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802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:02 pm
by dallas
With 80mhz we need a spectrum analyzer. When can we have this feature. Its hard to find the best channel if we cant look. I use spectral scan all the time. Its so important.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:52 pm
by nz_monkey
With 80mhz we need a spectrum analyzer. When can we have this feature. Its hard to find the best channel if we cant look. I use spectral scan all the time. Its so important.
+1

I have to put up an extra 802.11n unit purely to do spectral scan's.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:56 pm
by dallas
Yeah I thought about that. You almost have to do that in order to put 80mhz on a tower. Its a really wide channels. Hey thanks for the input.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:56 am
by danletkeman
+1 for spectral scan support on 802.11ac. Just bought a bunch of NetMetal 5's and they can't do a spectral scan...... :shock:

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 11:24 am
by Quicksivler
Yep... same... just upgraded my first sector... but can't find what frequency to set the AP to.... very frusterating

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:18 pm
by plisken
Perhaps in later versions?
This is a pity to miss the spectral scan :(

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:47 pm
by dallas
Is mikrotik going to come out with new hardware? I cant see implementing my whole network over the AC if I cant see whats the antenna sees. It would make my job way too hard. We are doing state wide implementation. Thats a lot of hardware. At minimum cant you make a very high dbi antenna like Ubiquiti AF5 or even frequency syncing? Its not practical to keep ordering more of the existing product unless we have some type of feature like this.

To Find 80mhz available channel can be difficult. Please help us out. I want Mikrotik products for the backhauls.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:43 pm
by normis
It looks like we can implement Spectral Scan on existing devices, but it will take some time. It is on our to-do list

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:27 pm
by dallas
ok thanks

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:32 am
by n21roadie
It looks like we can implement Spectral Scan on existing devices, but it will take some time. It is on our to-do list
Please prioritize items like this as we (WISP's) need every tool today to deal with channel congestion and signal interference.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:41 pm
by dallas
Yeah this is very important. Our company just bough $80 grand in the last 2 months of airfiber 5. I am still waiting on the spectrum analyzer for the 802.11ac. We are expanding a couple states wide.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 6:51 pm
by n21roadie
Yeah this is very important. Our company just bough $80 grand in the last 2 months of airfiber 5. I am still waiting on the spectrum analyzer for the 802.11ac. We are expanding a couple states wide.
This spectral scan is not to confused with a spectrum analyzer which give a total view of the RF present on the frequencies it scans.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:53 pm
by dallas
If you want full RF use the spectral history command. If they implement the spectral scan they will also implement the spectral history. You can also use the dude to give you even greater detail.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 8:09 pm
by dallas
Just bought my first ubnt AC. It has a very cool live spectrum analyzer that works without taking service down. Mikrotik I want to use your product. Can you do this?
ubntac.PNG

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 10:34 pm
by CyberTod
On this photo i like a lot the fields Airtime and Interference + Noise

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 10:35 pm
by dallas
Yeah very helpful in live network.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 12:00 am
by n21roadie
I always welcome any item which helps in wireless but there is missing data,
For example is interference + noise -73dbm is it for the frequency used or as i suspect it for 4.9 to 6GHz,
The 3 peaks on the picture what frequencies are they,
Also without putting the radio into listen mode which disconnects registered clients you cannot get an accurate spectrum scan.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 12:03 am
by dallas
I agree. But its something that does work in the field. I just installed 3 of them instead of more AF5. I am just looking forward to getting anything helpful from mikrotik. Right now we just can deploy with see blind.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 8:26 pm
by nkourtzis
I made a similar feature request about a month ago, about the "Constellation Diagram" coming to RouterOS. At this moment, on the radio side alone, my view is that Ubiquiti wins MT hands down. Custom, highly sensitive and channel-selective ICs and advanced metrics, at the time that Mikrotik still struggles with NV2 performance issues and 802.11ac support is poor (still with no spectral scan).

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:12 pm
by dallas
yeah I dont use NV2. Nstreme is so solid. Its better than any other protocol out there. As long as you know how to use it.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:22 pm
by honzam
I made a similar feature request about a month ago, about the "Constellation Diagram" coming to RouterOS.
+1

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:34 pm
by n21roadie
yeah I dont use NV2. Nstreme is so solid. Its better than any other protocol out there. As long as you know how to use it.
I assume you are talking about PTP and not PTMP and what is your recommended settings for Nstreme?

