We are glad to announce that MikroTik User Meeting (MUM) Europe 2014
will take place in famous Venice, Italy on February 20-21!

MUM is the largest WISP conference in Europe - we are expecting more than 40 exhibitors and 1,000 participants from 60 countries!

Register now:
http://mum.mikrotik.com/

For more information please see our special MUM Europe 2014 newsletter:
http://www.mikrotik.com/download/share/ ... e_2014.pdf

See you in Venice!

MikroTik Team

Can you please organize a direct feed from the microphone for this MUM.

Thanks

nz_monkey, thanks for the idea, we will try to make stream better.

Regards,

All wating for the Mikrotik AC platform !!!!!!

Thank you

Hmmm... Winter time

https://maps.google.pl/maps?saddr=Sosno ... mra=ls&z=6

Someone from Italy knows, where is the best place to make "cheap sleep"? (4 peoples)

Try www.airbnb.com apartment rentals. In Italy, it is often the best choice.

new REVOLUTIONARY product announcements ....
what exactly ?

new REVOLUTIONARY product announcements ....
what exactly ?

That's why we call them announcements, because we mention them there first

Present!!

new REVOLUTIONARY product announcements ....
what exactly ?

Maybe a Wireless Controller ?

Hmmm... Winter time

https://maps.google.pl/maps?saddr=Sosno ... mra=ls&z=6

Someone from Italy knows, where is the best place to make "cheap sleep"? (4 peoples)

Try to search hostel or Bed and Breakfest in Mestre.
BTW the place is very near to Venice so price are not cheap becouse is a very turistic area.

Bye,
Luciano

new REVOLUTIONARY product announcements ....
what exactly ?

Maybe a Wireless Controller ?

: D!

I have the Hotel and the flight right now! I'll be there from 19 to 22! See you there!

WISP Belgium also present

Will be there!

10 hour drive, hopefully there wont be much snow on the roads

new REVOLUTIONARY product announcements ....
what exactly ?

Maybe a Wireless Controller ?

I also waiting for any news about this feature.

new REVOLUTIONARY product announcements ....
what exactly ?

Maybe a Wireless Controller ?

Wireless Controller is like old news bro

new REVOLUTIONARY product announcements ....
what exactly ?

Maybe a Wireless Controller ?

Wireless Controller is like old news bro

Mikrotik have never officially "announced" that as a feature, I just discovered it by accident and wrote a forum post about it letting you all know

Flight Tickets purchased, hotel booked and baggage packed; ready to go.

See you in Venice.

What type of ROUTERboard will be given for free?

I know it's secret but give us a hint.

In Zagreb Phone lottery was a set up
cool dude from DeltaLink win it - he pulled his own ticked

In Zagreb Phone lottery was a set up
cool dude from DeltaLink win it - he pulled his own ticked

We did not organise that lottery. Our distributors make the lotteries. Mikrotik lottery is fair and balanced

In Zagreb, lottery was scheduled at 17:30 but was started one hour earlier, so most people wasnt there at the moment of pulling the prizes....

In Zagreb, lottery was scheduled at 17:30 but was started one hour earlier, so most people wasnt there at the moment of pulling the prizes....

Schedule is only for order of events, the time changes all the time, because people don't stick to assigned length of presentations.
I don't think you could have missed it, if you were at the event
The only people that could miss it, are those, who only came for the lottery, and didn't come for the MUM.

That was stupid answer, Normis. Of course, people are coming for the MUM. I dont want to drive 500km for lottery. All I want to say is that you should stick to scheduled times, not to cancel presentation (or two) and then change time of next presentation (or lottery). Because, some people are maybe not interested in that presentation, and went to coffeee break, or lunch, or something else...

Hi guys, I hoped to make it to the event, but unfortunately will not be able. I am sure there's going to be a lot to miss.
Btw, can anybody guide me how to unregister get a refund for registration fee, the portal registration/cancelation link does not seam to work for me.

Feel free to join this event on facebook :
https://www.facebook.com/events/763389400355187/

It will be great, an account in Twitter where we can follow all events and news.

Something like @mumvenice where we can receive notice like: in 10 minutes a talk ....

Check out our new MUM video ad:

i will go to the event, see you all guys in the famous Venice

Any news about new hardware?

New details announced:
CCR1009
- 2 Models available, one with 2x SFP, the other with 1x SFP and 1x SFP+
- Dual PSU allowing failover
- Available very soon

mAP
- Supports 802.3af/at PoE input
- Passive PoE output
- Micro USB for 3G/4G

CCR1016-12S-1S+
- 12 x SFP
- 1x SFP+
- Comes with 1000baseTX SFP module
- Available April

New products:
RB850Gx2
- RB450G replacement, same form factor
- 500Mhz Dual Core PPC Processor
- 512MB RAM

CCR1072
- New beast mode router
- 72 Core Tilera Processor
- 8x SFP+ 1x Gigabit Ethernet
- Smart Card slot for certificate storage
- Dual PSU
- Available this year, it sounds like Mikrotik are working very hard on making sure the software is ready to handle the power of this hardware.

CAPs Manager
- Centralised wireless controller, looks to be CAPWAP based
- L2 or L3 communication from AP's to controller
- Beta available in the next few days, full release coming in a few weeks
- http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:CAPs_Manager

New details announced:
CCR1009
mAP
CCR1016-12S-1S+
New products:
RB850Gx2
CCR1072
CAPs Manager

When will be available: CCR1009 and mAP ?
What is: RB850Gx2 and CAPs Manager ?

