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Does quouting quotes of quotes in consecutive post make any sense?

Tue Nov 03, 2020 5:44 pm

Maybe I am too irritable but I CAN'T UNDERSTAND why quoting whole PRECEDING post is assumed to be a better answer than just sending a short comment?
Why pushing "Post reply" is avoided by readers but "Reply with quote" is not? Do they think that others are unable to follow the stream of information?
I ( and We) have to look through whole quotation to find a few words sentence. These two posts occupy whole FullHD screen.
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Re: v6.46.8 [long-term] is released!

Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:02 pm

BartoszP, being corona-isolated too long and maybe feeling a bit cranky today? Kisses and hugs to you! :)
 
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Re: v6.46.8 [long-term] is released!

Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:19 pm

get lost you all :)
I've registered on this forum just to clarify my misunderstanding,
was confused about last digits in release numbers
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Re: v6.46.8 [long-term] is released!

Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:35 pm

Autist, don't you bother about persons that sometime get upset for nothing. The absolute majority in this forum are very nice and helpful people so please stay with us. BartoszP probably just needs a big hug to get human again, don't you think! :)
 
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Re: v6.46.8 [long-term] is released!

Tue Nov 03, 2020 7:34 pm

6.46.7 was a very stable version. Installed immediately after release and ran without problems or reboot.
Hopefully 6.46.8 is similarly stable.
Installation already without problems on the CCR1009

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Re: v6.46.8 [long-term] is released!

Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:09 pm

Autist, don't you bother about persons that sometime get upset for nothing.
I am one of this nice guy, trying to help out whenever I can, BUT I am also one that get irritated when quoting the quoting the quote....

The problem is that some does not know how to post before get educated, or they just does not see the big POST REPLY at the bottom of the post.

Quote should normally be used in two cases.
1. Pick the part of a post above to show what you do respond to. (can be multiple section)
2. Respond to a post that is not directly above, to make sure that other understand what to reply to.

Do never ever quote the whole post directly above you. Does not give any sense to do...
 
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Re: v6.46.8 [long-term] is released!

Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:44 pm

Updated a few devices last night without any issues so far. Previous version was 6.45.9. So far these seems to be working (at least for me): cAP, RMB33G and RB951Ui-2nD. Will wait a few more days before rest will be upgraded as well.
 
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Re: v6.46.8 [long-term] is released!

Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:59 pm

1. Pick the part of a post above to show what you do respond to. (can be multiple section)
2. Respond to a post that is not directly above, to make sure that other understand what to reply to.
Do never ever quote the whole post directly above you. Does not give any sense to do...
Well, forum etiquette is not something you are born with. And in this particular case it's nothing to pay attention to compared to the BLOB'ed reply. It's something you need to consider, especially regarding how to treat new forum users. Being nice spreads good vibes for everyone, Cheers!
 
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Re: v6.46.8 [long-term] is released!

Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:42 pm

OT but ...
maybe I am too irritable but I CAN'T UNDERSTAND why quoting whole PRECEDING post is assumed to be a better answer than just sending a short comment?
Why pushing "Post reply" is avoided by readers but "Reply with quote" is not? Do they think that others are unable to follow the stream of information?
I ( and We) have to look through whole quotation to find a few words sentence. These two posts occupy whole FullHD screen.
1229 x 727 pixels ain't anywhere near FullHD, display scaling on your tiny display doesn't count.
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Re: v6.46.8 [long-term] is released!

Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:47 pm

OT but ...
maybe I am too irritable but I CAN'T UNDERSTAND why quoting whole PRECEDING post is assumed to be a better answer than just sending a short comment?
Why pushing "Post reply" is avoided by readers but "Reply with quote" is not? Do they think that others are unable to follow the stream of information?
I ( and We) have to look through whole quotation to find a few words sentence. These two posts occupy whole FullHD screen.
But the fact that the "+Post Reply" is on a total different place and different color , even mostly off-screen when somebody adds a large attachment, does not help to have people select that bottom button. It is visually not related to the thread, as it is below the "Display posts from previous: All posts Sort by Post time/ Ascending" line.

Actually I use the quote button and then deleted or trim the quote ... sometimes to find out that there has come another answer in between ... so I have to re-copy the quote before sending.

By the way since 24 hours the mail reminders are missing. They where in the spam folder hours before the point in time where they did not arrive at all. Forum mailserver added somewhere to a spam blacklist?
 
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Re: v6.46.8 [long-term] is released!

Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:55 pm

@Znevna:
Do you want to disscuss? I'm nice. Just asking.
It is only snippet of "invaluable" data as an example. Maybe a I've "zoomed" it to make a screenshot smaller?
Consider that browser window frame/border "eats" many pixels, There is a OS tool bar on the screen. There is "favourites" bar. There is forum logo etc. If you want to help just try to focus on the problem of quoting quotes of quotes which get as long as my spaghetti pasta.
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Re: v6.46.8 [long-term] is released!

Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:57 pm

By the way since 24 hours the mail reminders are missing.
To me it rather seems it finally started working as intended - I got a notification about your post, but the last one before was about the one from @BartoszP. I did read the topic before you wrote your post. I.e. the site finally fulfils the promise in the notification body "No more notifications will be sent until you visit the topic."

So if you get nothing at all, I'd assume the reason is closer to your end. It may be a spam filter of course.
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Re: v6.46.8 [long-term] is released!

Tue Nov 03, 2020 10:07 pm

To me it rather seems it finally started working as intended
Yes it's back. But I had multiple replies in "Your Posts" between 29 oct and 3 nov. No mail, nothing in the local SPAM folder. The ISP must have blocked it. This is mostly if the sending mailserver is in some blacklist. My ISP is probably also using "grey listing", so a mail that is not retried will never arrive. (My mailbox is part of my ISP subscription.)

Is there a place to post about the forum itself ??
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Re: Does quouting quotes of quotes in consecutive post make any sense?

Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:38 pm

maybe I am too irritable but I CAN'T UNDERSTAND why quoting whole PRECEDING post is assumed to be a better answer than just sending a short comment?
You're not alone.

Excessive quoting can be sort of understandable in release threads and such, because they usually contain several sub-topics. And even with preceding post, perhaps poster may be affraid that someone else will manage to post something else before they finish writing theirs, and then the reply won't be directly after original post and will lose context. I think it's still not good reason to quote whole post, but ok, it's not the worst thing.

But then you have people who start their own personal thread about something, where they get responses from just one other person, and they still quote whole posts. I will never undestand that, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I'm glad I'm not moderator, because I'd be very tempted to do something with that and I could easily go overboard.

And best of all, get two or more overquoters together, and watch them quote everything, it's a wonderful sight, two screens of quotes and then one new sentence after that. And same for next post. I've seen it few times, and I don't even bother reading such threads, it's too much for me.
Come on people, do you really have to quote full posts? It's annoying and in most cases useless.
 
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Re: v6.46.8 [long-term] is released!

Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:15 am

bpwl
Is there a place to post about the forum itself ??
I think the General topic is the most common use for Forum itself problems. Maybe PM to admin's group :).

