How about going to Egypt? Is it hard to go to Egypt MUM from India?Normis,
I really want to attend MUM as well as trainning, But if it is near to India coz, it is very difficult to get the VISA outside asian country...
Any Planning for INDIA. Our Company is ready to organize each and every things for you
Depends who's paying for the trip.What do you think about Bali. Isn't it easy for Australians and Kiwis to get there?
Where in the MT manual do I find out about 'blink', which has appeared in the RouterOS 3.0rc menu? Or about 'calea', whatever that is that demands a package to itself? I discovered quite by accident that there is a console command for 'Pick' which doesn't get a mention in the manual and had to work out for myself the syntax for it. How many other commands I would find very useful are not mentioned in the manual, and therefore not available to me? Currently I've having to spend hours almost reverse-engineering User-Manager in order to find out how to make it work for me because all MT has put out on it is little more than a 'Quick start guide.'i just wanted to point out, that MT is not substituting manual with MUM - these are completely different things. While in manual you can read how to use on or another feature in MUM you can actually see how people are using those features together in a real environment, what challenges they have overcome and what knowledge had acquired while doing that.
Yes, you're right. But the only reason I'm even trying 3.0RC is because a bug in 2.9 means I can't use that, and another bug in 3.0 means I can't use that either - if they are bugs and notNot quite fair IMHO -
3.0RC is not yet in "release" status: one has to accept that status - caveat emptor - and just like previously with 2.9, there was no real online documentation until release version was out. Quite right: MT should put the effort into making the code stable, rather than writing manuals for non-release software versions.
Yes, and I'm very grateful to them for the time and tolerance they are prepared to give non-professionals like me. But I would suggest forums are places for experts to get together to discuss the arcane and the esoteric, and to work out ways to boldly go where the developers never intended their software to venture. Many (most?) of the threads on this forum are from folk appealing with help re fundamentals which IMHO should be available in the manual/documentation.Also, MT business model depends on user-input into support forums like this to solve user questions/problems and user-input Wiki to create more complete documentation and "how -to's". Nothing wrong with that - there are some real experts online here.
Exactly my point. Surely you should only have to do such things where you're adapting the software for non-standard applications. If you're having to do it for 'key' tasks you're doing MT's job for it, acting and unpaid.Also note some MT OEMS (bang drum, including us </advert> often create their own detailed documentation "how-to's" for key tasks in PDF and also a wide range of pre-programmed config scripts to return/setup products to known states - makes sense for our business to do so.
Everything you say is true, but I'm arguing that the principle onus for describing the functionality and implementation of their product is with MT, with user input the cream on the bun. By shifting the onus as you suggest you're giving MT a free ride.I'd say a combination of wiki (go on, share your knowledge, you know you want to) and OEM's writing helpful documentation for their solutions is the essential ingredient here.
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Talking about fundamentals - have you ever read "TCP/IP basics" book from covet-to-cover all 700 pages???? (and believe me in every 30 pages of that book there are at least some very usefull information)...Many (most?) of the threads on this forum are from folk appealing with help re fundamentals which IMHO should be available in the manual/documentation....
clearly you have a mis-conception of what the purpose of the MUM's are. They are a bi-directional feedback oportunity and open forum for new ideas and suggestions for both the users and MikroTik to develop new concepts, tools and methodologies. MikroTik only publish's a very small amount of information at the MUM. 98% of all information exchanged at MUM is between the attendee's of the conference, not the hosts. Think of MUM as a in-person live version of this forum, where we are helping each other out and once in a while Normis, Janisk, or Uldis chime in and give input, or take input that leads to improvments and new features.And to the extent (if at all) that MUM's contribute to that weakness (and MT's 'we've built a better mousetrap' approach) I deplore them.
at least we hope they areusers of routers are educated computer network administrators.
No. This is MT deciding unilaterally that 'their' routers are only for educated network administrators, and they're gonna keep it that way.routers are not for computer beginners. you should remember that users of routers are educated computer network administrators.
You are under the assumption that MikroTik produces consumer grade systems, and I beleive that is the root of all your confusion and frustration. If MikroTik wanted to produce a product that competes in the same market space as Linksys or DLink, they would have made a web based wizard that configures all 75 menu options they would ever include in the router, and they would also be out of business. Their systems compete with Cisco, Watchguard, SonicWall, Proxim (is it really fair of me to consider it in the same class as MikroTik??), Tranzeo (again, hardly in the same class), and other simliar vendors that are designed to work in the medium business to small enterprise class networks.No. This is MT deciding unilaterally that 'their' routers are only for educated network administrators, and they're gonna keep it that way.
yes. i mean you can't have a gamer run your networks. your business depends on it.I hope he meant "qualified" or "trained" as "educated" is a BIG word!routers are not for computer beginners. you should remember that users of routers are educated computer network administrators.
I think that he meant for "experts". MT probably increase their sales ten folds if routerOS was easier to use. RouterOS is one of the best of its kind out there. It is full of features but I think > 80% of people would use it for hotspot. If the hotspot features such a speed throttling, and credit card payments can be setup easily, a lot people would be willing to pay much more for the license. The new guy in my neighborhood just set up his hotspot using Firstspot and it only took him 10 minutes to configure everything including what mentioned above. I would pay the level 6 price for level 5 license if these options can be setup easily in MT.I hope he meant "qualified" or "trained" as "educated" is a BIG word!routers are not for computer beginners. you should remember that users of routers are educated computer network administrators.
this would be nice, it should be included with the change log, AND in a recent changes section of the manual that indicates any changes in the last 5 releases, it was documented for all command additions, removals and syntax changes.I only wish that when a new option appears, it could be documented, some way. Here, in the forum, or else.
define "hole" from your point of view??Bali is OK... it's been a few years since I've been there, but if I recall, the south part of the island is a hole (or paradise, depending on what you're looking for in life). If I wanted to provide the best experience, I'd probably choose a hotel/conference location well north of Denpasar (like on the other side of the island north).What do you think about Bali. Isn't it easy for Australians and Kiwis to get there?
Cairns or Brisbane would be nice. Darwin or Townsville less so. Perth/Sydney/Melbourne are a little far.