No live streaming?

Awaiting for PDF with slides.

Awaiting for PDF with slides.

Me too, I did the quick run down above from memory!

Thanks to Mikrotik for having good quality audio this time.

Mikrotik, where is "new routing" ?

No live streaming?

Live stream runs at http://www.tiktube.com/?live=live

No word on 802.11ac

If there would be shares I would sell it immediately.

Mikrotik, where is "new routing" ?

Really hanging out for this to be honest; some weird bugs hanging out in v6 that have been around for ages now

TikTube Mum Live:

Sever not found rtmpt://54.220.186.255:80/live/_definst_

Maybe someone had this problem ??

Video is interrupted periodically 1:38 PM (CET, Italy).

Anyone know if the 850 will have aes hardware acceleration?

Does cap allow for seamless roaming?

Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk

TikTube Mum Live:

Sever not found rtmpt://54.220.186.255:80/live/_definst_

Maybe someone had this problem ??

I'm not getting a stream either.

Hey

Where is the PDF with those nice slides and the imaginary release dates ?

CCR with 72 cores makes no sense to me, unless mikrotik is planing to deploy some kind of IDS/IPS solution (perhaps suricata?)... that would make it a very very very interesting unit.

Hey

Where is the PDF with those nice slides and the imaginary release dates ?

+1

Before they publish original slides there are some photos taken at presentation (zoom to make it readable):
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2NYKX9 ... edit?pli=1

More interesting devices:
RB260GSP - switch with PoE - 56$
Parabolic Antenna - 120$ - 130$

There is no price for mAP?

Schedule is only for order of events, the time changes all the time, because people don't stick to assigned length of presentations.

And this is something which, in my humble opinion, needs addressing. Today, for instance, a number of the presenters were very disrespectful of both the audience's time and also of the next presenter's. Personally, I think that some speakers are taking liberties with MT and the audience regarding the amount of time they are taking for their presentations - some spending as much time talking about their own company as the subject matter at hand. May I be the first to request that next year's European MUM has a presentation MC whose job it is is to warn presenters that they are approaching their time limit and then stop them presenting when they reach it.

The only people that could miss it, are those, who only came for the lottery, and didn't come for the MUM.

That's not very fair. People come to the MUM for a number of reasons - business networking, social, educational and interest. Requiring somebody to sit through presentations they have no interest in can hardly be beneficial to MT. I, for instance, have zero interest in WiFi and I can think of few things as interminably dull as sitting through WiFI based presentations. Does that mean my use of MT products is somehow less valid than the person who does?

CCR with 72 cores makes no sense to me, unless mikrotik is planing to deploy some kind of IDS/IPS solution (perhaps suricata?)... that would make it a very very very interesting unit.

It makes sense to us, but only if Mikrotik hurry up and finish "new routing" and also optimize Queue Trees to work efficiently on the Tilera routers.

Being able to do accurate L7 detection with something like Suricata and mark packets based on this would be another great application.

I wonder if the mAP has a built in connector for an antenna, similar to the little white MikroTik SOHO routers.

I like the fact that it can take af and at based PoE and PoE+ and also offer Passive PoE output. This is my assumption, by looking at the slides. I hope it does it when released.

inside of a building: PoE af switch in data closet-> mAP 'midspan' with access point covering a part of a floor/blackhole -> backhaul on the roof powered by the mAP Passive PoE output.

Can someone post some info on the CRS226?... I saw it in the slides, but can't read any of the info.

Nick, nobody stops you from entering and leaving the conference room. The agenda plan is updated all the time, and is located next to the door. It would be impolite to stop the presenter mid-sentence, they are not professional speakers, they are regular users with no special presenting skills. Nobody can blame them for being nervous and taking less or more time than estimated. If you want professional speakers to be on stage, the event would be quite different, and not technical.

New product slides: http://mum.mikrotik.com/presentations/IT14/it14.pdf

And this is something which, in my humble opinion, needs addressing. Today, for instance, a number of the presenters were very disrespectful of both the audience's time and also of the next presenter's. Personally, I think that some speakers are taking liberties with MT and the audience regarding the amount of time they are taking for their presentations - some spending as much time talking about their own company as the subject matter at hand. May I be the first to request that next year's European MUM has a presentation MC whose job it is is to warn presenters that they are approaching their time limit and then stop them presenting when they reach it.

New product slides: http://mum.mikrotik.com/presentations/IT14/it14.pdf

Good news! RB850Gx2 is exactly what I need, fanless replacement for RB450G .... any more data on this product? performance expectations vs rb4505, rb2011 or rb800? microsd? flash size? maximum mtu?

I see no availability info on ccr1009 units ... when can we expect those? Also for mAP and RB260GSP ?

JF.

New product slides: http://mum.mikrotik.com/presentations/IT14/it14.pdf

Hi Normis. Thanks for this PDF.

When other presentations will be available in WIKI ?

RB260GSP - When will be available?
It is any chance to RB with poe-out with more than 5 ports?
What is gain of dish antennas?