Few chaotic thinks...
For me good Feature Request should be Community FAQ sections.
I remember times when at Linux Forums we have a [HowTo] thread, FAQ posts... know more now at car forums with [PhotoStory]..
We can write some big threads and do some new post with "reservation" for future.
Old WIKI was in old days more open for edition by PowerUsers :).

I think do some one post as HowTo about LTE stuff because I have a big colections of my answers who are my KB for answering.. .

Maybe new documentation at JIRA will be one official and the wiki will be more open again.
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Re: Does quouting quotes of quotes in consecutive post make any sense?

Wed Nov 04, 2020 1:08 am

Useful user articles seem to be good place for howtos and FAQs. It just needs a little cleanup from time to time, currently half of existing threads shouldn't be there.
Come on people, do you really have to quote full posts? It's annoying and in most cases useless.
 
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Re: Does quouting quotes of quotes in consecutive post make any sense?

Wed Nov 04, 2020 2:44 am

Some screenshots for those who do not believe how common it is ... I searched only today active topics:
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And the best of the best viewtopic.php?p=821778#p821778
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Re: Does quouting quotes of quotes in consecutive post make any sense?

Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:08 am

I must add here that for me the understanding the simple edit at that forum was long process... bcs using that elements
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is complex with differ EMPTY LINES as breakers, before and after them and it's even differ per elements.
Thats why my first post have got "." <- dot char between every of them and I not must press that Preview every and every time.
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Now I just use always 2 empty lines and ignore is this is ugly or beautiful.


Second stuff on using "[ quote ][ /quote ]" is just using them. People like be lazy :) Move that [ /quote ] to upper part of big quote, paste 2 enters as separators, answer with breaking the quote into parts is just job not for lazy Layer 8 users :)

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Re: Does quouting quotes of quotes in consecutive post make any sense?

Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:46 am

It is true that it takes some skills (and seems more importantly: time) to nicely format a post on this forum. However I'm in the camp of those who prefer short quotes. And I still believe that pressing "Quote" button and then deleting anything not really relevant from block of quoted text should not be too hard for any forum user. As other users said, it is nice to see a reply with many shor quotes and answer written directly below quoted text ... really helps to understand the context of answers.

However, I find that excessive quoting now days seems to became a norm ... I'm regularly receiving e-mails with long quoting history ... but there quoted text is usually after the reply. Something like 25 years ago intelligent quoting was a norm in e-mail correspondence, but it seems that etiquette diminished with inrush of corporate users to (then) military and academic internet.
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Re: Does quouting quotes of quotes in consecutive post make any sense?

Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:23 am

Where does that different layout come from? Browser? App? OS related ?
See mine (Windows10, Chrome browser). The "+Post reply" is separated from the post itself , etc
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Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:33 am

Where does that different layout come from?
See Home->Forum index->User Control Panel->Board preferences->Edit global settings.

There is the "board style" item where you can choose from several ones, and each "style" affects a lot about the layout of the page and even the way how the formatting tags are interpreted.
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Re: Does quouting quotes of quotes in consecutive post make any sense?

Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:11 pm

Being a moderator I have more buttons available on the screen but I also use the oldfashioned silver theme which is just shorter.
Big avatars multilines spacing, white on white, mobile ready behaviour ... it's not for me.
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Re: Does quouting quotes of quotes in consecutive post make any sense?

Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:57 pm

So you had the power to strip the quote from the post that irritated you and warn the user about this bad practice a little more subtle, but instead you decided to post your offtopic rant, as a moderator...
 
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Re: Does quouting quotes of quotes in consecutive post make any sense?

Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:02 pm

Yes,

I am a moderator who modaretes. Not a full time editor who corrects posts of senders who do not care about posts they post.
Do you teach your kids to keep their rooms tidy or you clean these rooms all the time as they do not care?

EDIT Aug. 10th, 2022:
Seems that Znevna at last got aware of problem too and does his best to educate more and more forum users
pointing in his signature to this particular post bypassing however some crucial preceding posts of the disscussion in this topic.

Medrator should not interfere with posts as users should be sure that THEIR posts are THEIR posts.
It's a matter of trust. They should be informed but without tampering their information so it implies
answering with "off-topic post" according to Znevna's standards.
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Re: Does quouting quotes of quotes in consecutive post make any sense?

Wed Nov 04, 2020 7:03 pm

I believe you get much better attention if promote what you love instead of bashing what you hate. May I suggest the following comment or something similar:

"As a general advice please don't quote the whole answer since it makes it harder to follow the essence of the thread". Please read "http://mt/forum/etiquette.."
(btw, is there one?)

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Re: Does quouting quotes of quotes in consecutive post make any sense?

Wed Nov 04, 2020 7:38 pm

oldfashioned silver theme which is just shorter.
With the old theme its easy to see what thread you have posted inn. I do not think you see that at all on the default theme.

Look at the small red star at the post icon on the top post at the "Does Quoting ....."
You can see with new style that I have read the post, but not posted in it, for me this is important.
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Re: Does quouting quotes of quotes in consecutive post make any sense?

Wed Nov 04, 2020 7:58 pm

Thx Sindy & others. "silver" theme is better. And reply button on a logical place.
 
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Re: Does quouting quotes of quotes in consecutive post make any sense?

Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:48 pm

Yes, it's the best, functional, space saving, doesn't burn your eyes out, etc. Its only "problem" is that it's old, it (or something like it, I'm not sure) was default theme since almost twenty years ago, and I can understand that some may want something new, fresh, prettier, but in this case the good old thing still wins.
Come on people, do you really have to quote full posts? It's annoying and in most cases useless.
 
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Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:36 am

(btw, is there one?)
Like viewtopic.php?f=3&t=45259 ? :)
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Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:47 am

BartoszP, being corona-isolated too long and maybe feeling a bit cranky today? Kisses and hugs to you! :)
I believe you get much better attention if promote what you love instead of bashing what you hate.
It's hard to make a peace not war, isn't it? :-)

Do you think that asking "do it better" works better if people DO NOT care as it is easier to not care.
Forum should help us and not to be a course of crawling through the big see of garbage.
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Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:36 am

Perfect examples of unneeded quoting:
whole thread viewtopic.php?f=13&t=168391&p=827031#p827031
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I start teaching them, the newbie..
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Do you know the rule GIGO? Garbage In, Garbage Out
well, I'm more of a shit in, shit out man :) Chers
 
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Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:45 am

Perfect example of quotting ... additionaly it is the the example of reported discussion not related to the topic.
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Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:53 pm

Perhaps it's partly a generational thing; at least generational on the 'net if not by actual age. I've been around long enough to recall core storage (just), dial up BBSs on baud rates not measured in kilos (and mega wasn't even dreamed of), and best of all usenet when it was actually used by people for other than porn and piracy.

I prefer to keep quotes, if they are needed at all for clarity, short and often edit them (carefully so as not to lose context and offend the quotee) to the point I'm replying. A long multiquote makes it so much harder to follow the thread of discussion and wears out my scroll wheel. Often I won't even read a post with a big multiquote; not even the final reply. I just skip it and move on to the next post unless I really need the information there. Back in the day, with slow speeds, low resolutions and more expensive server storage and bandwidth, it was perhaps far more important and we all worked like that because it was necessary.

