BartoszP, being corona-isolated too long and maybe feeling a bit cranky today? Kisses and hugs to you! :)

get lost you all :)
I've registered on this forum just to clarify my misunderstanding,
was confused about last digits in release numbers
Sorry for disturbing hi-qualified professionals with this miserable question

Autist, don't you bother about persons that sometime get upset for nothing. The absolute majority in this forum are very nice and helpful people so please stay with us. BartoszP probably just needs a big hug to get human again, don't you think! :)

6.46.7 was a very stable version. Installed immediately after release and ran without problems or reboot.
Hopefully 6.46.8 is similarly stable.
Installation already without problems on the CCR1009

-faxxe

Autist, don't you bother about persons that sometime get upset for nothing.

I am one of this nice guy, trying to help out whenever I can, BUT I am also one that get irritated when quoting the quoting the quote....

The problem is that some does not know how to post before get educated, or they just does not see the big POST REPLY at the bottom of the post.

Quote should normally be used in two cases.
1. Pick the part of a post above to show what you do respond to. (can be multiple section)
2. Respond to a post that is not directly above, to make sure that other understand what to reply to.

Do never ever quote the whole post directly above you. Does not give any sense to do...

Updated a few devices last night without any issues so far. Previous version was 6.45.9. So far these seems to be working (at least for me): cAP, RMB33G and RB951Ui-2nD. Will wait a few more days before rest will be upgraded as well.

1. Pick the part of a post above to show what you do respond to. (can be multiple section)
2. Respond to a post that is not directly above, to make sure that other understand what to reply to.
Do never ever quote the whole post directly above you. Does not give any sense to do...

Well, forum etiquette is not something you are born with. And in this particular case it's nothing to pay attention to compared to the BLOB'ed reply. It's something you need to consider, especially regarding how to treat new forum users. Being nice spreads good vibes for everyone, Cheers!

OT but ...
maybe I am too irritable but I CAN'T UNDERSTAND why quoting whole PRECEDING post is assumed to be a better answer than just sending a short comment?
Why pushing "Post reply" is avoided by readers but "Reply with quote" is not? Do they think that others are unable to follow the stream of information?
I ( and We) have to look through whole quotation to find a few words sentence. These two posts occupy whole FullHD screen.

1229 x 727 pixels ain't anywhere near FullHD, display scaling on your tiny display doesn't count.
Cheers.

OT but ...
maybe I am too irritable but I CAN'T UNDERSTAND why quoting whole PRECEDING post is assumed to be a better answer than just sending a short comment?
Why pushing "Post reply" is avoided by readers but "Reply with quote" is not? Do they think that others are unable to follow the stream of information?
I ( and We) have to look through whole quotation to find a few words sentence. These two posts occupy whole FullHD screen.

But the fact that the "+Post Reply" is on a total different place and different color , even mostly off-screen when somebody adds a large attachment, does not help to have people select that bottom button. It is visually not related to the thread, as it is below the "Display posts from previous: All posts Sort by Post time/ Ascending" line.

Actually I use the quote button and then deleted or trim the quote ... sometimes to find out that there has come another answer in between ... so I have to re-copy the quote before sending.

By the way since 24 hours the mail reminders are missing. They where in the spam folder hours before the point in time where they did not arrive at all. Forum mailserver added somewhere to a spam blacklist?

To me it rather seems it finally started working as intended

Yes it's back. But I had multiple replies in "Your Posts" between 29 oct and 3 nov. No mail, nothing in the local SPAM folder. The ISP must have blocked it. This is mostly if the sending mailserver is in some blacklist. My ISP is probably also using "grey listing", so a mail that is not retried will never arrive. (My mailbox is part of my ISP subscription.)

Is there a place to post about the forum itself ??

maybe I am too irritable but I CAN'T UNDERSTAND why quoting whole PRECEDING post is assumed to be a better answer than just sending a short comment?

You're not alone.