No 802.11AC hardware

New product slides: http://mum.mikrotik.com/presentations/IT14/it14.pdf

Hi normis, thank you for the slides, just some notes:

1) the QRT: is it dual pol or better? BTW I hoped something more similar to the nanobridge (parabolic integrated antenna)
2) regarding CAPS, I really still do not understand... CAPS is it for..... ? I know, I did not see the presentation but from the slides or the manual I really do not get what it should do. My advice is to work a little more on the communication regarding this product
3) do you plan to have a BaseBox5 in a metal case?

Thank you

New product slides: http://mum.mikrotik.com/presentations/IT14/it14.pdf

Hi normis, thank you for the slides, just some notes:

1) the QRT: is it dual pol or better? BTW I hoped something more similar to the nanobridge (parabolic integrated antenna)
2) regarding CAPS, I really still do not understand... CAPS is it for..... ? I know, I did not see the presentation but from the slides or the manual I really do not get what it should do. My advice is to work a little more on the communication regarding this product
3) do you plan to have a BaseBox5 in a metal case?

Thank you

1. Dual pol flat panel integrated
2. Mass configuration and management of wireless devices. In a hotel, with many rooms, you can with one click change all frequencies and SSID without logging into each device. You can keep groups of devices, and manage per group etc.
3. There is something like that coming in near future

Finally some exciting news

Normis, those dish antennas are for 5GHz band?
Can you tell us more about them (gain, vswr-frequency graph, port-to-port isolation and other specs)?

New product slides: http://mum.mikrotik.com/presentations/IT14/it14.pdf

Hi normis, thank you for the slides, just some notes:

1) the QRT: is it dual pol or better? BTW I hoped something more similar to the nanobridge (parabolic integrated antenna)
2) regarding CAPS, I really still do not understand... CAPS is it for..... ? I know, I did not see the presentation but from the slides or the manual I really do not get what it should do. My advice is to work a little more on the communication regarding this product
3) do you plan to have a BaseBox5 in a metal case?

Thank you

1. Dual pol flat panel integrated
2. Mass configuration and management of wireless devices. In a hotel, with many rooms, you can with one click change all frequencies and SSID without logging into each device. You can keep groups of devices, and manage per group etc.
3. There is something like that coming in near future

Normis: Any word on seamless roaming or better roaming with CAP? Or is CAP only for configuration.

-Eric

It would be great to manage SimpleQueues via CAPS.
Normis is that planned feature for CAPS?

It would be great to manage SimpleQueues via CAPS.
Normis is that planned feature for CAPS?

you are managing APs via CAPs, for user management you can use hotspot/radius on CAPs-manager router.

It would be great to manage SimpleQueues via CAPS.
Normis is that planned feature for CAPS?

you are managing APs via CAPs, for user management you can use hotspot/radius on CAPs-manager router.

Anything about roaming?

New product slides: http://mum.mikrotik.com/presentations/IT14/it14.pdf

Thanks

ccr 1072...smartcard...what will it be used for? console (physical router access) authentication ?

Is the S in RB260GSP for SFP?

Is the S in RB260GSP for SFP?

I think its for switch.....

-Eric

New product slides: http://mum.mikrotik.com/presentations/IT14/it14.pdf

Thanks

ccr 1072...smartcard...what will it be used for? console (physical router access) authentication ?

Storing certificates.

New product slides: http://mum.mikrotik.com/presentations/IT14/it14.pdf

Thanks

ccr 1072...smartcard...what will it be used for? console (physical router access) authentication ?

Storing certificates.

Makes sense...

New product slides: http://mum.mikrotik.com/presentations/IT14/it14.pdf

Thanks

ccr 1072...smartcard...what will it be used for? console (physical router access) authentication ?

Storing certificates.

Yeah that's sounds grate. i also would like to see that ROS supports RSA for SSH keys, we have RSA based smartcards which we are using for ssh auth on servers. these cards hold a RSA keys which are not supported by ROS

Is the S in RB260GSP for SFP?

On the photo can be seen SFP led so i am thinking that RB260GSP has SFP port.
Normis can you confirm?
When RB260GSP will be available?

Is the S in RB260GSP for SFP?

On the photo can be seen SFP led so i am thinking that RB260GSP has SFP port.
Normis can you confirm?
When RB260GSP will be available?

this "photo" looks like it's rendered. i would really like to have an SFP. that's a device i'm looking for. you can power the wireless devices and have an fiber uplink to a router somewhere else.

Is the S in RB260GSP for SFP?

On the photo can be seen SFP led so i am thinking that RB260GSP has SFP port.
Normis can you confirm?
When RB260GSP will be available?

this "photo" looks like it's rendered. i would really like to have an SFP. that's a device i'm looking for. you can power the wireless devices and have an fiber uplink to a router somewhere else.

The 260GS also has an SFP port... I assume the GSP will.

I hope if Tilera finally goes 28nm and Mikrotik finishes debugging RouterOS 6 soon, there will be something small and fanless next year like CCR1048-12G-4S+UP-52ac-IN

I am wondering:

Can wireless interface(s) on the caps manager RB also be added to the caps manager system on that same RB?

Tony

Product presentation: http://mum.mikrotik.com/presentations/IT14/it14.pdf
New brochure with mAP and others: http://download2.mikrotik.com/2014-Q1.pdf

Hi
where will you can download beta versions of routeros with caps manager?
from official page ? http://www.mikrotik.com/download ?