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:45 pm
by n21roadie
I made a similar feature request about a month ago, about the "Constellation Diagram" coming to RouterOS.
+1
Would it not make more sense for the development of radios that have very high rejection to unwanted frequencies (interference) when in listen mode rather than sales spin of "Constellation Diagram" of how good it is.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:31 pm
by dallas
Rejection of the same frequency? If not just use a cavity filter. Its already out there. Works great.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 5:21 pm
by n21roadie
Rejection of the same frequency? If not just use a cavity filter. Its already out there. Works great.
Yeah try fitting them into a integrated sector or PTP link that has the board in the antenna and also unless you happen to use a frequency which gives optimum impedance load the insertion losses can be quite high on the N connectors?

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 5:25 pm
by n21roadie
yeah I dont use NV2. Nstreme is so solid. Its better than any other protocol out there. As long as you know how to use it.
I tried both 802.11 and Nstreme for PTP links and when there is co-location interference NV2 is the most stable choice when using OSPF routing.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 8:37 pm
by dallas
Yeah that is correct. I love the spectral scan. Because if nstreme dont work, then you have a problem. Use the spectral scan to find a clear channel on both side and boom. Nstreme works and you just tune a little and you get very fast link.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:55 pm
by n21roadie
Yeah that is correct. I love the spectral scan. Because if nstreme dont work, then you have a problem. Use the spectral scan to find a clear channel on both side and boom. Nstreme works and you just tune a little and you get very fast link.
I have seen high signals levels of -30dbm at 5200 effecting units running on 5800, spectral scan will show you that you have a clean channel at 5800 and yet CCQ takes a nosedive because the input stage of the of the 5800 device is overloaded by -30dbm at 5200, the real question is how do we reduce when elimination is much harder to achieve, normally moving devices further physically apart helps but to compound the problem, more and more sectors are required as customers internet usage has resulted in fewer clients capacity per sector so what do you do when moving cannot be done and to add to this you cannot move frequencies either on a busy mast.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 4:39 pm
by dallas
Yeah, I call them problem customers. Adjusting power or moving the antenna fixes those customers. I sometimes put up a second antenna and move one customer at a time to find some problem customers. But a better tool would be cooler.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:24 pm
by n21roadie
Yeah, I call them problem customers. Adjusting power or moving the antenna fixes those customers. I sometimes put up a second antenna and move one customer at a time to find some problem customers. But a better tool would be cooler.
As mentioned I cannot on a busy mast move AP's or PTP's or even frequencies, there is a fundamental flaw in how wireless transmission
operates during transmission (TX ) it maybe 20-80 Mhz wide but in receive (RX) its full bandwidth 4.9-6ghz- and there lies the issue, antenna gain bandwidth can reduce this along with RF screening, at best spectral scan when you analyze the waveform will give you a rough indication when performance of AP's or PTP's will be effected by co-location interference,

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:26 pm
by dallas
agree

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:47 pm
by dallas
Any update on the spectral history tool?

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:40 am
by soulflyhigh
+1
Spectral scan is a great tool for troubleshooting.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:02 am
by server8
+1

Giuseppe

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 4:23 pm
by dallas
Mikrotik. You dont have to improve the design of the spectral tool. Its already awesome from the New Terminal! We just need a working feature. Thanks in advance.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:34 am
by Quicksivler
Any update on this.. about to deploy more AC units and Specral scan is quite important

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:46 pm
by dallas
I agree.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:46 pm
by n21roadie
I recently encountered an issue where a spectral wouldn't have helped as the device (yet to be identified) was not using 802.xx wireless protocol so it just simply would not appear on the scan and was causing wireless to randomly disconnect,
also remember reading where a user suggested looking at the signal noise floor but without a signal strength indication of the offending device its much harder to locate ?

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:10 pm
by bkus
Mikrotik, any update on 802.11ac chipset spectral scan release? This is very important at multi-radio sites. We are holding off on buying NetMetals until they can do this.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:05 pm
by dallas
I agree. I have been just using the CCQ and this product is better than anything else out there thats AC so I am forcing my self to use it even though we have no spectrum analyzer. Please mikrotik. We need it.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:06 pm
by dallas
However I would like to use AC for point to multipoint. I must have spectrum anazlyer for that. Backhauls I can get by.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:39 pm
by okoun
Also, please launch spectral-history to the RB922. I think it is a step back to a new wireless card did not function. I expected that they will have a little better function, but the opposite is true.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:24 am
by chechito
a total step back for mikrotik from being a leader offering spectrum analysis when many vendors do not offer it.

now that spectrum analysis is a common feature offered by many vendors mikrotik decide to left this feature out.


sincerely is hard to understand mikrotik strategy

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:00 am
by dallas
Mikrotik will get it. I am sure they are very busy getting us the other features. But this one could get them way ahead in the game. AC is complex. Maybe it will take them a while to get it going.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:50 pm
by nkourtzis
Are we sure that it CAN be done? I mean, is there chipset support for it? UBNT are using their own silicon...

