) for 500 SFP+ ports (in total) and 10x100Gb ports for uplink, with 128 Gb/s cross-connection between switches (connecting as ring).

2. For apartments we need user router with 2 (or 4) SFP+, 6 ports 10GBASE-T, and 10 ports GBASE-T (maybe few RS485 for telemetry, IoT, alarms).

3. Something like UBNT UAP-XG (bgn/ac/Wave2, if it will also have /ad this will be good) with real seamless WiFi roaming.

This APs and router will installed in apartments as defaults.

it has been more than one years, still don't see 100G port router from mikrotik, any new update?

Any news about this one? Any hints, any signs? Any rumors?
Back to CPUs/ASICs: Cavium´s Thunder X2 or Octeon TX look great.

=> list price for 32 core Cavium´s CN9980 is $1795

What's the status on these new router models?

We are working on some future high speed routers with around 100Gbit throughput, and we would like your input on what types of ports you would want to see in such devices.
If you imagine a device with around 16 ports (just an example), how many of them would you want to be (just examples, you can add your own ideas):

SFP+ (10G)
SFP28 (25G)
QSFP (4x10G)
10Gbit copper (10G)
Management with PoE

Let us know in the replies here

6x10Gbit Copper, 4xSFP+, 2xSFP28

The 40G we use still requires LC.

If 40G switching is already good for CPE, I think core would need 100G.

40gig is older generation now. No new gear is coming out with 40G on it any more, everything new is 100G QSFP28 as the chipsets cost the same whether they have 40G or 100G ports.

Also, the carrier/service provider industry has never embraced 40G, it has always been 10G, 25G, 100G, 200G and now 400G.

You could buy a small Ryzen NAS and a couple 40G cards for your home. You cannot do that with 100G.

I did not say 40G for the datacenter.

If you can plug a 40G cable into the 100G port and a small router/switch does not become much more expensive, 100G would be preferred for such a device, as one SSD is enough to saturate 40G. But that is not the subject of the discussion.

Hi!

I think you first need to learn how to make stackable hardware.

WBR,
Fyodor.

Hi!

I think you first need to learn how to make stackable hardware.

WBR,
Fyodor.

Which other routers are stackable ?

Good day!
Here is my idea

1) The main thing is that the router should have power supply modules like on CCR1072 (48v + 48v, 48v + 220v, 220v + 220v)
2) The router should have a minimum of 8x10GB (SFP +) and a 2x40GB interface. And so, you can create a router with 8x10GB (SFP +) and a slot for modules with interfaces 2x25GB or 2x40GB or 2x25GB + 2x40GB interface.
3) A CPU that will, without any problems, handle this interface volume on the switching ~ 320/480/960GB router. Because with this amount of data, many will use Mikrotik CCRxxxx as a core router with BGP Full View.
4) You can increase the size of the router by 2U or 3U. Not so much difference between 1U or 2U or 3U.

Best Regards.

Given that there are switch chips and encryption chip, how about other types of specialized ASICs to further offload the cpu and give the boxes better performance.

A firewall chip perhaps??


Sent from my cell phone. Sorry for the errors.

Given that there are switch chips and encryption chip, how about other types of specialized ASICs to further offload the cpu and give the boxes better performance.

A firewall chip perhaps??


Sent from my cell phone. Sorry for the errors.

Switch chips typically have ACL capabilities built-in.

Given that there are switch chips and encryption chip, how about other types of specialized ASICs to further offload the cpu and give the boxes better performance.

A firewall chip perhaps??


Sent from my cell phone. Sorry for the errors.

Switch chips typically have ACL capabilities built-in.

Limited to layer 2 I assume??

Sent from my cell phone. Sorry for the errors.

When it comes to future new features on new designs of Mikrotik devices ,...

I would like to propose:
#1: CRS (Bad Boy)
- An Intel XEON processor on a motherboard (fast clock with lots of CPU cache & ability to disable CPU hyper-threading)
- Zero 1-Gig ports (no 1-Gig only ports)
- Qty ten SFP+ (10-Gig) ports
- Qty 4 10-gig Ethernet ports (copper)
- A card slot for an optional faster-than-10-Gig I/O card that can be inserted later)
- All I/O ports use a single switch chip
--- Designed for maximum performance ---

#2: CRS (Bad Boy's little brother)
- Zero 1-Gig ports (no 1-Gig only ports)
- Qty ten SFP+ (10-Gig) ports
- Qty 4 10-gig Ethernet ports (copper)
- A card slot for an optional faster-than-10-Gig I/O card that can be inserted later)
- All I/O ports use a single switch chip
--- Designed to be cost effective ---

North Idaho Tom Jones

I apologize, but the name of the topic about the "high speed router", and not on the switch...