There are some forums I use that enforce rules such as limited multiquotes and especially not quoting the post directly above at all. They are easier, quicker and more pleasant to read; a more efficient use of my time.

Of course, we haven't even mentioned 'top quoting' or 'bottom quoting' yet, or using (now)old-fashioned SMS-originated abbreviations in posts... those things can start a small war!

As to 'made for mobile' layouts, I abhor them. They are another thing we can largely blame google for with their threats of lowering search rankings for websites that aren't 'mobile friendly'. It's a shame that hardly anyone seems able to make a website that functions well on both mobiles and PCs; so many of them are just broken on a PC now.
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Re: Does quouting quotes of quotes in consecutive post make any sense?

Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:23 pm

It's not a matter of disk space etc. It is a matter of usability and understanding what you read and comment ... and respect for others.
Sorry if anyone feels miffed but if you read a post and the next post quotes what you have read 1s ago and the next one quotes quoted posts read 2 s ago. It is not a sitcom show where you are pointed when to laugh. It is a users' technical forum. I want more information than spacefillers.
How "quoters" are able to read documentation and configure devices If they are unable to remeber what is in the previous post?

There are only two buttons "Post Reply" and "Quote" to send a post.
Why "quoters" tend to quote pressing "Quote" instead of "Post reply"?

P.S.
Trimmed quotes pointing particular subject or code or anything else are OK as you are aware that poster wants to attract our attention.
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Re: Does quouting quotes of quotes in consecutive post make any sense?

Wed Feb 10, 2021 4:05 pm

Over-quoting prohibition is part of netiquette. Netiquette is almost dead as Internet became platform not for engineers and scientists only, but for everyone. As soon as speed of life increased, quality of discussions decreased, traffic costs nothing (and channels are wide), over-quoting become "normal" behaviour, sometimes by mistakes, sometimes because "nobody cares" anymore. Indeed, it's easier to scroll than report to mods like in good old times.
PS: I did not read posts above, because I even would not want to know what I may read here :))) it's just a reply to topicstarter.
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Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:39 pm

The overquotes I "love" much are like:
How many fingers do you have?

By the way, if you stand on your head, what do you feel?

Did you try to stop?
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I.e. the answer is for the first question, while all three are quoted and ignored.
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Now I understand a lot of things...
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Re: Does quouting quotes of quotes in consecutive post make any sense?

Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:48 pm

The problem is the button "FAR AWAY".
It loses importance...

The "quote" button appear to be the natural function to write a reply to the newbie
and also from some distracted forum guru (or who ignore it because they don't bother him the quotes)
and often it is not laziness that does not delete the excess parts in a quotation,
but it appears as perfectly normal that there is the whole quoted piece above ...

Near-Solution
add a confirmation popup "you really want quote?" when try to quote...
surely discourages the use of quote than "post reply"

and put the button "post reply" on right place, instead far away from the last post
on unusual and strange position, surely NOT ergonomic

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Re: Does quouting quotes of quotes in consecutive post make any sense?

Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:43 pm

Since MikroTik do use phpBB, everything can be tweaked.
Here is one thread about quoting.
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Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:49 pm

You concord on what I have wrote? :)
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next example <1% of comment
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Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:18 am

Next example: Maybe 10% of text is a new text. The rest is quotting
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Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:54 am

Please stop harassing forum users about this question. It is more annoying than quotes. Thanks.
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Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:24 pm

...
Simply change on the phpbb administrator panel the limit of nested quotes from 5 to 2?
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Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:37 pm

This change might help but not in most of cases. It seems that one of typical Reply abuses is when users hit Reply to a lengthy post just to express their agreement (one-liner). Reducing number of nested quotes wouldn't help in this case.

OTOH sometimes it is really useful to be able to nest more than one layer of quotes (but indeed not very often).
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Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:38 pm

But a reply to one-liner do not report again the 3rd nested long post if the one-liner reply to the reply...
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Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:40 pm

My view on this matter is that no amount of automated restrictions will make this problem go away (and keep forum usable for discussions), the only feasible way is to enforce certain level of netiquette on users. I'm with @BartoszP on that, I just don't know if his way of doing it is the best (but I can't judge, I'm not forum moderator).
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Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:44 pm

If still necessary the 3rd, 4th and 5th layer of quotes,
I have doubts about the intelligence of people who do not remember what they wrote before
or the laziness of going to review the third layer...

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For me limiting the max nested quote to 2
and
set a message >Please not abuse [OK]< when press the "

Solve the problem because the users are lazy and prefer skip mesage pressing "+ Post Reply" instead...
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Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:01 pm

Why not just remove the quote button, so when you like to quote, you need t do it manually with [ quote][ /quote]

I just found out that I can remove email when some quote me ....
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Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:11 pm

At this point why not use cleartext and remove HTML?
Also why strikeout is missing, and must be done manually?
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Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:26 pm

Please stop harassing forum users about this question. It is more annoying than quotes. Thanks.
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IMO, the quote feature is very useful and People should learn how to edit quotes so that this capability is used properly. Unfortunately many are too lazy to learn how to use QUOTES properly.

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Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:39 pm

Smilies are still on for signature, but do agree that it should be open for normal posting :)
 
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Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:10 pm

It's about :mrgreen: the unicode 🧔 works indipendenlty... :)
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Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:27 pm

IMO, the quote feature is very useful and People should learn how to edit quotes so that this capability is used properly. Unfortunately many are too lazy to learn how to use QUOTES properly.
Hallelujah, Hallelujah ... so what is your proposition how to teach people to use it properly?
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Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:31 pm

5
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2
1

I Insist: Simply change on the phpbb administrator panel the limit of max nested quotes from 5 to 2...
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Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:12 pm

My view on this matter is that I just don't know, I can't judge!
Yes, I concur with your analysis ! ;-PP
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Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:13 pm

4
3
2
1
Is this a trick? Line 4 is actually the same length as line 1 right??
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Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:23 pm

3
2
1
Is this a trick? Line 4 is actually the same length as line 1 right??
You quote and the 5 disappear, I quote and the 4 disappar, set limit from 5 to 2 remove 99% of useless overquote....
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Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:32 pm

Nice, but wasted a good joke I had to edit my text (remove Five and put Four) because part of the quote disappeared, like an argentinian govt protestor dropped from a C130 over the Atlantic.
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Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:12 am

Decreased nesting level, enabled smilies, have fun and stop arguing :D
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Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:21 am

Thank you, but I guess there always will be Troll that find some to argue about.
 
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Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:23 am

Thank you Normis ... is it not a full solution to the root problem but it's much better than nothing :D :D :D (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=177216&p=870085#p870084)
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Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:16 am

Decreased nesting level, enabled smilies, have fun and stop arguing :D
Thank you for accepting my suggestion!