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:52 pm
by nkourtzis
I agree. I have been just using the CCQ and this product is better than anything else out there thats AC so I am forcing my self to use it even though we have no spectrum analyzer. Please mikrotik. We need it.
What's CCQ? And makes it so good?

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:36 pm
by dallas
I am sure it can be done. CCQ is the quality of the link as it is at the moment. Best way to use it to get best reading is pass bandwidth across the link. If it shows 100% then you know its a clean frequency. But if you dont pass bandwidth. You could get a invalid CCQ. Its the best way as of right now.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 1:11 pm
by taduikis
Yeah. I was to buy a couple dozen RB922 cards for AC evolution. Now instead, I have to buy UBNT gear..

Was waiting for spectral-scan for more than half a year now, since I got my hands on NetMetals.. Disappointing :(
a total step back for mikrotik from being a leader offering spectrum analysis when many vendors do not offer it.

now that spectrum analysis is a common feature offered by many vendors mikrotik decide to left this feature out.


sincerely is hard to understand mikrotik strategy

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 4:35 pm
by dallas
I still love them. Pretty fast and reliable. I had ubnt. Mikrotik is way more stable. I ended up removing all ubnt ac.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:21 pm
by chechito
I still love them. Pretty fast and reliable. I had ubnt. Mikrotik is way more stable. I ended up removing all ubnt ac.

leave the ubnt installed only to do spectral scan :lol: use the mikrotik for production traffic.

i hope you dont have an interference issue, without spectral scan will be a nightmare

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:23 pm
by taduikis
I agree. MT is extremely reliable and convenient. Especially with all it's integration possibilities. But spectral-history is very needed tool to plan and deploy your network.. I'm also considering good old RB912, but I want AC ability.

It would be great to hear something from MT. At least if this feature is planned at all..

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:23 pm
by taduikis
I agree. MT is extremely reliable and convenient. Especially with all it's integration possibilities. But spectral-history is very needed tool to plan and deploy your network.. I'm also considering good old RB912, but I want AC ability.

It would be great to hear something from MT. At least if this feature is planned at all..

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:10 pm
by dallas
I taught my self a stable way(takes a while though) to get a clean frequency. But "yes" we must get a spectrum analyzer done. Mikrotik can do it. They just need to prioritize this project.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 1:02 am
by chechito
maybe if you dont need 80mhz channels still using old 5ghz 802.11n mikrotik equipment :?

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 11:59 pm
by changeip
Im sure it is there and works, its just DUDE that isn't recognizing how to tell the unit to do it... UPGRADE DUDE!

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:15 am
by dallas
They dont have it even builtin in routeros for us to test from there either. They need to make that first and the dude will work.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:53 am
by Jetrider
I assume spectral scan still is not working for ac ? If it is never implemented, that would absolutely shorten the application and implementation of such devices.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 6:09 am
by wispwest
I have to constantly go to tower sites, take down the MIkrotik radio, install UBNT radio, do an AirView spectral scan, then put the MIkrotik back up because MIkrotik STILL does not have any spectral scan tool, which almost renders the device worthless. This is SOOO necessary!!!! And I'm actually shocked they do not have anything available yet. The "freq usage" and whatever else is worthless, because it ONLY shows usage on 802.11 devices, and on the same channel width, etc., doesn't show just ALL noise on the band. How do ya'll figure out what channel to use?

After we got used to AirView with UBNT, I can't ever go back!

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 6:36 am
by diorges
+1 for spectral-scan!

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 10:45 am
by tonymobile
+1 for spectral-scan!

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 4:14 pm
by n21roadie
I have to constantly go to tower sites, take down the MIkrotik radio, install UBNT radio, do an AirView spectral scan, then put the MIkrotik back up because MIkrotik STILL does not have any spectral scan tool, which almost renders the device worthless. This is SOOO necessary!!!! And I'm actually shocked they do not have anything available yet. The "freq usage" and whatever else is worthless, because it ONLY shows usage on 802.11 devices, and on the same channel width, etc., doesn't show just ALL noise on the band. How do ya'll figure out what channel to use?

After we got used to AirView with UBNT, I can't ever go back!
While I agree a spectral scan can be a worthwhile additional to us WISP's but this type of scan does not give the complete picture of what devices in the licence exempt bands are actually present, another poster did say on this forum that even though you cannot see the other device(s) on the scan the operational noise floor will reveal its presence.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 8:31 pm
by dallas
yeah looking at CCQ is a little more accurate than noise floor. Spectral-history is the best. I can do a spectal-history when someone is on the tower turns stuff on or off. Or just simply moving something. Thats why this is so important. I can make ever AC link get maximum throughput.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:35 am
by bachebikar
+1 for spectral-scan!