Excessive quoting can be sort of understandable in release threads and such, because they usually contain several sub-topics. And even with preceding post, perhaps poster may be affraid that someone else will manage to post something else before they finish writing theirs, and then the reply won't be directly after original post and will lose context. I think it's still not good reason to quote whole post, but ok, it's not the worst thing.

But then you have people who start their own personal thread about something, where they get responses from just one other person, and they still quote whole posts. I will never undestand that, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I'm glad I'm not moderator, because I'd be very tempted to do something with that and I could easily go overboard.

And best of all, get two or more overquoters together, and watch them quote everything, it's a wonderful sight, two screens of quotes and then one new sentence after that. And same for next post. I've seen it few times, and I don't even bother reading such threads, it's too much for me.

bpwl

Is there a place to post about the forum itself ??

I think the General topic is the most common use for Forum itself problems. Maybe PM to admin's group :).

Few chaotic thinks...
For me good Feature Request should be Community FAQ sections.
I remember times when at Linux Forums we have a [HowTo] thread, FAQ posts... know more now at car forums with [PhotoStory]..
We can write some big threads and do some new post with "reservation" for future.
Old WIKI was in old days more open for edition by PowerUsers :).

I think do some one post as HowTo about LTE stuff because I have a big colections of my answers who are my KB for answering.. .

Maybe new documentation at JIRA will be one official and the wiki will be more open again.

Useful user articles seem to be good place for howtos and FAQs. It just needs a little cleanup from time to time, currently half of existing threads shouldn't be there.

I must add here that for me the understanding the simple edit at that forum was long process... bcs using that elements

is complex with differ EMPTY LINES as breakers, before and after them and it's even differ per elements.
Thats why my first post have got "." <- dot char between every of them and I not must press that Preview every and every time.


Now I just use always 2 empty lines and ignore is this is ugly or beautiful.


Second stuff on using "[ quote ][ /quote ]" is just using them. People like be lazy :) Move that [ /quote ] to upper part of big quote, paste 2 enters as separators, answer with breaking the quote into parts is just job not for lazy Layer 8 users :)

Summary: For proper use quote feature you must be like teacher who like his job and will bear extra work

It is true that it takes some skills (and seems more importantly: time) to nicely format a post on this forum. However I'm in the camp of those who prefer short quotes. And I still believe that pressing "Quote" button and then deleting anything not really relevant from block of quoted text should not be too hard for any forum user. As other users said, it is nice to see a reply with many shor quotes and answer written directly below quoted text ... really helps to understand the context of answers.

However, I find that excessive quoting now days seems to became a norm ... I'm regularly receiving e-mails with long quoting history ... but there quoted text is usually after the reply. Something like 25 years ago intelligent quoting was a norm in e-mail correspondence, but it seems that etiquette diminished with inrush of corporate users to (then) military and academic internet.

Where does that different layout come from? Browser? App? OS related ?
See mine (Windows10, Chrome browser). The "+Post reply" is separated from the post itself , etc

So you had the power to strip the quote from the post that irritated you and warn the user about this bad practice a little more subtle, but instead you decided to post your offtopic rant, as a moderator...

I believe you get much better attention if promote what you love instead of bashing what you hate. May I suggest the following comment or something similar:

(btw, is there one?)

Cheers!

oldfashioned silver theme which is just shorter.

With the old theme its easy to see what thread you have posted inn. I do not think you see that at all on the default theme.

Look at the small red star at the post icon on the top post at the "Does Quoting ....."
You can see with new style that I have read the post, but not posted in it, for me this is important.

Thx Sindy & others. "silver" theme is better. And reply button on a logical place.

Yes, it's the best, functional, space saving, doesn't burn your eyes out, etc. Its only "problem" is that it's old, it (or something like it, I'm not sure) was default theme since almost twenty years ago, and I can understand that some may want something new, fresh, prettier, but in this case the good old thing still wins.

(btw, is there one?)