I apologize, but the name of the topic about the "high speed router", and not on the switch...

So , I am assuming that you think/feel that a hardware switch-chip and/or a XEON processor and/or 10-Gig SFP+ and/or 10-Gig copper-ethernet ports and/or a faster than 10-Gig expansion slot would would not make a router run faster for Layer 1, Layer 2 and Layer 3 throughput ?

It´s 01/2019: Any rumors when the new router will be released?

It´s 01/2019: Any rumors when the new router will be released?

Usually big announcements are at the EU MUM.

I would like a CCR 1036 with 4 SFP+

04/2019 is over: Any rumors when the new router will be released?

06/2019 is over: Any rumors when the new router will be released?

No need to ask every three months. Once per three years is more than enough.

Once per three years is more than enough.

LOL

Wait, which new router?

Wait, which new router?

I'm assuming the one that this thread was started for.

Thread was started to get ideas about potential requirements in hypothetical devices that may come in the future, not a specific product. To see what standards people see as becoming more needed etc.

Thread was started to get ideas about potential requirements in hypothetical devices that may come in the future, not a specific product. To see what standards people see as becoming more needed etc.

Yea. But my first wish is to make interfaces work perfect which are there. I still cant see how flow control is negotiated. It happens flow control is not negotiated at all. And I often have the problem with negotiation on sfp interfaces. I need to disable/enable an interface after reboot (made a script) to make it work.

Imho it is senseless to buy a high speed router with e.g. QSFP+ with only basic Ethernet functionality.

(As WISP I would like to see a bigger/more powerful powerbox pro (which is a great device) with SFP+ (or integrated LC-Singlemode plugs), and mixed 24/48V POE ports).

I would like a CCR 1036 with 4 SFP+

This.

Hi, great thread.
I would love to see SFP28 and QSFP28 with support ofcourse for SFP+/SFP. Something like the crs317 but with SFP28 instead of SFP+ plus 2 QSFP28.

Interesting thread. I would like 2-4 QSFP ports with 24 SFP+ ports that are both 1 and 10 Gig capable. For the CPE HAP ac's etc a VOIP port RJ11 connection.

Interesting thread. I would like 2-4 QSFP ports with 24 SFP+ ports that are both 1 and 10 Gig capable. For the CPE HAP ac's etc a VOIP port RJ11 connection.

Ehm, that 2-4 QSFP ports and 24 SFP+ already exists:
https://mikrotik.com/product/crs326_24s_2q_rm

AFAIK, mikrotik supports 1G and 10G SFPs in SFP+ ports.(Atleast it does in the CRS317)

Ooops. Missed that shopping time

Hi,

One thing I notice is that MT like with the new CCR2xxx has 2 faster ports, but I would say 4 would be required.

2 ports only makes it possible to build rings, but with 4 or more meshing is possible. For me 4 would be enough normally.

/Mikael

Joarc I am holding off I would like to see 100G upstream with 10 SFP+ down feeding 1 SFP+ to 10 1G SFP or 2 SFP+ to 20 1G SFP routers for feeding customers with 1G capability. The 40G modules are not that common I can see the 25G-50G-100G-200G route prevailing in the long term and end up with the modules coming down in price lower than 40G units.
New 5 mile fiber backbone going in March this year and I said I was retiring 5 years ago. With luck new routers/switches available for me!!! Time to wake up LOL.

My penny's worth

Richard

I have 10 New HP servers and all have 10gb and 25GB ports. Our Current HPE switches do not have 25gb support. Which Mikrotik Switches support this? I was unable to see this standard on the routerboard site.

QSFP28
SFP28

Any update on this?

We need something better than 1072? or a 1072 with 40G/100G

I would love a SFP version of the RB4011iGS+RM 20 SFP ports instead of RJ45 as none of my customers are within ethernet range of my cabs. I cant be the only one in this boat. 2 x SFP+ and 20 SFP would be ideal.

2 x SFP+ (10G)
2 x 10Gbit copper (10G)
1 x Management with PoE

99% of locations I manage are using only 1 ISP, thus most multi port routers are pretty much empty (only using two ports because switches on RBs are crap)

Hi Normis,

The CCR2004-1G-2XS-PCIe smart PCIe network interface card is finally here.
Are there plans to release an updated fw with an RDMA Engine and driver?

Br