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Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:35 am

Good, wrong, good. Good is using the reply button and you see a link in your posting, linking directly to the posting you are replying to. Wrong...you know.
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In each posting there is as reply and a quote button. The reply button put the link at the top of your posting so you don't have to seek to what posting you are replying.
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Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:11 am

Also this forum can do that, but I do not understand why quote heder and strikeout are striked out...
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Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:35 pm

It's about :mrgreen: the unicode 🧔 works indipendenlty... :)
I know, I know, but... Mr. Green is 9 bytes of text + 1.6kB (incl. http headers), while 🧔 is 4 bytes ;)

P.S. Omg, enabling smilies changes how emojis are displayed %)
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Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:40 pm

Ops...
because the phpbb change unicode to:
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Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:12 pm

Now I understand why the smileys were turned off.
For now, if there is no abuse, it is better to ignore it, right? :D
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@normis

Can you reduce number of topics pr page (currently 500), to example 100.
Same for post pr topics (currently 300), to example 50
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Forum loads slowly for you? Are you not using a MikroTik router? :D
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Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:16 am

:D :D :D

Off course I do use MT routers, have some of them ....

For me it OK, loads ok, but long to scroll to and do not need all the old threads.
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Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:38 pm

Forum loads slowly for you? Are you not using a MikroTik router? :D
He is probably using MT wif5 to access internet ;-)
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Forum loads slowly for you? Are you not using a MikroTik router? :D
It's more of slow database calls in the back-end, it is slow even for me on multiple machines with plenty of CPU, RAM, GPU and good network setup with end-to-end functional PMTUD for both IPv4 and IPv6.
 
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He is probably using MT wif5 to access internet ;-)
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I use Audience 1st revision
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I use Audience 1st revision
No fair using wifi 5+.
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Moved copy of post there as it is the proper place to discuss it more than the original topic:
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A.The art of discussion falls down. When you use arguments "ad personam" there is no place to discuss about the merit. Should I comment childish and stupid argument of "anger"? No.

B. If it is normal situation for you that you talk to a waiter and you repeat again and again all what was said before then I wonder how much time takes you placing an order? You can extend this situation to any real life situation ... buying a ticket, visiting a doctor etc.

C. If you ask for examples of written rules ... I think that there is no "Red Book of Rules" but there is interesting topic you can follow: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=45259

D. If you suggest that the button "Post Reply" is hidden and hard to spot then I think there is no sense to discuss it more.

E. "Quote" button is placed next to each post as it is unique link to quote that particular post. There is no sense to make one "quote" for whole topic as there should be mechanism to pick-up the post you want to quote. Current solution is simple clean and efficient.

F. When you want to join discussion you just "Post reply". How it could be expressed easier/simpler?

G. If "Post reply" would be placed "conviniently" in each post then there would be complains "why there are two buttons" doing almost the same?".


And so on ... if you want discuss about quoting please do it in this topic even it was "spammed" with different subject :)
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There's nothing stopping you from doing your moderator job and edit posts that irrate you, leaving a note on that post about the edits that have been made and why.
This is also not the first time I suggest this to you.
Instead you start ranting offtopic crap in a topic that has nothing to do with it and even after the user corrected his "mistake" you don't delete the offtopic started by you, including your own post. And you do this in every topic you spot something like this.
That just makes you a terrible, frustrated, irritable as you said in the first post of this topic, moderator.
As proof, you still didn't delete your rant from here: viewtopic.php?p=949781#p949763 even after it was reported twice.
That's not what "moderating" a forum means, look it up.
That is all.
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It's not a moderator job to clean every "wrong" post posted as it's not parent's job to clean a room each time their kid makes a mess. It's hard to weight if some posts should be deleted or if they should stay in place. My opinion is that they should stay as it is kind of history and new readres see that there "was a situation". You prefer sweeping it under the rug. I do not agree with that.
According to "irritation" from the very first one post ... have you read this post? Nothing comes to your mind why I wrote it? If you just follow the "I do not care" rule then I'm not suprised.
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Fri Aug 05, 2022 11:16 am

Every Bob can spam the topics "YO DON'T QUOTE THE PREVIOUS POST, BAD!".
You don't have to be a moderator to do that.
Moderators moderate quietly with as little intervention in the topics as possible.
Take a look on how other forums are moderated, maybe you learn something.
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Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:05 pm

Since many do not like the quoting when its not needed (cluttering the formum), use it only when needed. With 800+ post, you should know this forum well and how to post.
 
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Re: Does quouting quotes of quotes in consecutive post make any sense?

Fri Aug 05, 2022 5:05 pm

Sincerely, i do not remember if I use or not the misplaced button "+ Post Reply".
Almost everytime i use "quote" because it is more efficient, practical and quicker.

But, if not needed, i remove all the text on new post before wirting, or at least I leave olny the significant lines.

I understand exactly what it feels like to use the forum on a device other than an up desktop PC, when it is all full of "quoted text".
Really annoying and not practical.

The worst thing ever is when they quote and write the answers in the quoted text, you no longer understand anything ...

Therefore, it is better not to quote at all unless strictly necessary, but you have to be tolerant, especially with the lazy newcomers.

And you have to be tolerant as well with the moderators, in the end they are people,
and they do not have the means to privately contact users,
because any form of messaging has been disabled on the forum.

What Znevna suggests, on the other hand, will be very useful, in fact writing in the post comment because the excessive text has been removed can help, probably by annoying users less.

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Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:11 pm

I do wish that when quoting, it provided a link to the original post that the reply was referring to. Some of the information is there in the markup language, which you can only see when you reply with quote, but when there is a long thread, and you are making a comment about a post that was 40 posts back, it would be much easier if the reply with quote included a link with the post number, and if there there was a reply with link only option in addition to relay with quote. Otherwise it can be very hard for the readers to even find what you are quoting, and what the context was at the time.

So the post would start with an edit screen containing something like:

In reply to @normis post #48
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Re: Does quouting quotes of quotes in consecutive post make any sense?

Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:52 pm

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@Jotne: Since you don't know what this is about, don't comment on it. Thanks.
Be more polite. Stop your anger :) but let me rephrase the problem as this - please treat this as a mental expiremnt and do not take it personally but as a story which you can rephrase back to the situation you are not glad of:

Thare are Bobs who join the free party organized and maintaned by some people "pro publico bono", they take a small bite of everything on cold platters putting back that bitten cake/apple/sandwich/whateveryouwanthere, spite into all bottles of water and then comply that someone dares pay attantion and ask them to stop. They are asked once, twice .... no change ... furthermore they invite more Bobs and do not care what they do indulging their behaviour. They drop food wastes into flower-pots as they are placed in more convinient places instead of garbage bins which they do not spot easily. When they are asked to change they demeanor they start to argue that "THEY CAN so what's the problem?". They even dare to insist that organizers should silently clean the mess they do, serve new fresh dishes and platters as THEY DO NOT CARE that so much food is lost. They slurp, burp as THEY CAN.

From time to time Organizers, staff or other guest try to persude them to stop do some unwanted things. They suggest, they ask, there are even some guides published "how to take most of the party" ... once, twice but Bobs are Bobs ... steady as a rock. "THEY CAN" so they do what they want and as they want. Organizers could narrow guest group, they may set rules and strictly obey that only man with neckcloth are allowed but man in tights are frowned on but they do not want to do it.