Best regards
Piotr

Hi
where will you can download beta versions of routeros with caps manager?
from official page ? http://www.mikrotik.com/download ?

Best regards
Piotr

Like it was announced, beta will follow in a "few weeks time"

New brochure with mAP and others: http://download2.mikrotik.com/2014-Q1.pdf

Thanks for brochure. On page 38 is CCR1072-1G-8S+ but on photo is ccr1016

New brochure with mAP and others: http://download2.mikrotik.com/2014-Q1.pdf

Thanks for brochure. On page 38 is CCR1072-1G-8S+ but on photo is ccr1016

page was there due to a mistake. we will remove it.

New brochure with mAP and others: http://download2.mikrotik.com/2014-Q1.pdf

Thanks for brochure. On page 38 is CCR1072-1G-8S+ but on photo is ccr1016

page was there due to a mistake. we will remove it.

There is also mistake in storage size of mAP. 16 MB is not sufficient for downloading firmware update.

There is also mistake in storage size of mAP. 16 MB is not sufficient for downloading firmware update.

not a mistake

There is also mistake in storage size of mAP. 16 MB is not sufficient for downloading firmware update.

not a mistake

Will it have smaller version of RouterOS? Or some packages removed by default? I guess that it will be really hard to fit in such a small storage? Mipsbe upgrade package is 10MB alone.
Brochure says: "The mAP is a tiny size wireless Access Point with full RouterOS capabilities." What's the trick?

special mAP feature, it stores the packages in RAM during upgrade.

special mAP feature, it stores the packages in RAM during upgrade.

Nice! I can't wait for this device!
So final questions are: when? what's the price?

New brochure with mAP and others: http://download2.mikrotik.com/2014-Q1.pdf

No mention for CCR1009 so I guess it will bring it to Q2 2014?

New brochure with mAP and others: http://download2.mikrotik.com/2014-Q1.pdf

No mention for CCR1009 so I guess it will bring it to Q2 2014?

April

I hope if Tilera finally goes 28nm and Mikrotik finishes debugging RouterOS 6 soon, there will be something small and fanless next year like CCR1048-12G-4S+UP-52ac-IN

Or perhaps CCR1042-12G-3S+UP-52ac-IN, since I think it will be hard to make fanless with only one node shrink, unless some LP process is used maybe (which might impose some additional cores).

If 52 is not simultaneous or ac, I don't care about the wireless.

Will the new RB850Gx2 support MetaRouter?

--Eric

New brochure with mAP and others: http://download2.mikrotik.com/2014-Q1.pdf

No mention for CCR1009 so I guess it will bring it to Q2 2014?

April

Im guessing the hold up is due to the fact that it now has Dual Power Supplies.

Does the RB850Gx2 have 500mhz or 400mhz processor?

MUM slides say 500mhz but product brochure says 400mhz

Does the RB850Gx2 have 500mhz or 400mhz processor?

MUM slides say 500mhz but product brochure says 400mhz

RAM frequency is 400MHz, CPU is 500MHz, it was a mistake in the brochure. We will fix the online version.

RAM frequency is 400MHz, CPU is 500MHz, it was a mistake in the brochure. We will fix the online version.

Is flash size 128mb also mistake? rb450g had 512mb ... a successor would be expected to have same or better characteristics ... more ram is welcome.

JF

special mAP feature, it stores the packages in RAM during upgrade.

Cool, so a initrd style compressed root ?

All wating for the Mikrotik AC platform

Perhaps a miniPCIe card made by MikroTik for the new
MikroTik RB953GS-5HnT that adds the 802.ac standard?

- RB850Gx2
I think many of the customers will be happy to hear something
about that device! And I agree well done Mikrotik.

- CCR1072
I cant await to this router in action,
ideal for 10 GBit/s Uplinks and LAGs (LACP)
or uplinking to some switch stacks or many
single switches.

- CAPs Manager
Would be awesome to handle better great wlan
instalments with many wireless access points.

CCR with 72 cores makes no sense to me,

Really? I thought it would be really powerful enough to handle
many or more 10 GBit/s uplinks or WAN interfaces, do you think
the CCR1036 is powerful enough to handle those load?
Massively DPI and VPN handling would also be a choice for
this router.

unless mikrotik is planing to deploy some kind of IDS/IPS solution (perhaps suricata?)... that would make it a very very very interesting unit.

+ 5 very welcome also here, and on top something that is strong enough
to handle deep packet inspection but not pulling down the CPU.
Also a load balancer or Queue handler to hold many many many queues.
Or all together

Is flash size 128mb also mistake?

I really hope not and the Metarouter feature must be also there
where we leave it

rb450g had 512mb ... a successor would be expected to have same or better characteristics ... more ram is welcome.

+ 500 from me for that!

RAM frequency is 400MHz, CPU is 500MHz, it was a mistake in the brochure. We will fix the online version.

Is flash size 128mb also mistake? rb450g had 512mb ... a successor would be expected to have same or better characteristics ... more ram is welcome.

JF

Alright, we have heard you, and RB850Gx2 will have 512MB NAND also

Well, that was quick

Good day Normis,

Interesting products - can't wait to put some in the field.

(Forgive me for being the pariah here, what does concern me however is that given spectrum constraints it may be difficult to make full use of all this processing power)

My ultimate question is... - Will there be any thoughts/development surrounding (ftth) GEPON or GPON based products in the near/medium future? I.e. Gepon sfp modules, OLT's or OLU's .