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:47 pm
by chechito
we have 3 issues (and counting) with ac equipment:

no 10mhz channel
no spectral scan
no tx power control

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:38 am
by bajodel
we have 3 issues (and counting) with ac equipment:..
+1 10mhz channel
+1 spectral scan
+1 tx power control

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 9:09 am
by marekm
+3

Not just 10 MHz, please support other non-standard channel widths and frequencies (with advanced channels license) too. I have some spectrum in 6GHz licensed band where channels are 28 MHz wide with 29.65 MHz spacing, currently have to use 20 MHz wide channels centered at multiples of 5 MHz.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 9:54 am
by ochyst
It looks like we can implement Spectral Scan on existing devices, but it will take some time. It is on our to-do list
Its is on your to-do list from 12/2014, its a very long time and we need this feature.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 3:29 pm
by mistry7
+1 10mhz channel
+1 spectral scan
+1 tx power control

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2015 2:18 am
by ochyst
It looks like we can implement Spectral Scan on existing devices, but it will take some time. It is on our to-do list
Its is on your to-do list from 12/2014, its a very long time and we need this feature.
No answer here, no answer to [Ticket#2015092466000985] with same question from 24.9.2015 :(

Hey, Guys, I know, that you had a MUM, but your answer is necessary!!!

At MUM 03/2015 Prague Uldis told me, that ss (spectral scan) on ac chipset will be first thing, which will be implemented about next 3 months, next will be implemented support for custom frq for chipsets AR93xx and all newer one!

Go On, hear for some time ISPes. Mikrotik Go ON! You products is beautifle BUT......

It seems, that you will must release the new version of dude, because its seems to be a hard problem to reproduce your very beautiful thinks to new chipsets!

Do you affraid to release new (old) features for ISP or There Is another problem?

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 12:12 am
by boardman
It looks like we can implement Spectral Scan on existing devices, but it will take some time. It is on our to-do list
Will this row on the "to do" list, getting closer or getting farther? It's been a while ....isn't it?

Regards

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 12:42 am
by ste
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I still love them. Pretty fast and reliable. I had ubnt. Mikrotik is way more stable. I ended up removing all ubnt ac.
You tried UBNT AC to early. They need 6-12 Months from release until it is usable. Live Spectrum Scan of AP + all CPES in one table is a great feature. With MT HW this is not possible without interruption. At the moment it does not possible at all.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:34 am
by dallas
Yeah all we really need is a spectral history feature.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:35 am
by shahbazian
+1 for spectral scan, tx power control and non standard channel width.
a total step back for mikrotik from being a leader offering spectrum analysis when many vendors do not offer it.

now that spectrum analysis is a common feature offered by many vendors mikrotik decide to left this feature out.


sincerely is hard to understand mikrotik strategy
This is major feature of MikroTik RouterOS wireless devices. Please resolve this quandary.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:43 am
by wavemich
Any updates on spectral scan?

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:41 pm
by dallas
+1 on that question. We need a spectral history to make sure we are not too close to something.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:41 am
by ochyst
It looks like we can implement Spectral Scan on existing devices, but it will take some time. It is on our to-do list
Its is on your to-do list from 12/2014, its a very long time and we need this feature.
No answer here, no answer to [Ticket#2015092466000985] with same question from 24.9.2015 :(

Hey, Guys, I know, that you had a MUM, but your answer is necessary!!!

At MUM 03/2015 Prague Uldis told me, that ss (spectral scan) on ac chipset will be first thing, which will be implemented about next 3 months, next will be implemented support for custom frq for chipsets AR93xx and all newer one!

Go On, hear for some time ISPes. Mikrotik Go ON! You products is beautifle BUT......

It seems, that you will must release the new version of dude, because its seems to be a hard problem to reproduce your very beautiful thinks to new chipsets!

Do you affraid to release new (old) features for ISP or There Is another problem?
I had a true, dude is reborn and spectral scan will be implmented for some months. I hope, that I will have a true in this again. ;)

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:20 am
by dallas
I would rather have the spectral scan over the dude first.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 2:46 pm
by alexap
hopefully soon get the spectrum analyzer to the AC teams mikrotik, I join the request.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 4:14 pm
by gius64
Spectrum analyzer is a must for a wireless device!