How to convince Bobs that the World does not belong only to them? That there are people who have different point of view how some things should be done? That the sentence "masses do things like this" is not the answer which solves the problem.

Let me leave you with that question.

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It's not only about quotting but also about describing problems, askin proper questions, passing crucial information needed to solve problems etc.
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Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:02 pm

Since I use a PC at all times to look at the forum, not particularly fussed about any usage of quotes, replies etc............ I ignore them for the most part as interested in the meat of the text.
What bugs most more are the long code sections not using the tags for code. To bad the site does not auto tag those :-)
Life must be really short if the subject matter is one of the biggest concerns one has, compared to many others that are possible.
Suggest get a bigger screen and thicker filter for such things or drink more I dont give a phuck beverage, which reportedly increase ones lifespan.

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Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:08 pm

I do wish that when quoting, it provided a link to the original post that the reply was referring to.
It seems to depend on used theme. I selected good old "prosilver" and quotes start with "normis wrote: ↑", where arrow at the end is link to original post. But default theme doesn't have that. On the other hand, default theme has numbered posts, which I don't get.

As for quoting in general, I wish for people to just think a bit. Like if you start a thread about some problem of yours and you have conversation with one other person, what's the point of quoting all their posts? If it's something like release thread with multiple participants and topics, then sure, do use quotes. But it can still be done reasonably. Every time I see someone quoting whole first post with long changelog, only to add something like "And did you fix <something>?", I want to hit them. Not to hurt, just as a quick message that they're doing something really stupid. ;)
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Come on people, do you really have to quote full posts? It's annoying and in most cases useless.
 
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Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:09 pm

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Boy..
Let me try again.
If Bob doesn't like quoting the entire previous post, he makes a post about it, saying: "Yo, Bob2, don't quote the entire previous post man, that's bad, mkay?"
That's you right now in this forum, an everyday Bob.
But if a moderator spots something like that even though it's not against the rules he can edit the said post and leave a note about the edits made and why. That's a moderator in action. That's not you right now. We already established that you're Bob the irritated usual poster, sadly.
But I'm repeating myself now, for nothing, since you don't seem to understand how you can improve your actions.
Got it now?
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Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:35 pm

And since this is so off-topic already ...
Boy..
Shouldn't that be "Bob" ? :lol:


Guys,
as much as I find this really amusing stuff watching you two from the sideline, I think both of you have a point. And not.
I've been a moderator on a US-based tech site for quite a long time (Brighthand, if you want to know. when Palm was still making decent devices, so that also shows my age).

Excessive quoting ? That's a no. And yes, a moderator could step in and correct it but then we're at the very appropriate example of the kids not cleaning up their room. And you know why ? BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE does it for them. And then they will never do it. Lazy ? Definitely so.
FWIW I got one at home like that, 25 years. Next week he moves out with his girlfriend, then I don't need to shut the door of his room anymore. You see ? I refuse to clean up for someone else if that person is able to do so him/herself.

That said aside: will users learn from being told they need to do otherwise ?
Only when it starts to cause problems for themselves !
Is it only the responsibility of a moderator to correct that behavior? No, not in my view. As a user and participator of this forum, I feel (personally speaking) I can assist as well, even when not being a moderator.
You don't need superpowers to make someone aware of bad behavior.
That's like watching a thief stealing a purse from an old lady and everybody's waiting for the police to arrive.

What I do find fantastic in this particular thread is that this kind of discussion CAN take place. I've seen places where the slightest disagreement results in a simple ban. No questions asked. No explanations given.
That's what civil people do. They discuss. And sometimes they can even agree to disagree.

But always remain polite, always explain why in clear terms. If the other side doesn't understand (language barrier, remember), explain in different words.
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Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:50 pm

What I do find fantastic in this particular thread is that this kind of discussion CAN take place. I've seen places where the slightest disagreement results in a simple ban. No questions asked. No explanations given.
That's what civil people do. They discuss. And sometimes they can even agree to disagree.
Bravo, really,
is one of the most beautiful phrases I recently read on the forum.

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Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:51 pm

quote from: Not Holvoe
"But if a moderator spots something like that even though it's not against the rules he can edit the said post and leave a note about the edits made and why. That's a moderator in action."
What? You mean let the mod edit posts quietly and not take up valuable thread space by attempts in educating the 'stupid (an every growing segment of the worlds pop or so it seems) and interrupting the current line of thinking/questioning ( mt spanish inquisition ). What a novel concept - similar to -->"I cant say the letter B", why not use the letter K, right, what a silly bunt.
For the uninitiated..... start time 1:15 --> https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x36cxnp and the sketch after is similar to BartoszP explaining his theory of quoting. ;-)
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Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:00 pm

It seems to depend on used theme. I selected good old "prosilver" and quotes start with "normis wrote: ↑", where arrow at the end is link to original post. But default theme doesn't have that. On the other hand, default theme has numbered posts, which I don't get.
Thanks @Sob, I wasn't aware how different the themes were. I have switched to Allan Style-SUBSILVER, which uses full window width, has the post number, and still has the arrow with the quoted post reference.

Thanks for letting me know that this was even an option.

Edit: And Select all works in this style as well, where it does not in the default "Canvas". Other than a more "modern" look, I doen't see any advantage to the default "Canvas". Functionality wise, it seems to be the worst.
 
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Fri Aug 05, 2022 11:37 pm

I do use Prosilver as well. This is the default PHPBB style and as all the function that should be there. Like its easy to see what thread I have posted in (Little red star). See picture.
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:04 am

The AllanStyle-SUBSILVER seems to have everything the prosilver style has, but has different icons in the "topic index" view. It shows thread/topics I have posted to with a small circle with black dot.

While in the expanded thread view, it has post #, and for quoted sections, the author of quoted post, as well as link and time of quoted post.

About the only disadvantage is that it looks "busy" compared to the canvas (apple inspired simplified view?). But for anyone using MikroTik, it shouldn't be jarring :lol:
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:21 am

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But if a moderator spots something like that even though it's not against the rules he can edit the said post and leave a note about the edits made and why. That's a moderator in action. That's not you right now. We already established that you're Bob the irritated usual poster, sadly.
But I'm repeating myself now, for nothing, since you don't seem to understand how you can improve your actions.
Got it now?
Starting from the end ... "We stated ..." .. Really? Maybe just you? Do not be shy writing "I stated ....". Do not hide behind "masses".
According to the previous part of your sentence:
Seems that the main problem is that you confuse two concepts.
You do not distinguish volunteers beeing helpers for forum administrators from servants. We as moderators do it for free in our free time. Why? Maybe for fun, maybe because it fills somehow our need for something ... but who nows what the "something" meens for each of us?
Assuming that we are "servants" then remeber that good servant should advise it's master that pink socks do not fit in with green shirt, navy blue jacket and red tie if only master is not a clown dressing for a show. Good master listens to servant and takes such advises into consideration.
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:11 am