Any insight/info would be appreciated.

Alright, we have heard you, and RB850Gx2 will have 512MB NAND also

Super, it really should be as JanezFord was explaining it, a small Openwrt or a tiny
asterisk installation in metarouter wiuld be very welcome at the RB450G and so the
following router or replacement model should have also the same or more RAM inside!

Thanks very much for this information related to the brand new RB850Gx2!♬

My ultimate question is... - Will there be any thoughts/development surrounding (ftth) GEPON or GPON based products in the near/medium future? I.e. Gepon sfp modules, OLT's or OLU's .

Is there not a solution (Finisar SFP with GEPON) out that will be running under RouterOS?
I mean all peoples are talking about but until now I was not seeing anyone who was buying
an testing on of this Finisair SFP tranceivers out, but should this be a solution.

Alright, we have heard you, and RB850Gx2 will have 512MB NAND also

So, maybe mAP should have some more NAND, too? I guess that doubling the storage size would make price higher by one dolar but will give us peace of mind. If I sell hundreds of this devices I will worry about APs filling it's storage. Peace of mind and stability are worth more then dolar . MikroTik devices are already freaking cheap (comparing to other vendors) so You don't have to fight for every cent.

If I sell hundreds of this devices I will worry about APs filling it's storage. Peace of mind and stability are worth more then dolar .

More than 20 € I will pay more for those edge data.

MikroTik devices are already freaking cheap (comparing to other vendors)

But in my eyes this money counting is done from the false side!
Many peoples I really good know are thinking a router for 30 € are a cheap device,
but this is only the half or better not the true.

1 CCR1036-8G-4S EM for 1500 € is running 5 years in a company with 200 employees.

5 years x 12 month = 60 month
1500 € : 60 month = 25 € : 200 employees = 12,5 Euro cent for each nose and ten years
This is a cheap router in my eyes!

Any word on hardware NAT?

a small Openwrt or a tiny
asterisk installation in metarouter wiuld be very welcome at the RB450G and so the
following router or replacement model should have also the same or more RAM inside!

Thanks very much for this information related to the brand new RB850Gx2!♬

RB850Gx2 is dual-core, so I assume chances are metarouter will not be supported on this board.

a small Openwrt or a tiny
asterisk installation in metarouter wiuld be very welcome at the RB450G and so the
following router or replacement model should have also the same or more RAM inside!

Thanks very much for this information related to the brand new RB850Gx2!♬

RB850Gx2 is dual-core, so I assume chances are metarouter will not be supported on this board.

Perhaps you are right with this but a more powerful board isn´t supporting
metarouter and the lower powered board does?

Could be that I am wrong now with my thinking but in my eyes it
should be that the following device or so called replacement device
should have the same feature setup or functions that customers
will be able to settle from the older to the newer device without any
pain and/or new opened "problems" so it would be ensured that the
new device would be also smooth running on the sales and customers
get more and not less with a newer device.

Ok surely only in my poor opinion.

Nick, nobody stops you from entering and leaving the conference room. The agenda plan is updated all the time, and is located next to the door. It would be impolite to stop the presenter mid-sentence, they are not professional speakers, they are regular users with no special presenting skills. Nobody can blame them for being nervous and taking less or more time than estimated. If you want professional speakers to be on stage, the event would be quite different, and not technical.

It's been my first MUM and I was glad I've finally found time to join one! (That was no too much travel too!)
I do agree with normiss what he says here, but I also agree that 45 mins for most speakers in not enough, or they actually waiste first 10 mins in having the business talk or showing where they came from... that can all be omitted and yes, a bit more regulation could be of use here.
But than again, I have been with other events of same or different nature and basically speakers almost always use more time than assigned... I'll guess its human nature....

One suggestion I really would like to make is: 'workshops'. (Not 'courses'. Way too expensive!)

With the amount of listeners, interested or not, to nowadays presentations the more 'in-depth' interested party that really would like to discuss the subject in more detail has either no change or is delaying the presentation even more.
To find the presentator after his session to speak with him is sometimes impossible or at least difficult.
I think to give the MUM a more interest towards the 'skilled' user is to have special workshops for dedicated corners of the (inter-)network world with MT in special.
These workshops should be attended by no more than 20-30 people for instance and might last up to 2-3 hours or so to have plenty of time to discuss with tutor/presentator the subject in more detail. People should enlist at forehand (registration! If it shows big demand a workshop could even be repeated each day) and these workshops should be held in separate rooms with special notification what the workshop is all about at the entrance's door. (To keep the not interested out.)
One other advantage of such 'small classes type' of workshops would be that it would make it much more easier to get in touch to that fellow participant that happens to be interested in the same field as you. This way it would make it much easier to find the contact you are looking for.
Now I just see about a thousand attendants but I have no clue what sfere of interest has the guy in front of me....
It would be so nice to get to speak to this guy that just is having the same issue, or solution, as I have/am looking for. During small classroom stile workshops the change I will meet that other person of my interest is soo much bigger....

I have seen this in some other vendors events and it makes these much more interesting.... You can really build a discussion with other people or presentator in the specific field of interest and the ones not interested should not attend. This would attrackt more 'skilled' users to the event and more knowledge will be spread amongst us users.....

