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Reformat hold button max, why not for all devices?

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:49 pm
by hurymak
On cloud core 1009 i can set reformat-hold-button-max 78s
go into settings and apply protected routerboard checkbox and no error.
But on smaller devices, map lite or metal or RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT i can not, it says that current routerboard does not allow for hold button max.
(all is updateted and most recent firmware and routeros and routerboard, 6.41)
Why?
I also want to protect cheaper devices, not only the expensive ones.

Re: Reformat hold button max, why not for all devices?

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:05 am
by rextended
On cloud core 1009 i can set reformat-hold-button-max 78s
go into settings and apply protected routerboard checkbox and no error.
But on smaller devices, map lite or metal or RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT i can not, it says that current routerboard does not allow for hold button max.
(all is updateted and most recent firmware and routeros and routerboard, 6.41)
Why?
I also want to protect cheaper devices, not only the expensive ones.
Put the results of command
/sys resource pri
/sys rou pri
inside RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT here.

Re: Reformat hold button max, why not for all devices?

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:35 pm
by hurymak
 version: 6.41.4 (stable)
               build-time: Apr/05/2018 12:23:55
              free-memory: 108.7MiB
             total-memory: 128.0MiB
                      cpu: MIPS 74Kc V4.12
                cpu-count: 1
            cpu-frequency: 600MHz
                 cpu-load: 30%
           free-hdd-space: 110.6MiB
          total-hdd-space: 128.0MiB
  write-sect-since-reboot: 189
         write-sect-total: 983
               bad-blocks: 0.4%
        architecture-name: mipsbe
               board-name: RB951G-2HnD
                 platform: MikroTik

				 routerboard: yes
             model: 951G-2HnD
     serial-number: xxxxxxxxxxx
     firmware-type: ar9344
  factory-firmware: 3.24
  current-firmware: 6.41.4
  upgrade-firmware: 6.41.4

anyway, as i checked on 1009 i can not also, i thought i can but it says that protected routerboard is not supported

1009:
 routerboard: yes
             model: CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+
     serial-number: xxxxxx
     firmware-type: tilegx
  factory-firmware: 3.22
  current-firmware: 6.41.3
  upgrade-firmware: 6.41.3
why cant i enable reformat hold max button?

Re: Reformat hold button max, why not for all devices?

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:32 pm
by pe1chl

Re: Reformat hold button max, why not for all devices?

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:08 pm
by hurymak
i read it, and when i set reformat hold button max, after pressing apply or set protected to enabled,
it says that hold button max is not supported.
why?

Re: Reformat hold button max, why not for all devices?

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:15 pm
by pe1chl
Because you did not read it well enough. Especially the first bullet.

The backup RouterBOOT version can not be older than v3.24 version. A special package is provided to upgrade the backup RouterBOOT (DANGEROUS). Newer devices will have this new backup loader already installed at the factory. Download the package for:

MIPSBE platform here SMIPS platform here MMIPS platform here TILE platform here.

Re: Reformat hold button max, why not for all devices?

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:26 pm
by hurymak
Because you did not read it well enough. Especially the first bullet.

The backup RouterBOOT version can not be older than v3.24 version. A special package is provided to upgrade the backup RouterBOOT (DANGEROUS). Newer devices will have this new backup loader already installed at the factory. Download the package for:

MIPSBE platform here SMIPS platform here MMIPS platform here TILE platform here.
I still dont understand, i have version 6.41.4 so it is newest.
Also protected router board enables, it is enabled, only max hold is not supported.
what should i do exactly?
i even tried to install this package, installed, ok, but still - protected routerboard function as it should, but hold max button is not supported.

Re: Reformat hold button max, why not for all devices?

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:36 am
by normis
the device has to have the new bootloader in it's hardware built in. the button causes the system to load the factory bootloader. this is why I said in the other thread, you must wait until the devices are manufactured with the new bootloader

Re: Reformat hold button max, why not for all devices?

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:57 am
by pe1chl
Isn't that "hardware boot loader" fixed by the above procedure? That is what I understood from the above wiki page.

Re: Reformat hold button max, why not for all devices?

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:13 am
by rextended
Because you did not read it well enough. Especially the first bullet.

