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milw0rm posts instructions on circumventing MT Hotspot.

Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:22 pm

http://www.milw0rm.com/video/watch.php?id=102

Basically, it's a 'find logged in users and then clone their IP/MAC' hack.
 
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Re: milw0rm posts instructions on circumventing MT Hotspot.

Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:39 pm

2.9.27...
Nice hack btw...
Is this hack working on a supported 3.x version?
There's the "Addresses per MAC" config too..
 
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Re: milw0rm posts instructions on circumventing MT Hotspot.

Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:47 pm

It's the oldest trick in the book! Taking over someone's mac address is possible on every walled garden/captive portal setup out there, unless you isolate each client... Since I never worked with the wireless part of MT, I don't know if that can be done, but my point is that this not a very great hack, and it's not at all MikroTik specific.
 
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Re: milw0rm posts instructions on circumventing MT Hotspot.

Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:15 pm

i tried to reply this but couldn't get it working.. :?
 
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Re: milw0rm posts instructions on circumventing MT Hotspot.

Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:06 pm

The hack is working on 3.26 for me.

What I'd like to see is the "Cookie" tied to the user's identity along with MAC address and IP address. This way, you could clone the MAC but you'd also have to have the cookie on the client browser. Or a better way would be a session cookie (cookie on server-side).
 
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Re: milw0rm posts instructions on circumventing MT Hotspot.

Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:21 pm

this is a widely known hole that works on lots of hotspots, but I'm glad it's been made more public so that Mikrotik will take some extra precautions.
 
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Re: milw0rm posts instructions on circumventing MT Hotspot.

Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:24 pm

What I'd like to see is the "Cookie" tied to the user's identity along with MAC address and IP address.
But doesn't this assume that all net access will be through the browser. When I use a hotspot, I use the browser to open the session and then everything else I do is done over SSH or PPTP. In this instance, cookies on the browser are pointless - if somebody clones my MAC/IP after I've closed the browser window, how does a cookie help?
 
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Re: milw0rm posts instructions on circumventing MT Hotspot.

Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:27 pm

As an aside, the user in the video is using a tool called 'NetCut'. Looks interesting (in an "I'd like to play with this to see how people cause havoc with it" way), but I can't seem to find a download source. Any ideas?
 
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Re: milw0rm posts instructions on circumventing MT Hotspot.

Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:57 pm

These are not the droids your are looking for....
30 seconds of googling told me that if you specify default-forwarding=no on your wireless interface, this "hack" is stopped for good, as the clients wont be able to to see each other...
So move along, nothing to see.
 
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Re: milw0rm posts instructions on circumventing MT Hotspot.

Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:43 am

What I'd like to see is the "Cookie" tied to the user's identity along with MAC address and IP address.
But doesn't this assume that all net access will be through the browser. When I use a hotspot, I use the browser to open the session and then everything else I do is done over SSH or PPTP. In this instance, cookies on the browser are pointless - if somebody clones my MAC/IP after I've closed the browser window, how does a cookie help?
Yeah that's true. I guess I was in the mindset of web hotspot <--> web cookie rather than general internet access.
 
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Re: milw0rm posts instructions on circumventing MT Hotspot.

Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:33 pm

of course, this is the administrators problem. don't allow users to communicate with each other, and they will never get other's MAC addresses
 
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Re: milw0rm posts instructions on circumventing MT Hotspot.

Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:10 pm

So if you tun off "default fowarding" on a wireless interface and two client computers have the same MAC address and IP (because DHCP would've given then the same one), they can't steal the user credentials of each other? If so, this is a great feature!

Just making sure I understand.
 
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Re: milw0rm posts instructions on circumventing MT Hotspot.

Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:18 pm

Well, not really, but with default forwarding, you won't be able to see the other clients, and thus not be able to find any mac or IP addresses of any other clients.

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