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[...] We already established that you're Bob the irritated usual poster, sadly.
[...]
Starting from the end ... "We stated ..." .. Really? Maybe just you? Do not be shy writing "I stated ....". Do not hide behind "masses".
Ok Bob, I wrote there "We established", not "We stated". Don't mess up my words.
"We established that you're an irritated poster" refers to the fact that you've called yourself "too irritable" in the first post of this topic, and I also find you to be a little too irritable, so if I find you irritable, and you, yourself, find yourself irritable, there are two of us that find BartoszP to be Bob the irritated poster, so "we" was used properly here. Don't mess up my words, again. I understand that english isn't your first language, mine either, no problem. "The masses" were not involved here, "the masses" can speak for themselves.
So Bob, got it now? Or still no? I'm guessing no. Ok, Next.
Seems that the main problem is that you confuse two concepts.
You do not distinguish volunteers beeing helpers for forum administrators from servants. We as moderators do it for free in our free time. Why? Maybe for fun, maybe because it fills somehow our need for something ... but who nows what the "something" meens for each of us?
Assuming that we are "servants" then remeber that good servant should advise it's master that pink socks do not fit in with green shirt, navy blue jacket and red tie if only master is not a clown dressing for a show. Good master listens to servant and takes such advises into consideration.
Ok, so you as a "volunteer beeing helper for free in his free time" what do you do to help the forum as a moderator? just spam a link to this topic by posting it in each topic you see someone breaking the "quoting the previous post" unwritten rule? Is that it? that's how you help the forum in your little free time?
Bob, I assure you that any Bob can do this, I wrote this already before, pay attention.
You don't have to write offtopic posts in your free time, anyone else can do it without volunteering to help the forum, trust me, Bob.
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:25 am

I do not see why we do have this discussion at all.

No one have ever told me that they get irritated when no quoting was used. But I have seen many dislike quoting the whole post above, quoting the quote etc.

So why not skip it, its simple to do, just use post reply button instead quoting button. This will make some more happy at least at this forum.

I do agree that there are no education given when you start using any forum, but I do read posts and see how stuff works. Listen to other etc.

There are no one denying some from quoting, but I do agree with other, use it when its needed and only the part needed to be quoted.

One other downside about this, is that MikroTik has a high limit in number of post you are able to see in one page (more than 100). So long post and even long post takes memory and more time to load and harder to read on small devices.
 
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:47 am

It's not the number of posts that make the forum load slow, it's the number of images hosted in weird places.
I block everything that is outside of forum.mikrotik.com, the forum flies.
There are a few users that preffer to upload images to their own server to track views and crap, instead of uploading images in a right size to the forum, so blocking those is a double win :)
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:26 pm

Often they are links to monetize, but I change the short link that points to the server,
which refers to the other,
which with the advertising outline makes you go to the image,
and I replace with the direct link.

Then I ask the user to use the forum, and not third party sites.

Often the user do not come back because I disrupt the monetizing source...
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:00 pm

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So Bob, got it now? Or still no? I'm guessing no. Ok, Next.
How to answer to person who is rude and is not able to use the name of Interlocutor?
Have you read the very first post starting from conditional "Maybe I 'm too ..." ... It's not the same to "I'm too" ... if you want not to mess with your words than please do not mess my words and statements.
Znevna do you get it now? I allow myself to use your words
Ok, so you as a "volunteer beeing helper for free in his free time" what do you do to help the forum as a moderator? just spam a link to this topic by posting it in each topic you see someone breaking the "quoting the previous post" unwritten rule? Is that it? that's how you help the forum in your little free time? Bob, I assure you that any Bob can do this, I wrote this already before, pay attention.
You don't have to write offtopic posts in your free time, anyone else can do it without volunteering to help the forum, trust me, Bob.
Have a nice weekend!
Please to be rude and use "Bob" everywhere ... it brings down the level of discussion below acceptable one. As I stated previously ... arguments "ad personam" kill the discussion.

My more important message to you is: Please do stop lying in the public that "in every topic I spot i spam about quotting"
I'm sure you can prove your words so please list each and every topic I placed such comment during last half of a year. And compare it to the total number of topics with excessive quotting. I could agree that even level higher than 20% could be assumed as "Each and every" even if the barrier of 50% would be more fair. If the number is below it then you should apologize publicly as easy as you share lies. If above I will apologize you.

On the other hand ... just to clarify situation ... in the post viewtopic.php?p=950172#p949776 you suggested (is it the proper word?) to "Report, delete, punish. If you can't do it, get more moderators that can." as a regular moderator task.
So I followed your advice (is it proper word?) and edited your offending post once, you ressurected the content, I edited it again, you brought the content back again, after that I deleted the post and moved the discussion here, to the topic about quotting to not continue it in the topic yau asked to not continue it in. Was/Is it fair for you? Do I follow your expectations not to flood topic with unnecessary content? Copy of post is there: viewtopic.php?p=949878#p949878

So you should decide if you should still complain and ask that stupid question "what you did for the forum?" or if you should mull over if there is some inconsistency in your conduct. Why did you bring the "spamming the topic" content back and at the same time you complain that I didn't removed my posts and the loftovers do clutter the topic? Your ones are still there viewtopic.php?p=950172#p949764 viewtopic.php?p=950172#p949776 Is that not a case of the pot calling the kettle black?

ZnevnaI, i's my last answer to you till you prove your words. Everyone could judge the problem on that.
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:16 pm

I've reported ALL those posts TWICE, I got an email for each of them that YOU "managed" them TWICE, yet they are still there, because you want them to be there, as clearly stated here: viewtopic.php?t=168474#p949891
Don't rub it in my face again.
I don't follow all your replies, chillax, but since I'm in this forum (even before 2019, because I did read it even before I registered an account here) it's not the first time I see you picking publicly on users about the stuff that irritate you (quoting the entire previous post), if you had better things to do in the last half of year, congrats!

And as you have a problem with "quoting the previous post" because you have a small screen or something, I also have a problem with offtopic/spam and other things, so please clean the offtopic reported in topics, don't "sweep the reports under the rug" :wink:
But please do it in your free time of course!
LE: as it can be seen in the only deleted reply, you deleted it a few times (yes, I edited as long as I could) because you still have no answer to the last part of it:
As you posted a copy of a version of it, here: viewtopic.php?p=949878#p949878
The last part is essential:
"Please show the MikroTik forum rules, and the specific rule that was broken by quoting the previous message, thanks!
Still waiting for you to mention those rules, and don't delete just my posts, delete your own offtopic too, thanks ;)."
I repeat, again, there is no rule that forbids quoting the previous post, yet you make a big fuss out of it from time to time (when you have free time and volunteer to help the forum) by posting something about it disrupting the topic with .. offtopic. Does that seem normal to you?
And from all I've said you decided to delete just that post, and leave the others there as a reminder to the users to don't quote the previous post. In a topic about hAP ax2. Because you had free time to do so.
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:22 pm

One moment please, I closed the reports, but I didn't delete the posts because I didn't want to get involved in the discussion between you two.
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:24 pm