Other suggestion I would like to make:
- More space for vendors/bigger exhibition. MT should promote/approach more vendors to join. The more to see the more interesting the more people will join. I understood the one in Venice was good but to be honest, after 3 or 4 hours walking around I've seen it all and was just waiting for the next interesting lecture in the main hall.

- I saw some people bringing their partners but not so much towards the event itself. Understandable. Maybe it is an idea to organise some trips for the partners (probably all female) during the days of the event. This will probably attract more wifes/girlfriends and therefore more visitors.

Thanks for feedback, Rudy!

Thanks for feedback, Rudy!

Another one; Sevilla, Madrid or Barcelona are nice too! Beuatifull towns for the wifes and good (and cheap!) transport at relative short traveltimes for Europe members.
When do we see a MUM in our region?

Thanks for feedback, Rudy!

Another one; Sevilla, Madrid or Barcelona are nice too! Beuatifull towns for the wifes and good (and cheap!) transport at relative short traveltimes for Europe members.
When do we see a MUM in our region?

We actually have an idea in one of those places for 2015. We will look for appropriate venues. If price and availability is right, maybe we will come to España

Will the RB850Gx2 handle 1gbps routing through pppoe ?

The biggest Romanian ISP just released nation wide 1gbps internet and there's a lot of people looking for a 1gbps capable router. Right now the only options are some tp-link and asus models that offer hardware acceleration for 100-300$.

I think there's a big market for a 951g like router with dual band wifi and hardware acceleration.

Beuatifull towns for the wifes and good (and cheap!)

If this should be the main point related to the circumstances
where the next MuM will be made or organized, I will be sure
that next one will be in Thailand, Bangkok, Pattaya, Koh Samui, Phuket.

Not bad, not bad Rudy, you will not only think on our equipment and
wireless stuff you will also thinking to out soul!

Beautifull towns for the wifes and good (and cheap!)

If this should be the main point related to the circumstances
where the next MuM will be made or organized, I will be sure
that next one will be in Thailand, Bangkok, Pattaya, Koh Samui, Phuket.

Not bad, not bad Rudy, you will not only think on our equipment and
wireless stuff you will also thinking to out soul!

Well, the sentence was; "Beuatifull towns for the wifes and good (and cheap) transport."
I doubt if flying for us from Europe to these east asian destination will work out as 'cheap' allthough there will be many holiday arrangements in that direction.

The idea is more that West Europe hemisphere is also lacking MUM events. Venice so far is the most western imho while I know that special in Spain and Portugal are many Mikrotik users as in the rest of north europe. Flights from the North European countries into 'holiday country' Spain are amongst the cheapest you can get in Europe.
For the cost of my roundtrip ticket to Venice (from Alicante) I can buy 3 or 4 roundtrips to most airports in the UK, Holland, Germany of France!

Barcelona, Madrid or Sevilla are definately ranking high on many wife's wish list to spend a long weekend after the mum with there partner.
I had one of the best weekend for years in Venice with my wife during 'Carnaval de Venice'! Even my wife now thanks me for beeing a Mikrotik enthousiast!
We are already looking ahead for the next 'suitable' MUM event!

I think there's a big market for a 951g like router with dual band wifi and hardware acceleration.

Would a RB953GS-5HnT not better match for this field and customers?

New brochure with mAP and others: http://download2.mikrotik.com/2014-Q1.pdf

Thanks for brochure. On page 38 is CCR1072-1G-8S+ but on photo is ccr1016

page was there due to a mistake. we will remove it.

Today (28.02.2014) downloaded PDF:
Model RB850Gx2
CPU P1023 400MHz

Today (28.02.2014) downloaded PDF:
Model RB850Gx2
CPU P1023 400MHz

Amazon cloud is propogating it now, should be updated in a few minutes.

@wirelessrudy
It was a joke rudy, what interests me wife if new routers comes out!
And by the way I want see the grounding of your RB1000 life!

is there a release period for the new CCR 1072?

Thank you
Ben

Hi
In pdf file from MUM italy was wrote "Beta available in the next few days, full release coming in a few weeks" . I read that "next few days" concerns " private beta" . What it means "private beta" ? closed audience ? Can I get a version of the test ?

best regards
Piotr

Hi
where will you can download beta versions of routeros with caps manager?
from official page ? http://www.mikrotik.com/download ?

Best regards
Piotr

Like it was announced, beta will follow in a "few weeks time"

Hi
In pdf file from MUM italy was wrote "Beta available in the next few days, full release coming in a few weeks" . I read that "next few days" concerns " private beta" . What it means "private beta" ? closed audience ? Can I get a version of the test ?

best regards
Piotr

Hi
where will you can download beta versions of routeros with caps manager?
from official page ? http://www.mikrotik.com/download ?

Best regards
Piotr

Like it was announced, beta will follow in a "few weeks time"

Private beta means invitation only. Once people have found the most obvious problems, we will release a public test package.

Any more details about the RB850Gx2?
I started a thread here: http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=82684

No word on 802.11ac

If there would be shares I would sell it immediately.

At the MUM I heard some, off the record.... We have to be patient, as usual....
Hopefully not too long. I could really use some of these. Now trying to get them somewhere else. But that´s hard to find. I won't settle for less than 25dBm per chain....

I think anyway with the new regulations in place we should be getting 30dBm+ cards coming. 33, or 36dBm....