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 4:30 pm
by taduikis
Spectrum analyzer is a must for a wireless device!
That's the reason I'm not upgrading to NetMetal5 or RB922 yet. I'd do that instantly if they had spectral history feature..

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 5:09 pm
by dallas
I agree that the metal5 needs a spectrum analyzer. I have bought a lot of them and still are buying them. They are incredible. Even going through trees they work very well. Over 200Mbps tcp 1 connection easy.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 3:00 pm
by alexap
upgrade to the 6.34rc and still not working the spectrum analyzer.
this list when this function?

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:32 pm
by dallas
I thought they said 7.x

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 8:24 pm
by boardman
Mikrotik, Any comments?

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2016 12:13 am
by dallas
Mikrotik can I beta test the spectral tool?

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2016 1:02 am
by boardman
Chirp chirp chirp .... Mikrotik anything to say ?

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 4:47 pm
by dallas
Looks like routeros 7 should be coming very soon. Please, at least get spectral history working for AC. I want to start converting whole network to AC once its out. Not just for backhauls.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 3:49 pm
by server8
Looks like routeros 7 should be coming very soon. Please, at least get spectral history working for AC. I want to start converting whole network to AC once its out. Not just for backhauls.
I hope to see with ROS 7 gps sync and NV3 :-)

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:40 am
by nkourtzis
Looks like routeros 7 should be coming very soon. Please, at least get spectral history working for AC. I want to start converting whole network to AC once its out. Not just for backhauls.
If you are wishing for 7.x in order to use spectral scan, think again. If and when 7.x comes out, it being Mikrotik, will take at least a solid year of development until the major bugs are ironed out. So, the early adopters, will probably have spectral, but will also face issues that will most probably outweigh the spectral scan joy.

Same goes for tx power control (Jesus Mikrotik guys, it's elementary!).

For me, if (and when) these features get implemented in 7.x, Mikrotik should seriously try to backport them to the now mature 6.x also, if possible.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:36 pm
by dallas
I will absolutely beta test for them if they get spectral history.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 6:06 pm
by paams
Hello there! I am new to try out Mikrotik based spectral scan. Could any body here please let me assist and/or give tutorial how to read this spectral scan? I am a bit confused how to get the info whats going on with this spectral pattern Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 6:17 pm
by dallas
Mikrotik dont support 802.11ac spectral scan yet. Check out the wiki. Its really easy. wiki.mikrotik.com

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 11:47 pm
by ochyst
So, MikroTik, any progress??? The time must come NOW, we waiting for very long time!

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 11:51 pm
by dallas
Yes we definitely need it now. I would like to buy a minimum order of 2000 devices now if we get that feature. Any many more once they are installed. I am holding off for customer radios because we must be able to spectrum analyze. Or be assured if I spend the money we will get the spectrum tool.

Mikrotik Got beta I can try???

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Fri May 27, 2016 12:11 am
by taduikis
Yeah, it's a bit annoying. We've upgraded lots of APs to NetMetal5 for AC, so lost ability to do spectral scans. For installations in some busy places I keep buying good old RB912s just for that feature.. :/

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 9:23 pm
by Quicksivler
Yeah, it's a bit annoying. We've upgraded lots of APs to NetMetal5 for AC, so lost ability to do spectral scans. For installations in some busy places I keep buying good old RB912s just for that feature.. :/
Same here... all our network is ac. ... but we still have metal grooves up on each hub site to be able to do a spectral scan... it's not a perfect scan but it work.

Did I read right and with the new wireless-rep package we can do online scans? Or did I just misinterpret? Of course this doesn't fix the ax scan problem but it is a feature other manufacturers have and would be useful

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 7:07 am
by alexkulik
we have 3 issues (and counting) with ac equipment:

no 10mhz channel
no spectral scan
no tx power control
+1 spectral scan
+1 tx power control

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:36 am
by kristaps
You can set TX power, at all rate fixed by 1dBm increments, You only cannot see those values. 

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:07 pm
by taduikis
I was going to write that. You can in fact set the tx-power, no problem. But ability to see tx-power value table as before would be nice.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:06 pm
by dallas
Its time for spectral history guys. Do you have a ETA on it?

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:12 pm
by honzam
You only cannot see those values. 
But why?

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:17 pm
by dallas
Lets stick to spectral topic.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 1:34 am
by dallas
I got high hopes for Mikrotik to complete this project.  Cant wait for version 7 to come out and check for the AC spectral scan!