No, the emails clearly state to contact him, so I'm guessing they were handled by him:
"The report was afterwards closed. If you have further questions contact BartoszP with a private message."
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:25 pm

I appreciate Zvenas input, even if I dont agree with it [ some?, all of the time? ;-) ] as he is hardcore to the nub of problems, no farting around and sometimes he has jewels for advice.
On the other hand, truth be told BartozP, it is your posts that interrupt a thread, are irritating and are discourteous to the OP trying to solve a problem and to those of us on our free time trying to help the OP. None of us are perfect, have bad days etc is understood, so I tend to ignore the interruptions in other folks threads, luckily this is the topic of this thread so I can wax eloquently on the shortcomings of your approach. :-)
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:26 pm

Sorry I only noticed now that the posts have been reported multiple times,
pretend I haven't written anything, in this case,
thank you ....
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:28 pm

Sorry I only noticed now that the posts have been reported multiple times,
pretend I haven't written anything, in this case,
thank you ....
I do that in in all cases jajajajaja
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:38 pm

@anav,
now I tell you how I think.

The overblown quotes broke my balls.

If I see them and I don't like them, I delete them. Without writing anything. I just delete them.

They DO NOT alter what the user asks for, DO NOT alter the concept,
and they DO NOT alter my balls and those of other users who are not using a PC desktop at the time.

And what's more beautiful, it's simple, and nobody notices it!
Because even for those who have quoted excessively, it seems to them a NORMAL thing as it is written on that way...
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:46 pm

Nice, that's how you moderate from behind the scenes. Leaving a note about it might help the user know why the post was edited, but if you don't delete anything from what he wrote, he might not even care, but others can see the editing and why, so it still serves a purpose.
And you're the newest moderator afaik, how can you do this and others can't?
Anyway, I'm off to the beach for a swim with wifey, I expect to find you in your best quotes when I get back ^^.
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:54 pm

Sweet, have a great swim! Just watch out for the sharks........
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:00 pm

And what's more beautiful, it's simple, and nobody notices it!
Because even for those who have quoted excessively, it seems to them a NORMAL thing as it is written on that way...
(careful use of quote ...)


Yeah, but the kids will still not clean up their room themselves ... they will continue to do the wrong thing and someone else is continuing to clean up their mess.
Waste of time and resources !

If you clean up, I prefer a note indicating WHY you did.
At least everybody will then see a) it has been done, b) it are always the same leaving the mess for others.

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something else I noticed just now ... this topic between you 2 is already approaching 2 years (started in nov 2020 from what I can see all the way up, maybe earlier ?).
Isn't it about time to let it go ?
 
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What a waste of time...
 
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:12 pm

@Bartoszp, @Znevna
something else I noticed just now ... this topic between you 2 is already approaching 2 years (started in nov 2020 from what I can see all the way up, maybe earlier ?).
Isn't it about time to let it go ?
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I forgot I posted here two years ago, haha, sorry :D glad that I'm consistent at least:
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That's it, I'm out, bbl.
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:31 pm

I was gonna say that was a quick swim, must live right by the ocean!! Dont forget sunscreen!!!
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:48 pm

...On the other hand, truth be told BartozP, it is your posts that interrupt a thread, are irritating and are discourteous to the OP trying to solve a problem and to those of us on our free time trying to help the OP. None of us are perfect, have bad days etc is understood, so I tend to ignore the interruptions in other folks threads, luckily this is the topic of this thread so I can wax eloquently on the shortcomings of your approach. :-)
Such an opinion from the holder of a black belt in the category of off-topic posts. What did I do to get so lucky? :)
Just a few examples. Should they be deleted or not?
Bratelo slava HINT: You are NOT helping by interjecting before the necessary information to give an informed response is possible. The OP needs to provide more information as already requested to get to a satisfactory resolution of the problem. There are a few here that can play the mind reader game and take shortcuts (sob, mkx, sindy) but otherwise not usually successful and irritating for those of us asking for the information. The OP was sidetracked and has yet to provide the requested information, hopefully soon coming. :-)

Not to say your advice is not sound or useful but usually there is more to the story which can only be sussed out with more context and information.
Often there is lots the OP leaves out that is necessary to the puzzle.

By the way I didnt read your question nor his response, its noise since I dont understand
a. the network structure (what devices are attached, internet comes from, what goes out on the ports) A network diagram helps immensely here.
b. the configuration which fills in the rest of the gaps. ( the bridge/vlans/subnets, the firewall rules, the routing etc. and how they interact)
c. the requirements of the network in terms of use cases
what the user(s)/device(s) should be able to do and not do..................pushes config design
Sweet, have a great swim! Just watch out for the sharks........
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Thats nice, but adds nothing to clarifying the OPs user requirements in sufficient detail.
Shouldnt you be finding water, fighting fires or giving out water to people in tents pooping on your lawn??
Yeah tongue in cheek but the lack of water is damn serious, hope the situation doesnt get worse.
I was gonna say that was a quick swim, must live right by the ocean!! Dont forget sunscreen!!!
WHY? Is there a real problem being encountered or are you off your medications?
I dont work on what ifs and suppositions....... Otherwise I would be a priest.
No kidding, what next, how do I tie my shoelace lessons by mkx. ;-)
It would be grand to see pony hair standing straight out for a change. ;-P
LMAO, nice, glad to see you are planning future horror episodes!
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Sun Aug 07, 2022 12:05 am

As overquotted previous post hurts my eyes I write the next one.
I'm glad that there are some poeple who as me have own standards they want to obey and want others to follow that style. They even ask for it again and again in every topic they spot and they decide that it deserves to remaind what they want to see. Do you want to know who is that man?
Sorry bpwl, I have my standards, I can quickly read and understand a normal config outlay.
Also ensures nothing missing and easily detectable......
It hurts my head to look at it in a non standard way.
Fill your boots then, Im outta here.
Quote of the year I suppose.

For those who want to have all rules written down as it would explain everything and there wouldn't be misunderstanding what is allowed and whiat is forbidden I suggest watchin this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N16YkjFVAyE and if you want it short then you can start from this moment https://youtu.be/N16YkjFVAyE?t=99
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Mon Aug 08, 2022 6:42 pm

For those who argue that post reply is not in convinient place, please look how the discussion from today looks like.
Instead of writing down comment in a proper place and pressing "Submit" the additional step of quotting is done.
Even on my not to small QuadHD monitor there is a need to zoom in to read three consecuitive posts at once.
What if someone has "smaller" screen?
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Yes .. I know ... use "smarter" new white on white bright theme which solves problem of too long quotes.
Really? What a mess, quotes are mixed-in, noone knows what happens. Seems that that theme is not smart enough.
Whatch how it looks with silver theme ... long but fully redable what is what. The "new smart white theme" is lost in the dark :)
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Looks fine here.
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Mon Aug 08, 2022 6:49 pm

And this the example of the month how to quote the own post posted half an hour earlier. Why? Who knows?
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Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:32 pm

On the last, better edit original topic, instead to post "on any way" another....
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Sun Oct 23, 2022 4:59 pm

Coming here from another thread and adding my thoughts about this:
I am against editing users posts by moderators as this changes someone's idea how he wanted it to be presented to others. Someone in his almighty vision did this to me and I didn't like it. Quoting is enabled so it's up to member's decision to use it or not and even further - members should quote the post they are answering to to be precise in response. The problem is this forum has probably bad skins implementation so quotation is not shrunk and takes to much space compared to one-sentence-response. With a good one even in nested quotations it wouldn't be a problem.