Like viewtopic.php?f=3&t=45259 ? :)

I start teaching them, the newbie..

:)

Do you know the rule GIGO? Garbage In, Garbage Out

well, I'm more of a shit in, shit out man :) Chers

Perhaps it's partly a generational thing; at least generational on the 'net if not by actual age. I've been around long enough to recall core storage (just), dial up BBSs on baud rates not measured in kilos (and mega wasn't even dreamed of), and best of all usenet when it was actually used by people for other than porn and piracy.

I prefer to keep quotes, if they are needed at all for clarity, short and often edit them (carefully so as not to lose context and offend the quotee) to the point I'm replying. A long multiquote makes it so much harder to follow the thread of discussion and wears out my scroll wheel. Often I won't even read a post with a big multiquote; not even the final reply. I just skip it and move on to the next post unless I really need the information there. Back in the day, with slow speeds, low resolutions and more expensive server storage and bandwidth, it was perhaps far more important and we all worked like that because it was necessary.

There are some forums I use that enforce rules such as limited multiquotes and especially not quoting the post directly above at all. They are easier, quicker and more pleasant to read; a more efficient use of my time.

Of course, we haven't even mentioned 'top quoting' or 'bottom quoting' yet, or using (now)old-fashioned SMS-originated abbreviations in posts... those things can start a small war!

As to 'made for mobile' layouts, I abhor them. They are another thing we can largely blame google for with their threats of lowering search rankings for websites that aren't 'mobile friendly'. It's a shame that hardly anyone seems able to make a website that functions well on both mobiles and PCs; so many of them are just broken on a PC now.

Over-quoting prohibition is part of netiquette. Netiquette is almost dead as Internet became platform not for engineers and scientists only, but for everyone. As soon as speed of life increased, quality of discussions decreased, traffic costs nothing (and channels are wide), over-quoting become "normal" behaviour, sometimes by mistakes, sometimes because "nobody cares" anymore. Indeed, it's easier to scroll than report to mods like in good old times.
PS: I did not read posts above, because I even would not want to know what I may read here :))) it's just a reply to topicstarter.

The overquotes I "love" much are like:

How many fingers do you have?

By the way, if you stand on your head, what do you feel?

Did you try to stop?

8

I.e. the answer is for the first question, while all three are quoted and ignored.

Now I understand a lot of things...

The problem is the button "FAR AWAY".
It loses importance...

The "quote" button appear to be the natural function to write a reply to the newbie
and also from some distracted forum guru (or who ignore it because they don't bother him the quotes)
and often it is not laziness that does not delete the excess parts in a quotation,
but it appears as perfectly normal that there is the whole quoted piece above ...

Near-Solution
add a confirmation popup "you really want quote?" when try to quote...
surely discourages the use of quote than "post reply"

and put the button "post reply" on right place, instead far away from the last post
on unusual and strange position, surely NOT ergonomic

Since MikroTik do use phpBB, everything can be tweaked.
Here is one thread about quoting.
https://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtop ... #p15506426

You concord on what I have wrote? :)

Please stop harassing forum users about this question. It is more annoying than quotes. Thanks.

...

Simply change on the phpbb administrator panel the limit of nested quotes from 5 to 2?

This change might help but not in most of cases. It seems that one of typical Reply abuses is when users hit Reply to a lengthy post just to express their agreement (one-liner). Reducing number of nested quotes wouldn't help in this case.

OTOH sometimes it is really useful to be able to nest more than one layer of quotes (but indeed not very often).

But a reply to one-liner do not report again the 3rd nested long post if the one-liner reply to the reply...

My view on this matter is that no amount of automated restrictions will make this problem go away (and keep forum usable for discussions), the only feasible way is to enforce certain level of netiquette on users. I'm with @BartoszP on that, I just don't know if his way of doing it is the best (but I can't judge, I'm not forum moderator).

If still necessary the 3rd, 4th and 5th layer of quotes,
I have doubts about the intelligence of people who do not remember what they wrote before
or the laziness of going to review the third layer...