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:16 am
by orangetek
I got fed up waiting for mikrotik to implement this so i replaced a multihop link with 4 powerbeam AC 400's and never looked back. I'm getting over 110 mbits/sec end to end with a single tcp stream and 3ms latency @20mhz channel width v8beta14. In fact, it's so good, i'm getting ready to replace my whole network of 500+ customers. In this day and age, spectrum analysis is necessity, not a luxury especially with AC gear. Why mikrotik didn't implement this before releasing AC is beyond me. Somebody needs to get fired if you ask me. Very bad decision. 

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 9:42 am
by blue
I don't like to dig up old topic, but why are MTK guys waiting on spectral scan implementation?

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 10:36 pm
by boardman
Chirp .... Chirp ..... Chirp ......

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 10:49 pm
by dallas
Yeah, I am holding on but starting to buy other products, not because I want to but because we are outgrowing this product. If it had this feature I could keep on it. We will still use it in some areas.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 5:00 pm
by rtacheny
RB6.37 RC with wireless package, still no spectral history. Will probably join others in abandoning MikroTik. This feature is a necessity.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 5:11 pm
by boardman
RB6.37 RC with wireless package, still no spectral history. Will probably join others in abandoning MikroTik. This feature is a necessity.
Me too.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:06 pm
by blue
Still no news about this?

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 1:54 am
by blue
Can't wait for v7 to come and bring us this glorious tool :)

I will be banned for spamming :)

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 4:45 am
by Squidblacklist
With 80mhz we need a spectrum analyzer. When can we have this feature. Its hard to find the best channel if we cant look. I use spectral scan all the time. Its so important.
LOL yeah but you know as well as I do, as soon as your competitor changes channels your gunna be right back out there on a service call,

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 6:01 am
by mducharme
Although this doesn't help most people with this issue, the hAP AC (full, not lite) can do spectral scan w/AC. (Therefore it seems the lack of the function is something to do with the chip itself rather than whether it is AC or N)

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 6:18 am
by dallas
Well that's cool

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 6:47 am
by mducharme
It looks like the newer outdoor devices (NetMetal, SXT ac) use almost the same chip as the hAP AC full (just one model different, QCA9557 vs QCA9558). Perhaps MikroTik has silently added the feature to all the models that use this chip series? It might require a firmware upgrade as well. I am running 6.37.1 with the latest RB firmware, 3.34 for the model I am using.

(I know someone who has the hAP AC lite and this feature does NOT work on the lite. However the lite uses a very different chip than the full, whereas the NetMetal and SXT are just one model off)

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 7:55 am
by dallas
Well, I know one thing for sure. Mikrotik will have a surprise for us. The new 6.37 has super fast wireless. With only 2 chains I can put 1 connection tcp at 300Mbps. Udp is over 400Mbps. This is a four-mile link. Nice work mikrotik.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:00 am
by ste
Well, I know one thing for sure. Mikrotik will have a surprise for us. The new 6.37 has super fast wireless. With only 2 chains I can put 1 connection tcp at 300Mbps. Udp is over 400Mbps. This is a four-mile link. Nice work mikrotik.
Which routerboard? nstreme or nv2? Did you test ptmp?

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2016 9:31 am
by server8
6.37.1 seems to works little better also in PtMP scenario TDMA period size=auto 20 Mhz channel high noise enviroment

I hope Dallas words is not wrong and we can see soon spectral scan and gps synchronization :D

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:56 pm
by sup5
Although this doesn't help most people with this issue, the hAP AC (full, not lite) can do spectral scan w/AC. (Therefore it seems the lack of the function is something to do with the chip itself rather than whether it is AC or N)
This only works with the 2.4 GHz WLAN interface.
It doesn't work with the 5 GHz WLAN interface.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:41 pm
by jondavy
here in my business I downloaded all the MikroTik devices with AC because without the spectrum analyzer is unfeasible be used, it would be like driving with blindfolded, how to know the right channel?

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:19 am
by jarda
You can guess and try according to the wireless snooper.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 1:36 am
by jondavy
You can guess and try according to the wireless snooper.
just that's the problem, here in my city the spectrum is very polluted and the snooper is very limited, as it has many here who use 3,5,8,10,30,60,80,160mhz of channel-width with owners protocols often are not detected by the snooper, and every week I have to monitor the spectrum, so I downloaded all mantbox and other AC devices and put back the old equipment

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 1:44 am
by jarda
I know that. Therefore I wrote "guess and try". But anyway you cannot effectively use ac in such environment. It is a big shame that spectral scan is still missing at ac devices. I have nothing more to add to it.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 1:40 pm
by alexap
any news?

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:45 am
by blue
No news. Waiting for v7 (waiting for Godot) :)

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 3:53 pm
by honzam
Any official answer from Mikrotik?
Wait for V7 or?