No word on 802.11ac

If there would be shares I would sell it immediately.

At the MUM I heard some, off the record.... We have to be patient, as usual....
Hopefully not too long. I could really use some of these. Now trying to get them somewhere else. But that´s hard to find. I won't settle for less than 25dBm per chain....

I think anyway with the new regulations in place we should be getting 30dBm+ cards coming. 33, or 36dBm....

With the announced 30db Antenna you dont need that much power to get a 256qam link working.

I think anyway with the new regulations in place we should be getting 30dBm+ cards coming. 33, or 36dBm....

You've new regulations in spain?

yep, new band extension and up to 4W!
This is Spanish document, but I'll think it counts for the whole of Europe...

Regarding the ac cards. The wisper was not about the power. The wisper was about some testing.....

But yes, high power ac card, possibly even triple chain, would give you the option to make stable high throughput backbone links even in congested spectrum situations.
Off course it will never beat licensed (=$$$$) links but for a fraction of the price you get something almost performing the same....

yep, new band extension and up to 4W!
This is Spanish document, but I'll think it counts for the whole of Europe...

Regarding the ac cards. The wisper was not about the power. The wisper was about some testing.....

But yes, high power ac card, possibly even triple chain, would give you the option to make stable high throughput backbone links even in congested spectrum situations.
Off course it will never beat licensed (=$$$$) links but for a fraction of the price you get something almost performing the same....

Cant find any official statement on this. We've the upper band usable in germany with
atpc/dfs/4W Eirp but nothing around channel 80.

dfs needs some advanced radar detection and atpc has a wider regulation range. So using it with MT and correct setting
it reduces power to a minimum.

That's the whole document. Its done by an engineer of the official IT engineers college. They refer to some of the relative Spanish decrees. I think they know what they put down in a document to publish...

I heard it before it was going to happen, but it looks like its already approved.

dfs needs some advanced radar detection and atpc has a wider regulation range. So using it with MT and correct setting
it reduces power to a minimum.

Well, put it this way; If tomorrow all Spanish Wisps would be forced to use their radios according regulations I'll bet 80% ceased by the end of the month.
Just look at how the ubnt networks (95% of the networks nowadays use ubnt in Spain) work and perform. They do good, but only because they use way higher eirp than allowed. To stay within regulations almost all WISPs have to tune down their power outputs and thus loose the mayority of their clients.....
Similar story for radar detection and power control. If everybody really would use it it becomes unworkable. (And by the way, I don't know if that has been changed, but I tried the 'radar' option with MT once, years ago, and found it only does do the test if the board starts up. After that, as soon as the radio is running no more radar. So what is the use of that. If that is not changed since, probably MT's DFS is not even approved....)

And what to think about the new 2,4Ghz antenna's that are con¡ming on the market? MT is coming up with a 3Watt (!!!) 2,4Ghz antenna! What? Yes. 35dBm combined with a 17dBi antenna.... It comes with a sign that warns of birds in front!
Where is that allowed? As far as I know there is not a country in the world were this is legal. "But you have to set your radio according national regulations!" yeah, yeah. And Elvis Presley is not dead, he is still alive...

I think I feel pity for you if you're in North Europe. Because there probably you do have a 'spectrum police' that is active. But you know how things are, the further south.......

Hi Normis

Lots of exciting products on the list, it certainly looks like you guys are streamlining your prototype to production methods to keep rolling the products out faster.

Is the vision for CAPS simply for management purposes (which clearly its going to save a lot of time for), or is it also there a road map to bring on 802.11r support in your APs so that you can compete in mid-level enterprise wireless as well? I understand if the intention is also not to have it, but it obviously, you now have the framework once you are using AP controller where all the packets come directly to.

I'm also not sure if the Atheros quality of compatibility is up there as it is with enterprise focused APs like Rukus,Cisco and HPs... but maybe from your point of view they are getting there too? (Atheros works great on many things, but some phones and tablets seem to have dropping issues that other APs dont have a problem with - just an issue of cross vendor compatibility).

Kind Regards

Hi Normis

Lots of exciting products on the list, it certainly looks like you guys are streamlining your prototype to production methods to keep rolling the products out faster.

Is the vision for CAPS simply for management purposes (which clearly its going to save a lot of time for), or is it also there a road map to bring on 802.11r support in your APs so that you can compete in mid-level enterprise wireless as well? I understand if the intention is also not to have it, but it obviously, you now have the framework once you are using AP controller where all the packets come directly to.

I'm also not sure if the Atheros quality of compatibility is up there as it is with enterprise focused APs like Rukus,Cisco and HPs... but maybe from your point of view they are getting there too? (Atheros works great on many things, but some phones and tablets seem to have dropping issues that other APs dont have a problem with - just an issue of cross vendor compatibility).

Kind Regards

We are looking at all possibilities, including 802.11r

Hi Normis

Lots of exciting products on the list, it certainly looks like you guys are streamlining your prototype to production methods to keep rolling the products out faster.

Is the vision for CAPS simply for management purposes (which clearly its going to save a lot of time for), or is it also there a road map to bring on 802.11r support in your APs so that you can compete in mid-level enterprise wireless as well? I understand if the intention is also not to have it, but it obviously, you now have the framework once you are using AP controller where all the packets come directly to.

