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Belgium WISP / EIRP limitations

Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:20 pm

I'm looking into starting a WISP in Belgium

But actually we have some very strict regulations here regarding the spectrum's I'm looking for some rough reference that could explain me the co-relation between freq/EIRP power vs Users/bandwidth.

Below you see the regulation for the 5 ghz spectrum:

"Maximum mean e.i.r.p of 200
mW. and the maximum mean
e.i.r.p. density shall be limited to
10 mW/MHz in any 1 MHz band"

And this is the one for the 2.4 ghz spectrum:

"Max e.i.r.p of 100 mW and:
- 100 mW/100 kHz e.i.r.p. density
applies when frequency hopping
modulation is used
- 10 mW/MHz e.i.r.p. density
applies when other types of
modulation are used"

If you look at those figures, what would be (roughly calculated) be the average amount of users/bandwidth/range per mast? (1 mast 3 X 90° sector antennas)

Comparing to the US, what are your max's EIRP limitations?

Thanks a lot for your feedback !
 
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Re: Belgium WISP / EIRP limitations

Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:27 pm

I think you never start a WISP on Belgium with only 0,2W for 5GHz...

But you are really sure??? Only 0.2W???
from 5180 to 5320 max 0,2W EIRP !!! ONLY INDOOR !!!

In the other EU [...] are available also: from 5500 to 5700 max 1,0W EIRP + DFS + Radar Detector + Transmit Power Control
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Re: Belgium WISP / EIRP limitations

Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:32 pm

this is almost the same in all ETSI regulated areas (EU)

I dont think to many ppl follow this 100% annyway.
 
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Re: Belgium WISP / EIRP limitations

Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:49 pm

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Re: Belgium WISP / EIRP limitations

Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:11 pm

The Belgium allows the transmission on 5500-5700 outdoor?

I never read about that.
Can you give me a link to some official documents?
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Re: Belgium WISP / EIRP limitations

Sat Mar 08, 2014 5:02 pm

I got this information from a professional installer.
I speak to him and ask for the official documents.
If I reply from him I get that by as soon as possible.
You may be sure that this information on my website is true.
In Belgium the legislation provides the BIPT
http://www.bipt.be
I hope this helps you further
 
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Re: Belgium WISP / EIRP limitations

Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:10 pm

Yes limit is 1W 5470-5730Mhz
but can someone answer me :) lets say I have p2p link with new QRT-5 how they can find if my radio is operating on 1.5W or 2W power output
how can it be measured

5150-5360 I heard that it is for indoor - official everyone is using this freq for outdoor
 
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Re: Belgium WISP / EIRP limitations

Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:44 pm

I have experienced a measurement for a school.
The measurements take place with an appliance will be shown here.
They calculated the number of volts per meter.If a violation is measured.
The BIPT come with more advanced devices.
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Re: Belgium WISP / EIRP limitations

Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:48 pm

First of all u need to be in front of antenna u can not be 100m from antenna and make measure , second this device is measuring all the signals in the area so how the heck they will know if this signal is coming from ur antenna?
 
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Re: Belgium WISP / EIRP limitations

Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:02 pm

What you see here is a measurement carried out by the Ministry of health.
If a violation is measured
When in doubt become more sophisticated material used.
The BIPT is measuring.
I have never experienced a more comprehensive measurement.
Point to Point links can be measured more difficult
 
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Re: Belgium WISP / EIRP limitations

Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:10 am

Hi Pilsken,

Thanks a lot for your feedback, much appreciated,
Believe it or not, I came across your website before I saw this post :-)
So indeed, I missed the 5.6 Ghz specturm on the BIPT website ;-))
Thanks a lot for your advice !

By the way, I can recommend all the dutch speakers this great website !
(especially the mobile mast ! really impressive !)
 
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Re: Belgium WISP / EIRP limitations

Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:50 pm

Thanks leovinci81,


this is the list from official instances with all used frequenties.
Also ISM band
http://www.bipt.be/nl/operatoren/radio/ ... an/i-tabel
 
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Re: Belgium WISP / EIRP limitations

Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:13 pm

Thanks leovinci81,


this is the list from official instances with all used frequenties.
Also ISM band
http://www.bipt.be/nl/operatoren/radio/ ... an/i-tabel
Pilsken,

Thx, I based my question on that reference guide :-))
Hey, I'm wondering if there is no Mikrotik community in Belgium ?
We maybe should organize a local "MUM" ;-)) ?

Personally I'm based in Limburg & I'm really interested in your setup nearby Gent.
Pretty impressive :-))
 
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Re: Belgium WISP / EIRP limitations

Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:17 pm

Radio Mobile will give you propagation maps showing how far your signal will reach in your environment with your settings. You will need 30db of signal above your noise floor for full modulation you will also need to know your radios sensitivity.


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Re: Belgium WISP / EIRP limitations

Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:13 pm

Thanks leovinci81,


this is the list from official instances with all used frequenties.
Also ISM band
http://www.bipt.be/nl/operatoren/radio/ ... an/i-tabel
Pilsken,

Thx, I based my question on that reference guide :-))
Hey, I'm wondering if there is no Mikrotik community in Belgium ?
We maybe should organize a local "MUM" ;-)) ?

Personally I'm based in Limburg & I'm really interested in your setup nearby Gent.
Pretty impressive :-))
Wirelessbelgie is the mikrotik / ubnt community you are looking for ....

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