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 4:39 pm
by dallas
The real reason we need a spectral history is to is to see if we need to move our backhaul or AP antenna away from the interference.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:31 pm
by blue
We are waiting more than 2 years for spectral scan :(

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:49 pm
by honzam
We are waiting more than 2 years for spectral scan :(
And still nothing :-(

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:52 pm
by mistry7
This is what i am saying about 2 years ago,
Wireless is Not Longer the Main thing for Mikrotik.

Why they offer Omnitik AC about 3 years later den SXT AC?
Why we have no spectral Scan in AC devices
Why there is no 802.11ad SXT or Somthing Else?

They Put all there Manpower in Routing like CCR and CHR and they offer more an more Low-Cost devices, like HAP Lite, like LHG (Why this Client is Not AC with Fast-Ethernet like SXT Lite 5ac?)



Mistry7

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:33 pm
by blue
Ubiquiti slayed Mikrotik with affordable wifi devices. Maybe that is the reason ubnt have working spectral scan with same hardware - two years ago...

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:27 pm
by mistry7
Right, and Why Ignite have 802.11ad outdoor System, build with a 802.11ad USB3 Modul?
There is free spectrum, It is easy to Build GBit Links over 800-1000m

Spectral Scan seems to be unimportant for Mikrotik

Why RF Elements is selling there Horn Antenna so often? Interference are the Main reason, and we have no spectral Scan to see the interference.

Mistry7

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 5:25 am
by facuxt
any news? i recently bought six dynadishes to make ptp links and discovered this awfull truth!!!! moving to another brand?

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:28 pm
by mistry7
any news? i recently bought six dynadishes to make ptp links and discovered this awfull truth!!!! moving to another brand?
Seems to be The only way
Mikrotik did not answer, so we Never see this features

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:18 pm
by jondavy
2 years later waiting..
Here I removed all the APs and AC stations and put the N equipment and when necessary I happened to use other brands (I am seriously thinking of changing everything to another brand, because I need more througtput),
Because 2 years later mikrotik AC technology does not work properly, power, spectrum among other functions

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:27 pm
by blue
Still no news?

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:14 pm
by server8
Mikrotik is so far from competitor cambium is on another planet: remote spectral scan on client, gps sync, ecc and Ubiquiti is very close to do gps sync....

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:30 am
by jo2jo
I really hope im missing something, but after seeing the potential of /int wire spectral-scan on some of our slightly older MT equipment (ie hAPac and Sextants) , we just deployed 12 x new OmniTik5 AC poe's (48v poe ones, not the older OmniTik 5ghz) For a client, and i went to run (6.39.2) :

/int wire spectral-scan wlan1-5g
failure: this device can not do spectral scan

??? is this true on this new device? (is it the AR9888 cant HW support it? then if so why was this radio used for such a new product?)

any info would help, thanks!

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:52 am
by mistry7
We hope it is one internal Road Map for Mikrotik, but we know nothing.
What we know is, that it is not working with all Mikrotik AC Equipment

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:51 am
by iRakic
Any official update from Mikrotik on AC spectral scan?

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:12 pm
by ajack46
No news as of yet.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:30 pm
by honzam
Sad is that Mikrotik is silent. :( No official statement since 2014

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 2:08 am
by tsouzar
Come on, MikroTik, this is URGENT!

Stop wasting time adding new non-important features and fix Spectral Scan now!
Your 802.11ac devices are useless in heavy noise environments until this is solved. 3 years and nothing yet...

Or maybe you should send your engineers to spend some hours picking clean channels for every customer on the world. In this case, I expect an engineer here this Monday and won't pay for it. PM me and I will send address. :evil:

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:44 am
by jo2jo
I agree we still really need this , esp. on some of the latest RB hardware / products it's surprising it's not still supported.

Even an expected date or some kind of official comment would be helpful.
Thanks

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:07 pm
by 2jarek
+99
Get fired wifi / radio team now & employ new.... It's disgusting. 3 years ago upgraded base stations & waste lots of money. Mikrotik AC spectral scan & nstreme for ac not exists still must use 802.11 N mode.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:25 pm
by mistry7
Mikrotik has not focus on Wisp Outdoor Devices any longer

Why we See new SXTsq as a/n device until other releases AC Wave 2 devices?
It is the Same with spectral Scan.

802.11ad is announced But i did Not believe we See this devices in 2017

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:02 pm
by rtacheny
The issue isn't with Mikrotik's programming capabilities. Unfortunately they are choosing to be tight lipped as to why this feature is absent. Qualcomm realized how important this feature was and started limiting it's support in their chipsets to more expensive chips that are for "enterprise".