Also smile are disabled, but if is needed:
   फ
¯\_(ツ)_/¯


For me limiting the max nested quote to 2
and
set a message >Please not abuse [OK]< when press the "

Solve the problem because the users are lazy and prefer skip mesage pressing "+ Post Reply" instead...

Why not just remove the quote button, so when you like to quote, you need t do it manually with [ quote][ /quote]

I just found out that I can remove email when some quote me ....

At this point why not use cleartext and remove HTML?
Also why strikeout is missing, and must be done manually?

Please stop harassing forum users about this question. It is more annoying than quotes. Thanks.

AMEN @normis AMEN

IMO, the quote feature is very useful and People should learn how to edit quotes so that this capability is used properly. Unfortunately many are too lazy to learn how to use QUOTES properly.

@normis, please re-enable the :-)

Smilies are still on for signature, but do agree that it should be open for normal posting :)

😊

It's about :mrgreen: the unicode 🧔 works indipendenlty... :)

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I Insist: Simply change on the phpbb administrator panel the limit of max nested quotes from 5 to 2...

My view on this matter is that I just don't know, I can't judge!

Yes, I concur with your analysis ! ;-PP

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Is this a trick? Line 4 is actually the same length as line 1 right??

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Is this a trick? Line 4 is actually the same length as line 1 right??

You quote and the 5 disappear, I quote and the 4 disappar, set limit from 5 to 2 remove 99% of useless overquote....

Nice, but wasted a good joke I had to edit my text (remove Five and put Four) because part of the quote disappeared, like an argentinian govt protestor dropped from a C130 over the Atlantic.

Decreased nesting level, enabled smilies, have fun and stop arguing

Thank you, but I guess there always will be Troll that find some to argue about.

Decreased nesting level, enabled smilies, have fun and stop arguing

Thank you for accepting my suggestion!

Good work.

Good, wrong, good. Good is using the reply button and you see a link in your posting, linking directly to the posting you are replying to. Wrong...you know.
In each posting there is as reply and a quote button. The reply button put the link at the top of your posting so you don't have to seek to what posting you are replying.

Also this forum can do that, but I do not understand why quote heder and strikeout are striked out...

It's about the unicode works indipendenlty...

I know, I know, but... Mr. Green is 9 bytes of text + 1.6kB (incl. http headers), while is 4 bytes

P.S. Omg, enabling smilies changes how emojis are displayed %)

Ops...
because the phpbb change unicode to:
<img alt="$$$unichar$$$" class="emoji smilies" draggable="false" src="//twemoji.maxcdn.com/2/svg/$$$hexunicharvalue$$$.svg">

Now I understand why the smileys were turned off.
For now, if there is no abuse, it is better to ignore it, right?

@normis

Can you reduce number of topics pr page (currently 500), to example 100.
Same for post pr topics (currently 300), to example 50
Forum would load faster and I do not need to see post several years old

Administrator->General->Board configuration->Post settings->Topics pr page. Default is 25
Administrator->General->Board configuration->Post settings->Post pr page. Default is 10

Forum loads slowly for you? Are you not using a MikroTik router?

Off course I do use MT routers, have some of them ....

For me it OK, loads ok, but long to scroll to and do not need all the old threads.
Reducing number of pages/topics will also reduce load on your webserver.

Forum loads slowly for you? Are you not using a MikroTik router?

He is probably using MT wif5 to access internet

Forum loads slowly for you? Are you not using a MikroTik router?

It's more of slow database calls in the back-end, it is slow even for me on multiple machines with plenty of CPU, RAM, GPU and good network setup with end-to-end functional PMTUD for both IPv4 and IPv6.

He is probably using MT wif5 to access internet

Nope, I do use a Cisco 3702i as Wifi.

I use Audience 1st revision

I use Audience 1st revision

No fair using wifi 5+.
I raise you wif6 (eap 660hd)