I'm also not sure if the Atheros quality of compatibility is up there as it is with enterprise focused APs like Rukus,Cisco and HPs... but maybe from your point of view they are getting there too? (Atheros works great on many things, but some phones and tablets seem to have dropping issues that other APs dont have a problem with - just an issue of cross vendor compatibility).

Kind Regards

We are looking at all possibilities, including 802.11r

Ok, thanks for getting back to me. obviously its more a "what can be done from investigation / research" process, now that the controller is ready. I know you guys certainly wont commit to anything just yet, but I was wondering: I assume you would need different access points in for thinks likes 802.11r (Or do some of the chipsets you have already actually support .11r but you've never had the controller to do the job).

CCR1072 inside

I see mini-pci-express!! CCR=Fastest accesspoint available!

CCR1072 inside

Thanks for sharing the picture!

I see mini-pci-express!! CCR=Fastest accesspoint available!

This one is only an alpha-prototype. There will be no miniPCIe on the actual product. This one is only for testing purposes.

I'm also not sure if the Atheros quality of compatibility is up there as it is with enterprise focused APs like Rukus,Cisco and HPs...

All the Ruckus APs I've used are Atheros.

CCR1072 inside

are all theses fans really needed? looks like a lot heat needs to be blown away, how is the power consumption?

I'm also not sure if the Atheros quality of compatibility is up there as it is with enterprise focused APs like Rukus,Cisco and HPs...

All the Ruckus APs I've used are Atheros.

Oh wow. I thought these companies were making their own components for the wireless chips. Interesting indeed

CCR1072 inside

are all theses fans really needed? looks like a lot heat needs to be blown away, how is the power consumption?

This is a very early prototype, it is not be similar to the actual product. The case is just a mock up

Is it going to be fanless?

JF.

hardly 3W(5W peak)chip need massive heatsink, let alone need for fan.
im more curious, about CPU choice. judging with what product it ought be competive.
in that case downclocked T1022(or even T1042 if product had to be Really crush other offers)look more valid, IMO. and e6500-based(Pxxxx) things for carrier-grade boxes under CCR performance.

CCR with 72 cores makes no sense to me, unless mikrotik is planing to deploy some kind of IDS/IPS solution (perhaps suricata?)... that would make it a very very very interesting unit.

Tilera chips already used in some IPS boxes(you may see some Singapore and American companies ads, for example), so it may had sense, but unlikely major and probably more about extra-throughput/pps, but talking bout Suricata - hardly it ready for production and hardly will be in future.
talking aside IPS - more advanced firewall than present(in separate package ? as part of Level5/Level6 license ?)may be welcomed even on slower devices, including those on 74k chips, proteting slow networks. in past days i was used zorp, for example.
but they also kinda power-consuming nearly anything was.

There will be no miniPCIe on the actual product.

Hm, why not, a modem slot to get alarms as sms would be also a fine option.
Or plain add a mSATA for user DB or syslog storage, or am I so wrong with this?

Tilera chips already used in some IPS boxes(you may see some Singapore and American companies ads, for example), so it may had sense, but unlikely major and probably more about extra-throughput/pps, but talking bout Suricata

Would be great to see a better DPI performance or plain something like
the suricata IDS/IPS solution, more on the CCR series for sure, but this would
be really making it more secure.

more advanced firewall than present(in separate package ? as part of Level5/Level6 license ?)may be welcomed even on slower devices, including those on 74k chips, proteting slow networks. in past days i was used zorp, for example. but they also kinda power-consuming nearly anything was.

Lanner was also setting up an new packet processing card based on the TileGx8036
so why not using thoose things such as DPI, IDS/IPS also inside the CCR series.

Alone massively DPI tasks would be narrow down the most routers hardly,
but with the CCR series this must not really be. And it was even also inserted
as a part of RouterOS for a long time.

I'm quite interested in the CCR1072. But why stick to a fixed form factor ?

Modular port-adapters and power supplies would help reduce developpement costs imho, and the XAUI interface can be transported as XGMII over 50cm.

Also it'll be more flexible with a module choice of XFP (for DWDM optics) or 10xSFP (switched), or even a passive PoE switched copper ports for dense radio sites...

Anyway, is there any release date yet ? Price point ?

Would like to request mini PCIe/PCIe functionality to be able to connect other devices such as GPUs, usb and sata and for routerOS to be able to run other programs to be able to implement own encryption, hashing, media functionalities, etc. Based on the tilera tile CPU spec it is also capable of multimedia functions as well. I also want to implement my own networked device monitoring but i dont want to have so many devices always turned on for this.

Having SATA for a hard drive or SSD is very useful for cache and logging
Regular DDR3 slots with ECC support would be useful too

Would like to request mini PCIe/PCIe functionality to be able to connect other devices such as GPUs, usb and sata and for routerOS to be able to run other programs to be able to implement own encryption, hashing, media functionalities, etc. Based on the tilera tile CPU spec it is also capable of multimedia functions as well. I also want to implement my own networked device monitoring but i dont want to have so many devices always turned on for this.

Having SATA for a hard drive or SSD is very useful for cache and logging
Regular DDR3 slots with ECC support would be useful too

Than better something a miniPCIe slot + SIM slot with mSATA, Modem and Wlan support.
So each of us are able to use the miniPCIe slot as he needs it.

I guess it would require Mikrotik to provide a wider coverage for drivers, or simply allow us to build the GPL'd code and package system.npk ourselves