In short Mikrotik decided to keep costs down and pad profits by using the chips that do not include this feature. If this ever changes, you will have to buy new equipment anyways. Stop waiting, vote with your wallet and jump the ship. Mikrotik is so far behind in the wireless market.

Either that, or someone from Mikrotik can get their butt's in here and tell us/add support for these features in a Compex or JJPlus card and you can start using M11Gs.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:54 pm
by didomir
The issue isn't with Mikrotik's programming capabilities. Unfortunately they are choosing to be tight lipped as to why this feature is absent. Qualcomm realized how important this feature was and started limiting it's support in their chipsets to more expensive chips that are for "enterprise".

In short Mikrotik decided to keep costs down and pad profits by using the chips that do not include this feature. If this ever changes, you will have to buy new equipment anyways. Stop waiting, vote with your wallet and jump the ship. Mikrotik is so far behind in the wireless market.

Either that, or someone from Mikrotik can get their butt's in here and tell us/add support for these features in a Compex or JJPlus card and you can start using M11Gs.
@rtacheny,based on your experience, where to look for good AP's/WiFi devices that deliver better results ? Probably I'm going to use MT devices for routing only, at least till MT get back into expected level.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:23 am
by iRakic
If chipsets are the problem, then why Mikrotik is not offering us the choice to buy an AC product with a chipset that supports spectral scan. I'm sure most ISPs will gladly pay for it.

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:43 am
by blue
Every time I got a "topic reply notification" I hope that someone from Mikrotik have some gret news. But sadly, this waiting is killing me :(

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:11 am
by mistry7
Every time I got a "topic reply notification" I hope that someone from Mikrotik have some gret news. But sadly, this waiting is killing me :(
There is only one advice at the moment if your Wireless is working in noisy invoirement, don't by Mikrotik AC Products!

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:16 am
by jarda
Or just opt out of the notifications from this thread...

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:55 pm
by KentornoS
Mikrotik, what about this model - https://mikrotik.com/product/lhg_5_ac ? Does it have spectral history? I see non-atheros chip used in it: IPQ-4018-0-180DRQFN-MT-00-0

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:29 am
by mistry7
IPQ is Atheros-Qualcomm.........
And i have SXTsq AC here with IPQ4018
no spectral scan......

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=128310#p632411

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:48 am
by KentornoS
IPQ is Atheros-Qualcomm.........
And i have SXTsq AC here with IPQ4018
no spectral scan......

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=128310#p632411
Ok thanks, looks like mikrotik ignoring obvious basic requirements for the modern equuipment to make it cheaper. The most nearest competitor has spectral scan in all AC devices + able to do live spectral scan. Have to stay with N equipment but really time to start looking for something modern from competitors (and very sad about that)

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:19 pm
by stratonetworks
IMHO, the fact than Mikrotik do no talk about this, do not announce any plan about this is very negative fot MK, beacuse a lot of clients are having decisions migrating some equipments to other maker, in the absence of solutions about this and other issues (openvpn over udp, gps sync and lot of them).

If we knew some plans (positive or negative) about this questions we have the position to wait or not for this solutions, but the long silence for plans of any type is frustrating.

In own case, we bet strongly for MK years ago, but lastly we are switching some solutions for other makers to our regret

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:42 pm
by honzam
Ok thanks, looks like mikrotik ignoring obvious basic requirements for the modern equuipment to make it cheaper. The most nearest competitor has spectral scan in all AC devices + able to do live spectral scan. Have to stay with N equipment but really time to start looking for something modern from competitors (and very sad about that)
Sadly, we have been solving it since 2014.... :(
Now mikrotik have 802.11AC wave2 chip in LHG5ac and sxtsq AC. But the problem persists in new hardware.... :(

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:57 am
by dmingo
Spectral scan is supported

For ath10k/AR98xx based cards, use:

ip link set dev wlan0 up
echo background > /sys/kernel/debug/ieee80211/phy0/ath10k/spectral_scan_ctl
echo trigger > /sys/kernel/debug/ieee80211/phy0/ath10k/spectral_scan_ctl
iw dev wlan0 scan
echo disable > /sys/kernel/debug/ieee80211/phy0/ath10k/spectral_scan_ctl
cat /sys/kernel/debug/ieee80211/phy0/ath10k/spectral_scan0 > samples

Source https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/use ... ctral_scan

Re: 802.11ac spectral scan

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:23 pm
by honzam
We know about ath10k features, we are using our own wireless driver, where this implementation isn't as straight forward as on ath10k
Best regards,
Antons B.
Mikrotik