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Sun Oct 23, 2022 5:33 pm

You probably didn't understand what this topic is about.
If you quote the ENTIRE PREVIOUS MESSAGE it's bad mkay?
If you reply to the topic without qouting anything, your reply is clearly something tied to the previous message, if not to the FIRST post and TITLE.
If your reply contains a quote from somewhere way behind the thread, nobody should edit your message.
If your reply doesn't make any sense whatsoever in that topic, well, clearly it should be deleted as it's offtopic.
Cheers.
PS: just noticed how many mistakes the title of this topic contains.
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Sun Oct 23, 2022 9:24 pm

@Znevna sometimes while your are replying to the "previous post", someone else can finish their post and post it before you hit submit.

Then it can be confusing, because it appears it is referring to the previous post, when in fact it is referring to a post with at least one new intervening post that did not exist when you pressed "post reply".

Here's an example. Well I can't find it, even searching with advanced search and a word ironic, that I am sure I used. So is seems that the either the post was edited or the thread deleted by a moderator. I can guess who, he likes fortran.
 
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Sun Oct 23, 2022 9:26 pm

The forum tells you when you press submit and there's a new reply since you started writing.
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Sun Oct 23, 2022 9:35 pm

The forum tells you when you press submit and there's a new reply since you started writing.
...and then write it once again because of context change?
Besides, you can change your sentence so quoting it makes it frozen in a reply and keep the response logic intact.
Live and let live...
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Sun Oct 23, 2022 9:50 pm

And as I did write in the other thread, this is just a small forum and I have rarely seen that has happend.
Problem normal is not that you quote the post above, and then some quote that post again and again etc.
So since many do not like the quote of the previous post, what is the problem not respecting that?

If you need to quote the post above to make thing clear, select only the lines needed to make the point, not all.

Never seen that someone has complained that you did not quote the post above.... :)
 
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Sun Oct 23, 2022 9:56 pm

So since many do not like the quote of the previous post, what is the problem not respecting that?
No, it's moderators' terror! Everything which is not forbidden is allowed! I understand your position but also like to quote because of my previous arguments which I don't want to repeat over and over... You should also respect that.
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Sun Oct 23, 2022 9:57 pm

@Panbambaryla: See now, there was no reason to quote my reply, since you wrote just after it, but you quoted it anyway.
Now you'll get mad if someone edits it? right?
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Of course, because this is MY way!
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Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:01 pm

Please explain how "the ideea" of your reply changes without that quote.
Since you came here arguing about exactly that.
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Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:09 pm

Live and let live...
But sometimes it's so wrong... Like going in release thread and quoting whole long post with complete changelog, only to add one sentence note or question (often a useless one on top of that). Or when having a thread of your own with one on one conversation and still quoting everything the other person writes. Why? How about some basic manners? Perhaps it's me being oversensitive, but it's like inviting guests and then watching them relieving themselves in my living room. :shock: If they at least did it secretly behind my back or something... I mean, it was clearly wrong analogy. :lol:
Come on people, do you really have to quote full posts? It's annoying and in most cases useless.
 
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Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:12 pm

Please explain how "the ideea" of your reply changes without that quote.
I can write here whatever I want or you can change this sentence in you post. Assuming I am honest person I would like to response to your initial, unchanged post.
Read above, in quotation, and also please read my response regarding terror.
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Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:17 pm

But sometimes it's so wrong... Like going in release thread and quoting whole long post with complete changelog, only to add one sentence note or question (often a useless one on top of that).
Right, there are some cases it doesn't make sense like in your example. It's obvious.
Or when having a thread of your own with one on one conversation and still quoting everything the other person writes.
Is it happening here? If not, why discussing such situations?

Keep it logic, please.
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Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:19 pm

Your complete lack of netiquette is concerning.
I don't care what you add to my quoted text, the original is clearly visible in the topic. In conclusion, no quote is the best quote :) so you can't screw with what I wrote.
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Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:21 pm

Huge pictures added by Znevna...
Your huge pictures are bigger "sin" than quoting as it makes mess here...
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Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:25 pm

The mobile version of the forum deals with them original, unaltered screenshots just fine.
File a complaint if it doesn't look right on your tiny screen.
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Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:29 pm

Your complete lack of netiquette is concerning.
You seem to not understand my point at all I think - that is why you use argumentum ad personam. Please, take into considerations all I have written here regarding freedom of speech and using tools that are given to me even you don't like me to use them...
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So to recap, did a moderator alter what YOU wrote?
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Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:49 pm

@Panbambaryla
You have just now sent 8 email to the user who you have quoted. (if they did not turn it off manually)
As you see many do not like the way some are using quoting and some says ok, I do not need it and stop to not just make some irritated.
You are off course free to drive 10 km/h less than the speed limit. Some may not like it and try to pass.
Other sees what other does and change behavior to make all happy.
 
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Sun Oct 23, 2022 11:39 pm

@Jotne
Please, discuss my arguments and not who likes what or not especially in a matter that can be really easy setup (if this function triggers you).
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Mon Oct 24, 2022 12:06 am

Argument is one thing. Respect other is another.

If you look at the main announcement threads, MT has added a "post reply" box under the latest thread, to even make it simpler to quick reply.
 
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Mon Oct 24, 2022 12:45 am

It's not here about pleasing moderators who receive to many e-mail notifications (this may be the main reason of this thread) but about my right to use the forum the way I like. I don't want to follow moderators' private, arbitrary, non-forum-wide rules because it is against my will and the idea how to construct a post. One of you, moderators, didn't respect my right to do it my way that is why I am discussing it here. I didn't see any essential response to my arguments what makes this discussion shallow and worthless...

My constructive response to your posts could be:
Ask administrator to edit forum scripts to make it more usable for you, moderators and also for us, users. Shrink quotations to first few sentences, use direct links to individual posts instead of citations (database can be smaller) but "freeze" the post after quoting to keep its content and response consistent, do some development in code to limit quotations nesting level.

This is the way the problem should be solved and not by limiting users with their freedom.
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Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:20 am

Let's say that some moderators may have been a bit overzealous, and it wasn't good. And some users definitely do go overboard with quoting. Sadly, the worst ones won't read a thread like this one and will just keep doing it. For the rest, it's about personal preferences. We could probably agree that quoting is good when it's right amount in right place, but there's no way we will agree on exact details. Ideally, forum software should solve it in way that would make everyone happy (different options), but I didn't see any yet that does it flawlessly, so until that happens, we'll have to get by.
Come on people, do you really have to quote full posts? It's annoying and in most cases useless.
 
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