The backup RouterBOOT version can not be older than v3.24 version. A special package is provided to upgrade the backup RouterBOOT (DANGEROUS). Newer devices will have this new backup loader already installed at the factory. Download the package for:

MIPSBE platform here SMIPS platform here MMIPS platform here TILE platform here.
I still dont understand, i have version 6.41.4 so it is newest.
Also protected router board enables, it is enabled, only max hold is not supported.
what should i do exactly?
i even tried to install this package, installed, ok, but still - protected routerboard function as it should, but hold max button is not supported.
YOU MUST UPGRADE FACTORY BIOS (factory-firmware) version to use protected RouterBOOT functions!!!
You know the differencies between Software (RouterOS) and BIOS (Firmware / RouterBOOT)?
You have 3.22 factory firmware and must be updated to correctly use protected RouterBOOT (RouterBOOT is not RouterOS)
Follow my guide, is not perfect because I do not know english, but if you READ ALL is useful:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=94303&start=50#p580430

model RB951G-2HnD, mipsbe, firmware-type ar9344, the factory RouterBOOT is upgradable to 3.41? YES

model: CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+, tile, firmware-type: tilegx, the factory RouterBOOT is upgradable to 3.41? YES

Re: Reformat hold button max, why not for all devices?

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:17 am
by normis
the wiki manual includes NPK files that upgrade factory bootloader, this will resolve the issue. let me know if you did that or not.

1. upgrade RouterOS
2. upgrade routerboot with "/system routerboard upgrade"
3. upgrade factory bootloader with the NPK in the manual.

Re: Reformat hold button max, why not for all devices?

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:20 am
by rextended
the wiki manual includes NPK files that upgrade factory bootloader, this will resolve the issue. let me know if you did that or not.

1. upgrade RouterOS
2. upgrade routerboot with "/system routerboard upgrade"
3. upgrade factory bootloader with the NPK in the manual.
My guide is better for understand how to update (for example, for use NPK current-firmware must be 3.41 and RouterOS 6.40.7), but I'm not well on english to update the wiki... ;)
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=94303&start=50#p580430

Re: Reformat hold button max, why not for all devices?

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:42 pm
by hurymak
the wiki manual includes NPK files that upgrade factory bootloader, this will resolve the issue. let me know if you did that or not.

1. upgrade RouterOS
2. upgrade routerboot with "/system routerboard upgrade"
3. upgrade factory bootloader with the NPK in the manual.
There are no NPK files, only DPK.
typo or am i missing something?

No, it still not working according to your guide.

I did this:
upgrade routeros, upgrade rputerboard, drop file
https://www.mikrotik.com/download/share ... mipsbe.dpk
into winbox
reboot:

Image


result is i still can not use max hold button.
why?
?
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Re: Reformat hold button max, why not for all devices?

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:44 pm
by hurymak
should i try @rextended guide?

will it change anything?


everything works fine, after pressing reset button shorter than hold time, it does not do anything.
But i want also that MAX HOLD button to work as wiki says, and this red error says that it does not apply here.

Again:
PROTECTED ROUTERBOARD: WORKS
reformat-hold-button: WORKS
reformat-hold-button-max - does NOT works.

I want reformat-hold-button-max to work.

Re: Reformat hold button max, why not for all devices?

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:07 pm
by hurymak
Ok, the guide is as @rextended post.
Doing anything on routeros 6.41.4 does NOT UPGRADE factory firmware.

So to do it i have to be on 6.40.7 and fw 3.41, now it works fine:
no error message, all is supported:
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Re: Reformat hold button max, why not for all devices?

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:50 pm
by hurymak
So wiki says now:
The backup RouterBOOT version can not be older than v3.24 version. A special package is provided to upgrade the backup RouterBOOT (DANGEROUS). Newer devices will have this new backup loader already installed at the factory. Download the package for:
MIPSBE platform here SMIPS platform here MMIPS platform here TILE platform here.
and it should be CHANGED TO:
The backup RouterBOOT version can not be older than v3.24 version.
To use all protected routerboard features you have to have RouterBOOT =>3.38.3 as FACTORY FIRMWARE.

A special package is provided to upgrade the backup RouterBOOT (DANGEROUS). Newer devices will have this new backup loader already installed at the factory. Download the package for:
MIPSBE platform here SMIPS platform here MMIPS platform here TILE platform here.

To use it you have to be running on RouterOS 6.40.7 and firmware 3.41.
1.Install routeros 6.40.7
2.Go to System Routerboard upgrade firmware to have 3.41
3.Reboot
4.Download above DPK package
5.Drop this dpk package to winbox
6.Reboot.
7.Now you have Factory firmware 3.41 and you can upgrade your routeros to newest version from System->Packages.
All functionality of protected routerboard is now enabled.